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irv 11-05-2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2160746)
I know people love Free Bird, but I always though it was awful and a rip off sort of of Stairway.

Lynyrd Skynyrd is likely my favorite band, or next to Led Zeppelin, and although I love Free Bird, I rarely have the patience anymore to listen to it in its entirety.

My wife and I seen them a few years ago. (Obviously, not the original band) They put on a really good concert, and of course played Free Bird to cap the night off. Listening to it live and knowing it was the last song of the night, (their encore) however, made me wished the song never ended. :D

GasHouseGang 11-05-2021 11:49 AM

1975 interview with Lynyrd Skynyrd (the original band members). One minute into the interview they are asked about the band's name. Check it out on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep15rFi6rMQ

I tend to believe this story since it was repeated so many times over the years.

mcgwirecom 11-05-2021 02:37 PM

So the OP called it "awful songs you can't get enough of". But really they are mostly great songs that you don't want to admit you like. A lot of these I have on my iPhone But in keeping with what everyone is posting I will submit Anne Murray's Snowbird. I also am a closet ABBA fan.

Jim65 11-05-2021 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by edtiques (Post 2160325)

Another nomination for a bad song, "They're coming to take me away ha-haaa" by Napoleon XIV.

https://youtu.be/3Fn36l_z3WY

I had the 45 as a kid, I remember the flip side was the same song but played backwards.

mark evans 11-05-2021 06:58 PM

I guess off-topic because the following are excellent songs IMO. I would distinguish rock and roll from ballads. Free Bird in my mind is a classic rock song but I'm partial to Southern rock. The other song I would cite among rock classics is Can't You See by the Marshall Tucker Band. I saw the original band in Maryland in the 70s -- excellent.

My favorite ballad would be Adele's Someone Like You. For me, it replaced Will You Love Me Tomorrow by the Shirelles which I bought as a 45 in 1960 when a ten-year old.

All above available on YouTube.

BobC 11-05-2021 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 2160895)
1975 interview with Lynyrd Skynyrd (the original band members). One minute into the interview they are asked about the band's name. Check it out on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep15rFi6rMQ

I tend to believe this story since it was repeated so many times over the years.

Well, check out the Netflix documentary also if you can. It mentions both the name from the Allie Sherman song, and the high school teacher, being sources for the name.

irv 11-06-2021 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mark evans (Post 2161044)
I guess off-topic because the following are excellent songs IMO. I would distinguish rock and roll from ballads. Free Bird in my mind is a classic rock song but I'm partial to Southern rock. The other song I would cite among rock classics is Can't You See by the Marshall Tucker Band. I saw the original band in Maryland in the 70s -- excellent.

My favorite ballad would be Adele's Someone Like You. For me, it replaced Will You Love Me Tomorrow by the Shirelles which I bought as a 45 in 1960 when a ten-year old.

All above available on YouTube.

I love Southern Rock as well. Years ago some friends of mine got to see Lynryd Skynryd, 38 Special, Molly Hatchet, The Outlaws and I believe another band or 2 at a concert in Gainesville Florida. When they told me this, I thought what a concert to be at! When my wife and I went to see Lynryd Skynryd, 38 Special opened up but our train was delayed so we missed every bit of them but the last song :(. Thankfully, however, we got see an excellent show put on by ZZ Top but since I had never seen 38 Special before live, I was disappointed. Would have loved to see the Marshall Tucker Band!

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2161059)
Well, check out the Netflix documentary also if you can. It mentions both the name from the Allie Sherman song, and the high school teacher, being sources for the name.

Bob, if you don't mind, what is the name of the documentary? I have seen a couple but I do know Artimus was coming out with one a year or more ago that I never seen so I am curious if the one you speak of is his?

BobC 11-06-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2161124)
Bob, if you don't mind, what is the name of the documentary? I have seen a couple but I do know Artimus was coming out with one a year or more ago that I never seen so I am curious if the one you speak of is his?

It is titled 'If I Leave Here Tomorrow - A Film About Lynyrd Skynyrd'. Shows it having a 2018 release date, so I don't believe it is the same one you are looking for, though it does include clips and interviews with Artimus Pyle. It is fairly comprehensive, starting all the way back when they were just kids growing up in Jacksonville, playing sandlot baseball and hanging out. It goes through the history of the band, and all the personnel issues and changes, from their high school days and playing as The One Percent, through the fatal crash in 1977. There's also a slight follow-up on the group's continuance after the crash, but the gist is all the details of the group through the crash. A lot of greats clips and voice recordings of most all the groups members, including a lot of Ronnie Van Zant, and wonderful archival footage from interviws and performances. There's also a lot of scenes throughout the film with then present day clips of Gary Rossington talking about the band's history and the numerous members, along with him making present day visits to old sites and locations in the group's history, including a visit to Ronnie's grave. One thing that surprised me was how so few members of the band that survived the crash, or weren't even involved in it, are still with us today.

