I am another guy pulling for SGC.... Although I have some cards that are in PSA holders.. I could never get myself to support that arrogant company.. even if it meant that I might lose money... Just couldn't do it.... I hope that everything SGC says becomes reality but the proof is in the pudding.... Let's submit and see... At $25 a card it will change the hobby and maybe just maybe increase the value of low to mid grade commons.... Which obviously would make it much more expensive to go after set completions.....

I agree on the responsiveness of SGC. I sent them a question on a card that was mislabeled and they returned my email within an hour, asked for additional information and confirmed what I needed to do all within the day.

Given everything else going on yesterday with the price changes I thought it was amazing how quickly they got back to me.

I would like to pull for SGC but the customer service on my last submission and the one before that were pathetic. I have some T210 cards that trying to decide where to send so may consider giving them another chance. I have always liked SGC until recently but my last submission was a disgrace compared to what I expected from them as a company. Hopefully tHey will start listening to their clients.

I rarely sub any cards but 2020 saw me making two subs to SGC as I like their holders and their turn around time, at least early in the year was much better than their competitor. I had a few questions about my sub and ALWAYS had a response within 24 hours if not sooner.

I gave up subbing because I did not want my cards being in limbo for a year but with this turn of events with SGC, I will probably put a submission together tonight. At this time I worry more about the post office and getting my cards to their destination and back to me safely than I am with SGC getting them back to me in a timely manner.

Agreed!

I just tried to finalize a new submission on SGC's site, but even though the credit card payment went through (the charge is showing on my credit card), the submission still shows as unpaid / unfinished on SGC's website.

Is this normal? Or maybe a glitch with the new site? I will call tomorrow to get it sorted out.

The process of taking the payment upfront should be reconsidered by the SGC team. It seems odd to have to make payment even before putting your cards in the mail to them. Even if they just charged your credit card when they started the grading process would be a much better business practice IMO.

Paid!
 

On my submissions, I always hand write over by the total something like "paid with paypal on 3/5/21) or (pd with visa on 3/5/21), I've never had a problem or misunderstanding, if there is a problem, they will get a hold of you once they receive it.

Peace, Mike

I just emailed them and got a response within minutes (on a Sunday even).

There is an "issue" that they are aware of and working on fixing it. Sounds like the PayPal payment system is not interacting correctly with their site on certain transactions. The transaction will go through on the submitter's end, but show as not going through on SGC's end. Technical glitch.

Was nice to get a response so quickly from them.

SGC should sell at a premium to PSA for prewar IMO. Honestly, I prefer BGS for modern as well but I really think BCGG or whatever their sister service is called ruined their reputation among newcomers to the hobby. PSA just did a good job of marketing and being the established player in the industry at the right time.

Agree on all points.

I am so sorry Lonnie. I hope you don't hold me responsible....I got all the paperwork filed away...as soon as I get them back, I will get them out. Look at the bright side. The cards have appreciated since then??

PSA sells for more than any other grading company because it’s name is more
well known for the general public. SGC is a great
company and possibly one day their sales will match.
I don’t mind paying a little less for SGC and I don’t mind
my cards selling for a little less. But I don’t sell many
5 figure cards. That would make a huge difference IMO.

I submitted a reholder of my T206 Evers portrait today. Totally intact slab but I want the new label with the big number. Arriving Friday in the mail (allegedly). I would never have even considered it save for hearing the good news in this thread.

From your lips to the grading gods' ears! :D

I most certainly hope you are right and not me!

Wid is right.....
 

Then worst part of the journey will be the US Mail system. SGC is caught up and cranking. That is a fact. Of course no guarantees but you will get your cards back from them right now faster than any TPG. Fact.

Peace, Mike

Me too....
 

I'm sending some more for reholder soon, I'll post my results at that time!

Mike

USPS delivered today (reholder/$15 sub) around 2x card
site hasn't updated with received yet, will see how long it takes

Bobby - Let me clarify so as not to misunderstand.

Not done with "Bobby" (as you have been a Rockstar in facilitating all of these past submissions) - Just pretty much have had it with PSA which seems to have adopted the new business model of -

"Who cares about delivering an advertised product, in a reasonable time frame? We can always just jack the price up and get more customers... pffft!"

I completely agree, they raise prices and still their turnaround is awful. I also
wonder, when they agreed to grade the whole Uncle Jimmy collection, how many peoples subs where totally delayed. This is who this company is they think they are elite as they get the best retail for being in their holders, but it does NO good if you wait months on months past the promised return date.

