The core four had missed the playoffs the year before, and hadn't made it past the first round since 2004. Unless you're saying that adding a former CYA winner, the AL strikeout leader from the year before, and the league leader in home runs that year was all incidental to their title run. Alex Rodriquez and Hideki Matsui had something to do with that run as well. Then they've bought plenty of players who haven't worked out either, like Carl Pavano, Jacoby Ellsbury, or Kei Igawa. I'm not sure what 'heroes of the moment' has to do with anything; sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle, sometimes you don't, and for each time you do, there are plenty of backup players who were put in the spotlight and wilted. They did a good job drafting and developing the core four, but what put them over the top was the free agent signings. The 87-win 2000 team doesn't make the playoffs without Roger Clemens, and he always turned it up a notch in the postseason.

Quit the bickering.
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And do you want to pick a fight with Rays and Brewers fans?

They are still playing.

Stanton and Cole are playing golf.

Take a punch without the hissy fit.

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You guys are hilarious defending the Rays "small market approach"

You know they are mid pack in terms of market size, right?

And that if they could get free agents they would right?

They do what they do out of necessity since they draw like a minor league team.

And to the guys who rip the Yankees now for spending, fine they are an ez target.

But then you can't rip them when they win??

Whatever works right?

Or you're just bitter and jealous and don't like NY for some reason?

Being bitter and jealous is a great look.

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Some people get off on being dicks. How can you take a guy seriously when he calls himself P Diddy G?

This thread was started by one guy hoping to get the exact reaction he got. Did you really think people wouldn't respond?

What's wrong with spending money to acquire free agents to try to win championships? If an owner is willing to do that, and it's within the rules, is he supposed to say, nah, I'd rather be like the Brewers??

As a Braves fan, I am more than pleased to see anyone take their turn as 'Looserville'- even though there's a book coming out next year on Atlanta's turn.

We sat through some terrible teams -especially right before Bobby Cox came back to stay.


The falcons still belong down there.



I'm sure Cleveland doesn't mind NY taking some of the 'guff' for a while either.


Off the subject, I wish there was a way for both the White Sox AND the Asstrolls could loose their current series.

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Nobody said they couldn't spend. Packs said they didn't win because of the boatload of money they DID lay out for AROD, Matsuey, Sabbathia, Tex, and AJ.

See NYers like to think they win like everyone else, but they don't because they can't win on their own, they MUST OVERSPEND to buy a title.


There is ZERO jealousy, I'd be jealous if their sports teams were all like the '27 Yankees, yes, then I'd be jealous for sure, but the past 20 years? Be jealous of what METS have been garbage, Knicks garbage, Jets trash, etc etc.

That's that NY arrogance they think we are jealous, ha ha....we are just enjoying how bad they suck!

It seems hard to deny that it played an important role.

...and arn't the Mets (3rd Highest Payroll and not even a .500 team over the past 5 seasons) still paying Bobby Bonilla who retired like 20 years ago.

I mean come on. The stupidity of NY, it never ends. It's hilarious!

The Mets can rot forever as payback for 1986 lol. Despite being a Sox fan though I've never truly hated the Yankees, too many admirable players.

They are called deferred contracts, a lot of teams do it, the Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter. I guess Atlanta is stupid too?

Correct. In fact Bonilla is also getting deferred salary from the Baltimore Orioles.

The Mets owed him 5.9 million when they bought out the last year of his contract. The Mets and Bonilla worked out a deal where the he would defer the payment of the 5.9 million for 10 years. Then, the Mets would pay him 1.19 million every year for 20 years. While that sounds like a lot more than the 5.9 million, due to compound interest, etc, the 2 payment scenarios (the 5.9 million right away or the 1.19 million/year after 10 years) have the same value when calculated at 8% interest annually.

The market has increased an average of about 7.4% annually since 1/1/2000.

So, not a bad financial decision.

Mike

The money deferred by Bonilla allowed the Mets to trade for and pay Mike Hampton, who won the NLCS MVP and when Hampton signed in Colorado, the Mets received a compensation draft pick which they used to draft David Wright. Funny how things work out sometimes.

The deferral was not a bad decision, but one could question signing him for all that money in the first place, no?

Hey as long as Mets fans are happy about the financials of the deal rather then the performance of the player that's what matters.

Loveable Losers I guess.

Problem for both New York teams, that gap where they would outspend other teams by 3-4-5-6 times is now gone.

You got Boston, LA, Anaheim, etc., now willing to do the same.