From reading this thread, it got me reinterested, and I ended up watching the entire film again last night. Well done film/documentary and worth the time to watch, even if you're not an over-the-top Skynyrd fan. And of course, as you would expect, they end the film with the band live on stage doing their long, extended climax ending to 'Freebird'.

Peter_Spaeth 11-06-2021 01:24 PM

The lyrics always sounded to me like one big long cliché lol.

BobC 11-06-2021 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2161300)
The lyrics always sounded to me like one big long cliché lol.

They say in the film/documentary I referenced that they wrote their songs for simple, blue collar people. Peter, you're too intellectual and sophisticated to get it. :D

Peter_Spaeth 11-06-2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2161341)
They say in the film/documentary I referenced that they wrote their songs for simple, blue collar people. Peter, you're too intellectual and sophisticated to get it. :D

Simple Man, perhaps ironically, had much better lyrics.

BobC 11-06-2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2161349)
Simple Man, perhaps ironically, had much better lyrics.

LOL

Well played sir, well played! :)

irv 11-07-2021 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2161294)
It is titled 'If I Leave Here Tomorrow - A Film About Lynyrd Skynyrd'. Shows it having a 2018 release date, so I don't believe it is the same one you are looking for, though it does include clips and interviews with Artimus Pyle. It is fairly comprehensive, starting all the way back when they were just kids growing up in Jacksonville, playing sandlot baseball and hanging out. It goes through the history of the band, and all the personnel issues and changes, from their high school days and playing as The One Percent, through the fatal crash in 1977. There's also a slight follow-up on the group's continuance after the crash, but the gist is all the details of the group through the crash. A lot of greats clips and voice recordings of most all the groups members, including a lot of Ronnie Van Zant, and wonderful archival footage from interviws and performances. There's also a lot of scenes throughout the film with then present day clips of Gary Rossington talking about the band's history and the numerous members, along with him making present day visits to old sites and locations in the group's history, including a visit to Ronnie's grave. One thing that surprised me was how so few members of the band that survived the crash, or weren't even involved in it, are still with us today.

From reading this thread, it got me reinterested, and I ended up watching the entire film again last night. Well done film/documentary and worth the time to watch, even if you're not an over-the-top Skynyrd fan. And of course, as you would expect, they end the film with the band live on stage doing their long, extended climax ending to 'Freebird'.

I seen that one a couple years ago but I honestly forget the reference to that song that may have helped them choose their name.

I also don't know if Artimus Pyle's doc was ever released? IIRC, Ronnie's wife, who is in charge of, (or was) of Lynrynd Skynyrd enterprises was trying to stop it from being released.
I also remember, I believe in the doc you mentioned, that a lot of bandmates don't like Artimus any more.
I believe it had to do with his story about allegedly running for help after the plane crash and the rest of the bandmates saying that is bullshit, he was just looking out for himself, or something along those lines?

BobC 11-07-2021 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2161489)
I seen that one a couple years ago but I honestly forget the reference to that song that may have helped them choose their name.

I also don't know if Artimus Pyle's doc was ever released? IIRC, Ronnie's wife, who is in charge of, (or was) of Lynrynd Skynyrd enterprises was trying to stop it from being released.
I also remember, I believe in the doc you mentioned, that a lot of bandmates don't like Artimus any more.
I believe it had to do with his story about allegedly running for help after the plane crash and the rest of the bandmates saying that is bullshit, he was just looking out for himself, or something along those lines?