On a side note, I had to call PSA today with a question about the Quarterly Ticket Special. I tried to call yesterday and was told their allotted calls were through for the day and to try back tomorrow. So I called right when they opened at 10:00 eastern. Got a busy signal and a hangup. When I was finally able to get through at 10:03, I left my number in the queue and was told there was 103 callers ahead of me. At 10:03.

Same here, I wonder if they saw a big inflow of subs once word got out before the price increase.

Edit: My order just got logged. It has an expected ship out date of 3/30/21 too which is nice so I have an idea of when to expect my cards back.

My 7 card order ($15 per card) submitted on March 3rd just hit post grading status today.

Very impressed so far. The order had several sizes and types of cards (t201, t206, 33 Goudey, 36 National Chicle, 48 Leaf, and 1 modern card) hopefully post grading isn't too bad.

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The $25 per card will make the process go even smoother.

Order Lost?
 

My 72 card order entered on Dec 15th and charged to my card was delivered to them on January 7th. It is in the system as submitted and not even received! Jeff W

Jeff, SGC puts the submission in the system as soon as you make payment. If it has been 'delivered' per USPS but they have not registered it as received, you probably want to take action with the post office. this is exactly the reason I have private insurance.

I also have a submission they received this week. The ETA they gave me is March 30, and frankly I expect it earlier.

yay!
 

Logged on Feb 24th, regular service.......anyone wanna see them? Total time including shipping on both ends and weekends.... 14 days! Wow!

Mike

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Yeah, let's see some pictures.

Weird. I don't think I would have cared 12 months ago. :confused:

Thanks Dave....here goes......
 

Fun stuff, the Matty 3.5 is amazing, a Gem 10 on a 1914 Nap is crazy, Hindu George Brown is just nuts, fun all around!


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PSA vs SGC
 

Don’t misunderstand thinking I love PSA. I just don’t see SGC as an option for post-war cards. Their slabs are boring and easy to compromise. Most importantly their resale value isn’t there MOST OF THE TIME.

I view PSA’s registry (which I’m not part of) similar to what Apple offers. It’s almost a cult and can’t be penetrated.

The younger people I talk to don’t ever mention SGC. They use PSA and Beckett. I honestly believe HGA is onto something offering a slab to complement these colorful modern cards. I’m hoping both CSG and HGA become viable.

Just my 2 cents.

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing. I wish that I was waiting for a package like that! sadly I missed the $15 cutoff. I've got 40+ '33 Goudeys in PSA slabs ready to be crossed. Does anyone know if there is any indication from SGC that something other than $25/card pricing is on the horizon, bulk sub or some kind of special? $25 to grade commons is just not feasible, I was already hesitant at $15/card.

Message them.....
 

Chad, Thanks for enjoying my mail day! I've had success with SGC just emailing or messaging them and asking them. Tell them exactly what you told us, you wish you had done the $15 and that you feel the $25 is just too high for your commons. My hunch is they might offer you a deal. In those cases, I'd just send an incomplete order form since its a deal you get from them, and mark the paper that you got permission to send at X amount per and to charge a card when they get the order.

I think you might get success with SGC. Worst case they say no but they will actually get back to you! Thanks! Mike

PS Goudeys would look so nice in their new holders! Good luck!

Thanks for the tip!

Just updated with received status today, suppose to be yesterday, but it's my fault. There's discrepencies between what submit and what i mailed. I find out right away i finish the submit, PSA can correct it on their website but SGC doesn't. So I did get a human call from SGC. and they took care of it right away, ETA ship back 3/31

any idea when the prices jumped to $25? i submitted an order and the prices were quoted to me at $15 (and $10 for a new case). got my cards back and they charged me $25 for every item.

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the charge is on the invoice but haven't seen it on my PP/credit card yet. i have the original submission invoice that lists it as $15/$10, so we'll see how they choose to handle it. either way, done with SGC at $25 each.

I think March 5th, I think you should be able to talk to them to honor back the price when you submit
The one i submitted on march 4th, i ask them to correct and on website it shows the new price, but i paid with paypal not credit card. will see what they say, but they should be honoring the old price since we submitted before the price hike

thanks. my order showed up on march 1st, was entered a week before that with the previous pricing. that's ballsy of them, but we'll see what the actual charge ends up being on my account.

how is that possible? They charge you when you submit online based on the invoice. My submission was March 2nd, and I paid the invoice they gave me based on $15 a card. They are not going to charge you higher than the invoice.

