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marzoumanian 06-06-2021 01:16 PM

I'll Go With...
 
Dr. Fraud: My Life as a Cutup

Johnny630 06-06-2021 04:04 PM

Silence the Armchair Detectives

slidekellyslide 06-07-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby (Post 2110331)
So I make my perfunctory semi-annual visit to Net54 just to see what's going on and it is truly astounding that the "hobby" has devolved to such a deplorable state of affairs with voluminous unconscionable business practices with no corrective action in sight and yet cards are still escalating in price. How mind-boggling.

When Purdue Pharma and other pharmaceutical companies came under fire for the opioid crisis they went out and hired the best lawyers they could, lawyers who previously worked for the government and the DEA fighting the opioid problem. This is exactly the tactic PWCC used. They shut up one of their most vocal critics with a paycheck. Sad.

WhenItWasAHobby 06-07-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630 (Post 2110731)
Over the Past Couple Of Years The Blowout Guys Doing this have been doing great work.

I think it’s time for a Book to be Written About All This........

It’s sadly Fascinating......it just needs a really catchy title ?????

Any ideas

How about, "Failing Grades: The PSA Story" ?

In my opinion, a feature length video documentary that can be viewed on a major streaming outlet (ie Netflix or Amazon Prime, etc.) would make a greater impact than a book.

Johnny630 06-07-2021 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby (Post 2111304)
How about, "Failing Grades: The PSA Story" ?

In my opinion, a feature length video documentary that can be viewed on a major streaming outlet (ie Netflix or Amazon Prime, etc.) would make a greater impact than a book.


Agree

Peter_Spaeth 06-07-2021 04:27 PM

In lieu of that how about a video of Nat Turner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Cbq8W98MY&t=1s

35 minute mark or so, scandal discussion. Warning you may be disappointed.

slidekellyslide 06-07-2021 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2111326)
In lieu of that how about a video of Nat Turner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Cbq8W98MY&t=1s

35 minute mark or so, scandal discussion. Warning you may be disappointed.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

perezfan 06-07-2021 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 2111400)

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

"Won't Get Fooled Again" would actually be a perfect title, whether it's a Book, Movie, TV Documentary or otherwise. :cool:

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2021 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2111455)
"Won't Get Fooled Again" would actually be a perfect title, whether it's a Book, Movie, TV Documentary or otherwise. :cool:

Except that we (collectively) do get fooled again and again.

Deny, minimize, deflect. Why not, it works.

Leon 06-08-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 2111400)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2111573)
+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Every non-ebay auction house has their bidders private too. Maybe Brentsy is just becoming state of the art.

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-08-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2111573)
+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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It's also an effort to thwart BODA. One less piece of information to help them ferret things out.

Of course if I were PWCC I"d argue that REA, Heritage and Goldin aren't obligated to reveal their bidders.

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-08-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2111578)
Every non-ebay auction house has their bidders private too. Maybe Brentsy is just becoming state of the art.

OK beat me to it. It's actually policy at many auctions (mine included) to not reveal bidders or sellers. It's a privacy issue, if you reveal bidders then everyone from collectors to dealers to criminals who want to break in and steal things can target them. It's just a bad look to be selling in one manner for years, and then as the noose starts to tighten you start changing the way you do business to become increasingly opaque.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2111581)
OK beat me to it. It's actually policy at many auctions (mine included) to not reveal bidders or sellers. It's a privacy issue, if you reveal bidders then everyone from collectors to dealers to criminals who want to break in and steal things can target them. It's just a bad look to be selling in one manner for years, and then as the noose starts to tighten you start changing the way you do business to become increasingly opaque.

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

Leon 06-08-2021 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2111582)
What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

That is so easy to fix though. Give your friend the card to consign. I would say there is close to a 100% chance that is happening.

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jchcollins 06-08-2021 12:27 PM

Dang it. And to think I have to go home to my PSA 6 Carter RC that I paid $40 or so for...;)

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2021 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2111586)
That is so easy to fix though. Give your friend the card to consign. I would say there is close to a 100% chance that is happening.

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Not sure these scumbags have friends outside their own circle. :eek::cool:

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-08-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2111582)
What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

Really a similar rationale. You're calling attention to someone who may have a lot of money, a lot of cards or both. Anonymity is actually the norm in the auction world. Unless the owner adds some cachet to the sale you can go all the way up to Christies and Sothebys and anonymity is the general rule.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2021 05:14 PM

Conservation rules. A fine conserved asset.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1470269

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2111626)
Really a similar rationale. You're calling attention to someone who may have a lot of money, a lot of cards or both. Anonymity is actually the norm in the auction world. Unless the owner adds some cachet to the sale you can go all the way up to Christies and Sothebys and anonymity is the general rule.

It's sure done the hobby a lot of good, letting card doctors and their enablers run amok without repercussions.

Johnny630 06-08-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2111573)
+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Agree Leon ! I also thought the Vault from it's inception was a cover for their shills.

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-09-2021 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2111672)
It's sure done the hobby a lot of good, letting card doctors and their enablers run amok without repercussions.

I'm sure it unintentionally served the same purpose in the art world and other niches. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, but you can't expect every buyer and seller to want their name broadcast to the world. That means it comes down to the ethics of the auction house. Unfortunately even at the very top of the auction industry there has been shenanigans (read up on Christie's and Sotheby's colluding on consignor rates) I'd say I don't know why the auction business seems to attract so many bad apples, but that would be disingenuous. I will say the longer I'm around the more I wonder about ALL business categories being more crooked than ethical.


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