You should get some help. You have serious mental or anger issues with NYC. Your posts come off as unhinged.

Chump teams? Definitely recently.

Chump fans? Hardly. New York fans can be obnoxious aholes, but each of the teams you've mention has a massive motivated fans base. Teams like the Yankees and Mets are among the most valuable sports franchises in the world? Why. Because of heir fanbases.

Many times watching the Mets this year it was clear there were more Mets fans at away games than local team fans. Lets go Mets chants everywhere. Believe me, we don't hear Let's Go Marlins or Let's Go Rockies chants in NY. I was in San Diego and there were 1000s of NYers in attendance who flew cross country (in a continuing pandemic) to cheer their team.

Most (not all players) consider playing in New York an immense career highlight. The fans are passionate beyond belief. Stupidly passionate at times. Tough when you lose but amazing when you win. Look at the 86 Mets documentary. Those guys are sports icons. As are people like Namath, Willis Reed, Jeter, Phil Sims, and many others. NY not for everyone or every player. Hardly chump fans. Like Chicago and Boston fans, highly engaged.

Bonilla's first 3 years with the Met were productive, 130 OPS+

The problem was bringing him back a 2nd time just to dump Mel Rojas.

Honestly, its not my money so I don't care, you brought the subject up. Do you realize many team sign players to deferred contracts or do you only shit on NY teams?

Sorry, what was that? I was just watching the Jets lose, and about to watch the Giants lose.

Then tomorrow I'm gonna watch the 2 teams that left New York (very wise moves) play to most likely decide this years World Series winner.

Thus making it their 5th Title in the last 20 years for 2 teams who left NY to 1 Title for the 2 teams who stayed in NY.

5 is still better then 1 right? I don't know, I'm a little unhinged, and not great at math.

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I only shit on NY teams.

I believe the Mets have the highest Beer and Concession prices as well, so you might want to care.

Unless you're going to Mets games, why would you even care what they charge?

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....the Mets arn't paying Bonilla......you are

So the Mets have the most expensive concessions because they have to pay Bonilla his $1 million per year? lol

Yeah, that must be it. Not to mention the parking charges.

The Mets could have "Bonilla Days" at the Citi Field when the team is on road trips. These would be picnics in the outfield serving hot dogs and beer at the usual prices along with selling Bonilla jerseys and autographs, accompanied by a continuous playing of Frank Sinatra's rendition of "New York, New York" on the PA system.

"Bonus Bonilla Days" could be added sporadically with Bobby in attendance wandering around the outfield thanking his fans and being photographed with them and their "Bonilla babies", who later in life will never understand why the picture was taken and who this Bonilla character was. Nor will they understand who Sinatra was.

This will allow the Mets to reduce parking and concession prices during actual home games. Problem solved.

In the event that Bobby passes before his salary is paid in full, expect to see
surcharges for ketchup and mustard on those $10.00 dogs to offset the elimination of "Bonus Bonilla Days" from the schedule.

Sounds like good family fun. Can I pay with Bonilla Bucks?

Or....


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A+ trolling on this thread, Paul. So what happened on your trip to NY? They give you incorrect change at the Times Square M&M store? Did some mean cab driver honk at you on your way to the Olive Garden? It's OK, you can talk about it.

I bet someone sold him tickets to the Staten Island Ferry.

Ummm ... did everybody here forget about what the Giants did? They beat TOM BRADY in the Super Bowl TWICE!

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They did.

The defense was prone to getting burned on long passes. What was odd is that it looked like nobody else caught on.
Clint Longley would have wrecked the pats those years. ;)
I felt bad the team I like lost, but the Giants played really well and got a couple special plays.

What was also odd is that they were very average or worse most other years.

On the David Tyree play, it was ridiculous that the Patriots did not sack Manning.

Which team won't finish in last place this year?

Jets or Giants?


Does Jones know what day of the week it is yet?

As for the Giants 2 Titles, yes I mentioned that earlier in the thread, 2 of NY 3 titles in the past 20 year, only 1 less then San Antonio who has 1 team, not 8.

Why leave out Minneapolis?

Twins haven't won in 30 years
Timberwolves haven't won in 30 years (never)
Wild hasn't won in 20 years (never)
Vikings haven't won in 60 years (never)

I would love to have the history of the New York teams, personally.

The Bills will redeem NY.

Forgot the North Stars :)

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every thread requires a card (not mine)

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Frank was being a card in post 109. Does that count? :D

Going back a little further, but Mattingly had to leave NY to get a title too:

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