Why is the $25 price important? that is market rate for grading... at least you get your cards in 2 weeks. You should be comparing $25 to PSA/BGS express which take weeks(if not months) and charge you multiples more.

My submission was received on 3/9, and they gave me a date of 3/30. I expect it a week earlier.

Doesn't SGC charge as soon as you make an invoice? Even before you mail the cards?

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yes, that is my point

Yeah you beat me to it

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hey bud, yes it may just be a glitch with the website where everything auto-lists as $25 now. my order was already paid for ($85 for 4 cards/1 reholder/shipping), but the order on my submissions says $140. i assume it's just a mistake but will keep an eye on it.

SGC is clearly the market leader in returning the cards these days, of that there is no doubt. but i've only used them for older cards that i just wanted slabbed since i like the all black look. for anything i'm considering selling off, i'm going PSA, regardless of the wait time.

I refuse to pay $25 to grade a card. I will just wait for a special and sub the way I always have done.

+1

You weren't kidding.
My 7 card order shipped today. 7 business days at SGC.

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I can't see paying that either for most cards.

And for a company that desperately needs a decent registry, that won't help.
One of my submissions way back included some really nice 81 Topps commons, figured it was worth a try on some more modern stuff on a special. At the time, a registry was pointless for those, since they had only graded maybe 25% of the set.
At $25, that's going to become a very static statistic.

And those of us who sell
Slabbed cards appreciate all
The meat you have left on the bone for us all these years. Sincerely thank you.

Isn't a registry just about volume? Even as the #3 grader, I am sure SGC is doing hefty volume in today's market. As long as they are collecting the data, they can always put it together at some point. building these systems take time, but it seems they are making the investment.

I noticed on my last submission, SGC has all of my cards on file with pictures, through a link called "My SGC SellerReadyImages (Expanded Pilot)". Seems like they might be setting up a marketplace of some sort. Maybe PSA/BGS collect this info as well? I am not sure, but it's a really good idea.

What I can tell you is that Rome is not built in a day. But the steps SGC is taking is definitely building a better product and experience.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I am not able to get deals on SGC cards. So I understand people look at the data and see discounted pricing. but IMO this is due to a lack of sales volume all together on specific cards.. I will buy ANY pre-1980 hall of famer in an SGC new slab at a 1-grade PSA discount (assume of course the card is properly graded). I am always looking so please PM me.

Not really. There has to be volume to support it initially, but the main point is to drive prices by getting people to compete for the best set. PSA has pretty much done that really well (And I'm not a fan at all)

I looked at when I posted the 81s here, and it was in 2017. I'd thought it was longer ago.

People can't compete for "best set" if it's essentially impossible to complete the set graded. PSA has enough graded they don't need more cheap commons being graded. And that bulk came from both bulk submissions, and the massive submissions of some dealers.
SGC doesn't really have any of that, so finishing a big set graded would be expensive. At the old specials price, an 81 Topps set would cost just over 5000 just in grading fees. At the new price... 18,150... Not counting variations if you wanted a master set. I can't see anyone doing that.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but it wouldn't have been built at all if bricks were $25 each.

Buying SGC
 

I think a couple of you guys are missing the point. I assume we are all willing to buy SGC graded cards. That’s because they are selling at a discount vs PSA. THAT’S THE POINT!

Why submit to SGC if their cards are selling at a discount vs PSA?? I don’t care how quickly they turnaround a submission.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT talking about all cards and definitely not pre-war. I am definitely talking about all cards 1960 and later and as previously noted pretty much every post-war card.

I agree with Dan here. I recently picked an SGC card for 0.99 on ebay, the same card in PSA was over $20.00

Nice......
 

That is a lot of empirical data. :cool:

Peace, Mike

On the topic of SGC...

When I lookup a slab on the website, SGC lists the grading date. this is helpful because regardless of old/new slab, I can see when the card is graded.

I do not believe Beckett or PSA provide this info. Is that correct, or am I missing something?

Something that should be known IMO because obviously in the last few years grading standards have changed across the board

updated: just saw post grading status already, received on march 9, that is fast

My sub was received on the 9th and I just got shipment confirmation an hour ago. I'm loving this!

Threw this modern card in with my prewar/vintage order that came back on Monday. I think it looks great in the SGC holder.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f7652077bd.jpg

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When I perform a cert lookup for BGS/BVG cards, I see the date on which the card was graded.

