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I think Foxx's flame out has a lot to do with his card sales. Doesn't help that he wasn't part of some significant all time team either. He played in some World Series early on but I'm not sure anyone remembers them for anything iconic like Murderers Row or something like that.
I DO think Foxx benefits from fantastic nicknames and his association with League of Their Own. |
I second the choice of Foxx, there's a good argument there though Foxx ends up priced about where he should relative to other stars of the 20's and 30's.
Gehrig is still generally regarded as the greatest 1B of all time. He remains a household name among baseball fans. The only player in his time period that outsells him is Babe Ruth, who was clearly better than Gehrig. I do not see how he can thus really be considered underrated, either in cards or in baseball history. |
It's hard to call someone who is universally regarded as the best 1B of all time underrated. Agree that Foxx is more so, but I can't agree that he wasn't part of all time great teams. I consider the A's teams from 1928 to 1931 to be absolutely iconic, with Grove, Foxx, Simmons, and Cochrane leading the way as top tier all-time talents. The first two '33 Goudeys I ever bought, and the only two I owned for 10+ years, were Foxx and Simmons, because of my fascination with this dynasty.
EDIT: and which still causes me to do things like this without even realizing it. I just noticed this last week when I was consolidating. Oops :) https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1a252bae_z.jpg |
But do you think that admiration is universal to casual fans in the same way Murderers Row or the Miracle Mets are?
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True. I didn't mean to suggest he wasn't on great teams. Just not all time teams from the casual fan perspective. Like the Big Red Machine teams or the Black Sox, etc.
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Foxx . 325/.428/.609 OPS+ 160 For those that like WAR Gehrig 114.1 in 17 seasons with only 14 full seasons Those 14 full seasons Gehrig had 113.8 WAR or 8.12 WAR per season. Foxx 93.9 in 20 seasons. Foxx's best 14 seasons averaged 6.7 WAR. Gehrig was also a monster in the postseason with 6 WS wins in 7 tries hitting . 361/.483/.731. It really isn't close. Collectors want to collect the best. For prewar it is Wagner, Cobb, Ruth and Gehrig. Tier 2 players are going to trail behind badly. |
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One nice way to compare players of varied careers is to look at 7 year peak WAR:
Gehrig 68.1 Pujols 61.7 Foxx 58.5 The rest are substantially below these three. Top 3 in WAR for 1B are Gehrig, Pujols and Foxx. No one can really contest Gehrig's status as the GOAT, though I do not agree that Foxx is not a first tier HOFer; the #3 guy has to be. I guess the question is more whether Foxx cards are undervalued based on his place in baseball history. Of course, that question assumes that card values correlate directly with on-field performance, which is not always the case. Beloved and iconic status can come from other sources besides just stats (hello, Nolan Ryan, #24 in WAR; Mel Ott and Frank Robinson have better career WAR than Roberto Clemente; guess which right-fielder is on a stamp?). |
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As far as card values, people are drawn to the top few names. Players down the list are going to increase in value much slower. I don't think Foxx cards are undervalued at all. In 1933 Goudey after Ruth and Gehrig (and Lajoie) comes Foxx, Hornsby and Dean. He isn't like Eddie Collins who sells for less than many lesser players in t206. |
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One of the best.
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lou gehrig underrated?
I agree that Gehrig was one of the top ten greatest players in the history of the game. But what makes Gehrig so special was his character. His 1939 speech in Yankee Stadium was a sports classic. Fortunately, I have my two favorite Gehrig cards the 33G #92 and the 34G #37. He may be underrated by baseball card collectors but not by people who are familiar with the history of the game and its players. He will always be one of my favorite players.
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