One of the beauties of Netflx is that you can go in and out of anything and fast forward/backward to any spot in the show. You can go into the film/documentary and find where Bill Burns is starting to talk about the Camp Granada song aroung the 9:20 mark in the film. They much later on near the end of the film go into the events and details of the crash, with Rossington doing most of the talking. Around the 1:28:50 mark of the film Pyle starts talking about waking up and seeing his friends bleeding and dying, so barefoot and with chest injuries he takes off into the woods looking for a farm house or someone to get help for everyone. And that was all that was said about it in this film. There was no mention of other band members hating him after that for having taken off from the crash site. At least not in this documentary film by Showtime.

irv 11-08-2021 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2161769)
One of the beauties of Netflx is that you can go in and out of anything and fast forward/backward to any spot in the show. You can go into the film/documentary and find where Bill Burns is starting to talk about the Camp Granada song aroung the 9:20 mark in the film. They much later on near the end of the film go into the events and details of the crash, with Rossington doing most of the talking. Around the 1:28:50 mark of the film Pyle starts talking about waking up and seeing his friends bleeding and dying, so barefoot and with chest injuries he takes off into the woods looking for a farm house or someone to get help for everyone. And that was all that was said about it in this film. There was no mention of other band members hating him after that for having taken off from the crash site. At least not in this documentary film by Showtime.

It must have been in another doc or one of the numerous interviews with the bandmates.
Here is a clip of Artimus talking about Judy and her attempts at stopping the film and how he was basically shunned from the band.
I recall watching something with Gary Rossington and another band member specifically talking about Artimus and how they don't like him nor do they believe his story about seeking help after the plane crash.
Not sure I'll be able to find anymore, however?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xKtZN5Kog0

In this clip, Gary talks about it near the very end. Sounds like he forgives him now and just wants to move on but he does mention the riff, or whatever it was after the 10 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBHjU1gMxrA

"Why Artimus Plye isn't part of Lynyrd Skynyrd's farwell tour"
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/arti...nterview-2020/

BobC 11-08-2021 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2161817)
It must have been in another doc or one of the numerous interviews with the bandmates.
Here is a clip of Artimus talking about Judy and her attempts at stopping the film and how he was basically shunned from the band.
I recall watching something with Gary Rossington and another band member specifically talking about Artimus and how they don't like him nor do they believe his story about seeking help after the plane crash.
Not sure I'll be able to find anymore, however?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xKtZN5Kog0

In this clip, Gary talks about it near the very end. Sounds like he forgives him now and just wants to move on but he does mention the riff, or whatever it was after the 10 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBHjU1gMxrA

"Why Artimus Plye isn't part of Lynyrd Skynyrd's farwell tour"
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/arti...nterview-2020/

Funny, but everything I was seeing in your clips sounded more like it had to do with Judy Van Zant taking control of everything, and her and the management company taking and not sharing any money with band members like Artimus. Kind of hard to believe Pyle and Rossington are about the only two pre-crash band members still around. The one clip you attached talked about two members of the band's road crew even following Pyle as he left the crash site to go looking for help. And how when Pyle finally came upon a nearby farmer, the guy actually shot him. So that doesn't sound like the rest of the band was necessarily pissed at him for going to get help. More like because of his vocal comments against Judy for controlling things and taking his and other band member's money, and then for all the lawsuits and legal actions she brought against him when he went to do his own movie and book. Lot of different moving parts to this puzzle it sounds like.

irv 11-09-2021 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2162153)
Funny, but everything I was seeing in your clips sounded more like it had to do with Judy Van Zant taking control of everything, and her and the management company taking and not sharing any money with band members like Artimus. Kind of hard to believe Pyle and Rossington are about the only two pre-crash band members still around. The one clip you attached talked about two members of the band's road crew even following Pyle as he left the crash site to go looking for help. And how when Pyle finally came upon a nearby farmer, the guy actually shot him. So that doesn't sound like the rest of the band was necessarily pissed at him for going to get help. More like because of his vocal comments against Judy for controlling things and taking his and other band member's money, and then for all the lawsuits and legal actions she brought against him when he went to do his own movie and book. Lot of different moving parts to this puzzle it sounds like.

Well, read into what you will, but I know in the vid I seen, Gary and another bandmate totally disagree with Artimus's story.
In this vid, not the one I am referring to, Gary also talks of it at the 11:00 minute mark onward but yet near the end of this video, the farmer says he ran into Artimus so it makes Gary's story seem fabricated/untrue and was said, as Artimus stated, just to hurt him.
You'll also hear in the vid where the farmer denies shooting at Artimus but I know Artimus has stuck with that story over the years so who do you believe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIkQjDtwOw

Lots of ugly going on, or was, with this band, but that seems to be the norm with a lot of big bands that have been together for a lot of years.

Lies, he said, she said, innuendo's, conjecture, and all sorts of different takes on the stories so it's highly unlikely you me or anyone else will ever be able to figure things out.