Final update: just received the grade and shipped , total 9 business day
received on the 9th, shipped on 19th, for this price, it's amazing service.
Grades are consistently fair. a few cards are a little lower than I'm hoping but did have exepectation of the receiving grade.

My premium1(1k grading fee) sent to PSA took them 3 business day. Took them 2 days to enter into the system. I would say SGC exceeded my expectation.

For those who worry about their holder or label not enough security, I believe sooner or later SGC will include the high resolution of the scan when you do cert lookup. That will be highest security of any holder since you can match the card with the scan of front/back. Right now every single card is scanned and you can see it in your sgc profile.

Wow!
 

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Lot #:
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Final Bid:
$42,600.00
SOLD
Feb 14, 2021
# Bids:
44

1952 Bowman Mantle SGC 7

Incredible!

Mike

Eric, that timing is incredible... Yes, I mentioned here that they scanned my cards in as well... I was not sure if this this something PSA/BGS did as well? but maybe not.

My last order was received by SGC on March 9, and I will have it on Monday. Just as in my 1st submission, they hit my grade estimate on 80% of the cards. they are extremely accurate and consistent.

SGC is building a serious business and collectors should take notice. The PSA re-sale premium is based on Greater Fool Theory and won't last forever.

I think people will eventually recognize sgc and the value will increase. I think on grading part they're on par or even better than psa because of the consistency.

Makes me wonder if I should break up my complete boyhood set & sell mine! What would YOU folks do??

depends if you want/need the $$$$$? You'll pay a lot of taxes considering you got them out of packs as a kid!!!!!

Nice Fred!
 

Nice Mantle Fred, I found a comparison on Ebay that has a Buy it Now of 42k and 35 current watchers. Not sure what it is they are watching? They must enjoy roller marks, wax stains on back, and coffee or water stains on lower left borders? I'd say you'd do quite nicely right now......

Heres the little gem that so many are watching on ebay:

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Peace, Mike

PS I cant load a better pic so here is the link if youd like your daily chuckle!
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but but but....";)It's centered"

Reading this post has swayed me to give SGC a try with a few of my bigger cards now (Aaron RC, 50B Robinson). I actually like their holders more and I’m not worried about value relative to other slabs. I actually feel more comfortable buying SGC over PSA as of late, as PSA seems to be all over the place with consistency. Looking forward to my results with them.

I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Imo they're actually more consistent and more strict than PSA.

Pete & Mike--
 

Thanks for your comments. Knowing ME pretty well, I'm sure I'll hang on to it as breaking up a set I put together as a 12 yr old just doesn't seem right & something I can't do quite yet!!

Thanks!
 

No problem, thanks Fred! Great card and now that you reveal you got it out of a pack and collected as a kid, I'd say "Keep it". Such a treasure!

Thanks for sharing!

Peace, Mike

My first SGC sub:

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Planning on shipping out tomorrow morning. I’m also located in FL, so hoping that helps my timeline as well. Tempting to just make the drive to hand deliver my cards, as shipping always makes me cringe.

Looking forward to getting shareable updates of my experience.


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Killer group!

Received my submission... oh wait, not really- I will get them tomorrow.
These are scans downloaded from SGC, who now warehouses high resolution scans of every graded card.

That's a nice Matty for a 2.

thanks, the colors are definitely bold, which is most important to me... but the corners are consistent with other 2s... grading is getting tougher overall.

Yeah I agree with the grade but it's a nice 2 with great registration, good centering, no creases or paper loss that I can see. It's the kind of t206's I like.

Nice group...I feel like you are leaving a lot of money on the table by not submitting to PSA.

It seems like sometimes SGC is getting strong prices at auction similar to PSA, but more on the newer graded cards. Just anecdotal observation. Have to look more closely, would be nice to consider a second option for top prices.

the gap is getting closer, on vintage too some of them are even higher, but it depends on the card

SGC 10 GM(not 10 pristine) 1986 topps tiffany barry bonds sold for 8300, psa around 9000, the pristine 10 will outsell psa 10 if there's any

SGC 1 1953 topps mantle a 1 for 2750 on 13th, this one outsell a lot of psa1

Not sure about modern, but i heard liquidity and price is not good. But things can change quickly once ppl recognizes and appreciate the grading of SGC more

I’m not planning on selling anytime soon. But if I did decide, I’m confident I’d get the same in either slab. I say that based off the cards I’ve been chasing, as SGC cards have done no favors on price when I go to purchase. But, I understand why you’d say that.