It's sad it came to this, but like I said above, not entirely out of the norm for these big bands.

frankbmd 11-09-2021 08:59 AM

Well, I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison
And I went to pick her up in the rain
But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train
:D

from the perfect Country and Western Song

Peter_Spaeth 11-09-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2162264)
Well, I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison
And I went to pick her up in the rain
But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train
:D

from the perfect Country and Western Song

Great line but not as great IMO as
I shot a man in Reno
Just to watch him die

BobC 11-10-2021 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2162238)
Well, read into what you will, but I know in the vid I seen, Gary and another bandmate totally disagree with Artimus's story.
In this vid, not the one I am referring to, Gary also talks of it at the 11:00 minute mark onward but yet near the end of this video, the farmer says he ran into Artimus so it makes Gary's story seem fabricated/untrue and was said, as Artimus stated, just to hurt him.
You'll also hear in the vid where the farmer denies shooting at Artimus but I know Artimus has stuck with that story over the years so who do you believe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIkQjDtwOw

Lots of ugly going on, or was, with this band, but that seems to be the norm with a lot of big bands that have been together for a lot of years.

Lies, he said, she said, innuendo's, conjecture, and all sorts of different takes on the stories so it's highly unlikely you me or anyone else will ever be able to figure things out.

It's sad it came to this, but like I said above, not entirely out of the norm for these big bands.


Strange story for sure. The actual truth is probably somewhere in the middle. And as Artimus alludes to, I wouldn't be surprised if money has a prominent role somewhere in all this.

Leon 11-10-2021 08:40 AM

My Sharona....

Ooh my little pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona

Peter_Spaeth 11-10-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2162600)
My Sharona....

Ooh my little pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona

See post 3. :D

Michael B 11-11-2021 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2160753)
Have always heard the allegations, but actually like 'Freebird'.

Now if you want to talk ripoff, lets look at Bowie's 'Under Pressure' and Vanilla Ice's 'Ice, Ice, Baby'. I read somewhere that they got away with that by adding an extra note or beat to the baseline, or something like that.

And if you want to talk about bad songs you can't get out of your head, anyone remember the Banana Splits theme song!?!?!?

"Under Pressure" is a Queen song featuring David Bowie. Vanilla Ice did sample the song and has admitted it. No extra bass line note. He did lose in court, but purportedly purchased the rights to the song. Queen and Bowie were given writing credits for "Ice, Ice Baby"

Michael B 11-11-2021 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TUM301 (Post 2160816)
"Yes I Like Pina Coladas, Getting caught in the Rain".......

Rupert Holmes, the singer of "Escape" aka The Piña Colada song wrote and played piano on 'Timothy' by The Buoys which is mentioned in another post.

Michael B 11-11-2021 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 2159286)
In a similar vein, for me it's "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies.

One of the greatest bubblegum pop songs of all time. It was written by Jeff Barry and Andy Kim. Barry also co-wrote 'Da Doo Run Run', 'Doo Wah Diddy Diddy', 'Be My Baby' and 'Chapel of Love' among others. Andy Kim had a solo hit with "Rock Me Gently". They were back up singers on the Archies' songs. Barry was Jugheads voice for the songs in the cartoons. Other backup singers were:

Bobby Bloom of 'Montego Bay' fame. He also co-wrote "Mony Mony' for Tommy James.

Ritchie Adams who co-wrote "Tossin' and Turnin'" and the Banana Splits theme 'The Tra La La Song' (One Banana, Two Banana).

Ellie Greenwich who co-wrote with Jeff Barry the songs noted above.

The lead singer was Ron Dante. His true claim to fame is as Barry Manilow's longtime producer. Also a very nice person. I talked with him at one of the Chiller Theatre Shows in New Jersey.

Peter_Spaeth 11-11-2021 09:45 AM

Be My Baby -- a truly great song. Ronnie Spector had one of the best voices in pop history IMO.

BobC 11-11-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael B (Post 2162874)
"Under Pressure" is a Queen song featuring David Bowie. Vanilla Ice did sample the song and has admitted it. No extra bass line note. He did lose in court, but purportedly purchased the rights to the song. Queen and Bowie were given writing credits for "Ice, Ice Baby"

Thanks for clarifying and correcting me. I always think just of Bowie with that song, and not Queen, for some reason. Never heard about that final legal outcome. I may mistakenly have been thinking of some other past copyright case and got Vanilla Ice's song in my head.

steve B 11-19-2021 11:48 AM

Along the sort of novelty line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyJSetm6U0k

They did get the guitar player from Blue Oyster Cult to do this song.

mark evans 11-19-2021 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2162964)
Be My Baby -- a truly great song. Ronnie Spector had one of the best voices in pop history IMO.

Agreed. How about 'Oh No, Not My Baby' by Maxine Brown?

pawpawdiv9 11-20-2021 01:31 PM

david bowie /ziggy stardust
when they play either of the these, it stays in my head
1. (w/queen)- Under Pressure
2. Space Oddity
3. Fame
4. Changes

As far as Queen--
1. Bohemian Raphshody

frankbmd 11-22-2021 04:22 PM

If it hasn’t already been mentioned, Shirley Ellis and The Name Game certainly is threadworthy.

Shirley Shirley Bo Birley, bonana fanna fo firley, fee fy mo Mirley, Shirley

Repeat ad nauseum using any name

Peter_Spaeth 11-22-2021 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2167077)
If it hasn’t already been mentioned, Shirley Ellis and The Name Game certainly is threadworthy.

Shirley Shirley Bo Birley, bonana fanna fo firley, fee fy mo Mirley, Shirley

Repeat ad nauseum using any name

Chuck?

BobC 11-23-2021 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2167135)
Chuck?

LOL

And again, figures you'd be the first to go there. :)

tschock 11-23-2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2167135)
Chuck?

LOL. Or the PG version, a fave among 6 year olds.... Bart.

tschock 11-23-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2167077)
If it hasn’t already been mentioned, Shirley Ellis and The Name Game certainly is threadworthy.

Shirley Shirley Bo Birley, bonana fanna fo firley, fee fy mo Mirley, Shirley

Repeat ad nauseum using any name

Or the 3 Stooges alphabet song.

B A Bay, B E Be, B I Bicky Bi....

Peter_Spaeth 11-23-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2167261)
LOL

And again, figures you'd be the first to go there. :)

Mitch?

Michael B 11-23-2021 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2167328)
Mitch?

We need to find you a hobby...

BobC 11-23-2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael B (Post 2167382)
We need to find you a hobby...

+ 1,000 to that! :)

Peter_Spaeth 11-23-2021 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2167464)
+ 1,000 to that! :)

(sings)
Bob
Bob
Bo-ob

BobC 11-23-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2167472)
(sings)
Bob
Bob
Bo-ob

You sir, are incorrigible! LOL :p

Snapolit1 11-24-2021 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2162964)
Be My Baby -- a truly great song. Ronnie Spector had one of the best voices in pop history IMO.

Agree 1000%. Probably the crowning glory for crazy Phil Spector. Simply a masterpiece.

With reminds me, almost time to find my Phil Spector Christmas Album. That is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

Peter_Spaeth 11-24-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2167628)
Agree 1000%. Probably the crowning glory for crazy Phil Spector. Simply a masterpiece.

With reminds me, almost time to find my Phil Spector Christmas Album. That is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

I have read that he considered River Deep Mountain High -- with a young Tina Turner -- his best song.

The Ronettes' Walking In The Rain is another Spector gem. If I recall correctly, Marvin Gaye wrote that one. Interestingly, for all Spector's perfectionism and borderline abusive treatment of his singers and musicians until he was satisfied, Ronnie Spector apparently did the lead track in a single take. The vocal is ethereal.

By contrast, Tina said Spector made her sing River Deep Mountain High so many times she was drenched in sweat and had to take her shirt off to finish.

Snapolit1 11-24-2021 12:14 PM

Reportedly Brian Wilson said Be My Baby is the greatest song ever produced.

Peter_Spaeth 11-24-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2167681)
Reportedly Brian Wilson said Be My Baby is the greatest song ever produced.

Seems he was channeling it in Don't Worry Baby.

edtiques 11-29-2021 06:45 AM

.This is an 11:00 minute song called American City Suite by Cashman and West who were writers for Jim Croce:
https://youtu.be/t_sMCCQjvCI

Cashman also had a hit with the song Talkin' Baseball (Willie, Mickey and the Duke).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKA9Zi5-_Y

frankbmd 12-09-2021 06:35 PM

Who put the ram in the rama-lama-ding-dong?

Hawk68 12-26-2021 01:36 PM

Black Betty by Ram Jam


Totally ridiculous song, but strangely infectious.


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