The Killebrew string (red-banner, yellow insert), from left-to-right, is 493, 500, 464. Because of wrong-backs, this means there must be an upside down yellow banner, red insert string (from left-to-right) of 504 (Johnson), 474 (Fisher), and 463 (Schaffernorth).

Then, there is a miscut of the back of 504 (johnson) which indicates that either a manager (491, Craft) or team card (503, Braves) must be above that card. Because of the orientation of the thin block on the card back, I believe it is Craft that is above Johnson.

So, if the Yellow banner, blue inset string you showed earlier (Craft, Martin, Kasko) is correct, then that is the three-card string above the upside down yellow-red string of 504 (Johnson), 474 (Fisher), and 463 (Schaffernorth).

In other words, Craft is above Johnson, Martin is above Fisher (not Torres as shown) and Kasko is above Schaffernorth. However, the miscut on the back of Torres (482) clearly suggests that it is the card below Martin (499). So, a dilemma exists. Either the order of cards is not completely correct, or the Braves card is above Johnson.

Thoughts??

I think I answered my own question. It is probably the Braves team card (503) that is above Johnson

1963 series 6 sheet layout
 

Found this miscut on ebay. Shows that Monboquette is either above or below a team card. The only possibilities are: 473 Mets team (red banner, green inset) or 503 Braves team (yellow banner, blue inset). The other team card in the series, Indians team (451), has already been established as being in the same row as Monboquette.

I believe that may alter some of the potential layouts that were discussed earlier.

Attachment 429397

Kudos to Cliff and Kevvyg for more great detective work. Very impressive--thanks. Following this closely!

I don't know how you find these scans, I can't find that Monbouquette anywhere. If you have a scenario where the blue based/red circle row abuts into the red based/green circle row then it would work out with the Monbouquette and the Mets team card each being the second card in each respective row or the tenth card in each respective row if the two rows are flipped over.

Unfortunately, for me at least, I was furloughed for Covid-related reasons, so I spend most of my available time searching for such things. Lol

1963 topps Series 7
 

I noticed in an earlier post that you had placed the Tigers team (552) as well as the Murtaugh card (559) in the Reg banner-green inset row. I believe that forces the Gary Peters RC (522) to be a Red banner yellow inset card in order for there to be 11 of each flavor. This would also put the Peters card above a red-green card.

In an earlier post, you referred to a recurring print defect which affects multiple cards in the yellow banner blue inset row. Can you describe what that is ?

Thank you, I found it just a little bit ago.

I also found a reference to a wrong back Crandal/Regan in that messageboard. That allows me to place both in C6, which then allows me to put tartabull in C2 and daniels in C7. So, I believe the R/Y, R/G, and Y/R strings are now complete.

The Y/B line is missing the placement of two cards (C7 & C10) with the two cards being 450 & 454.

Finally, the WB of Tartabull (449) and Worthington (556) probably allows you to place 556 in C10 of the R/G line for Series 7.

1963 Topps series 6 & 7
 

Here's an ad which ran in the Aug 3, 1963 issue of The Sporting News. Please note the series numbering for both series 6 & 7. Also, based on the date progression of earlier ads, it would appear that the series release dates were before:

Series 1 - Feb 23
Series 2 - March 23
Series 3 - Apr 6
Series 4 - Apr 20
Series 5 - May 4
Series 6 - June 1
Series 7 - June 15

Attachment 430385

Some of those Series release dates are very surprising to me. I thought some of those would be much later in the summer.Maybe the Sporting news holds additional info. Thanks for the info.

1963 topps cards
 

Those dates come from ads placed by Marshal Oreck. However, here is an ad from The Trading Company, dated July 6 which enunciated that all 7 series were available.

Attachment 431791

1963 topps 5th series
 

Here's a scan of the 6th series checklist (#431, Yellow banner) that was most likely issued with the series 5 printing. The red banner version of this checklist was probably issued with the 6th series printing.

Attachment 432876

And here is a 7th series Clemente (#540) with Hank Fischer (#554) showing adjacent to it.

Attachment 432877

Using a pattern of R/Y, R/G UD, B/R, B/O UD, Y/B, and Y/R UD then a repeat of that pattern to fill out the slit, we can have Monbo (480) below the Mets team (473) and above Neal (511) in C10 of the slit, which matches what we know about miscuts on both top & bottom of Monbo, as well as the left (490) and right (451) of the Monbo card.

So
C1 has 431, 469, 502, 485, 456, 466 (then repeats),
C2 has 460, 487, 462, 483, 448, 486,:
C10 has 479, 473, 480, 511, xx, 494 and
C11 has 496, 501, 451, 455, 505, and 509.

This accounts for all the wrong backs correctly.

The xx in C10 has to be either 454 or 450 since all the other Y/B cards have their wrong backs accounted for (i.e., we know all R/G & Y/B wrong backs except for the R/G 487 & 471, and Y/B 450 & 454). If 487 is in C2, then either 450 or 454 must be in C10.

While searching for miscut 1963 cards for this thread, Kevvyg1026 found this interesting sheet edge card of the Marcelino Lopez four player rookie card with printed words on the edge. I'm guessing it has something to do with cutting the sheet, at first I thought it said SIDE DOWN and GUTTER but looking at it again I think it is something else.

After nearly six months when I started this thread the 6th Series sheet is nearly complete. It wouldn't be anywhere near this far without the invaluable work of Kevvyg1026. A few months ago he figured out that on the 6th Series sheet the Yellow/Red row goes on top rather than the Yellow/Blue row, and more importantly that the blue rows go in the 3-4 and 9-10 horizontal rows rather than the incorrect 5-6 and 7-8 horizontal rows that I had originally. We also sent scans of miscut cards back and forth through email and about a month ago he sent me what I consider the most valuable miscut of the whole series, a miscut Art Fowler with part of a different color card that could only be Charlie Neal. It was proof that the Yellow/Blue row abutted the Blue/Orange row. The two missing Blue/Red cards are Chuck Estrada and Dave Wickersham. I was also missing the Blue/Red card of Tex Clevenger but Kevvyg1026 sent me a scan of a miscut Clevenger and I was able to match it up to Ken McBride. The 6th Series was less difficult than the 7th Series because of the many wrong back cards that exist in the 6th Series, they are almost nonexistent in the 7th Series. The reason 1963 wrong backs are so informative is that the back of the card is from a sheet that was printed upside down, so the card on the front is the mirror image of the card on the back. For instance, a wrong back Bill Freehan rookie will always have a Steve Dalkowski rookie on the back and vice versa. The sheet repeats the same 66 cards to make a full 132 card sheet.

Here is a list of all known wrong backs in 1963 6th Series. They are invaluable because if you know the placement of one side of the card on the sheet you can place the other side of the card on the opposite side of the sheet. The back card is from a back sheet that was printed upside down to the front of the sheet.



448 Jack Kralick (Y/B) 473 Mets Team (R/G)
452 Barney Schultz (R/G) 499 JC Martin (Y/B)
459 Dick LeMay (R/G) 503 Braves Team (Y/B)
460 Del Crandall (R/Y) 494 Phil Regan (Y/R)
462 Wally Post (B/R) 511 Charlie Neal (B/Y)
463 Joe Schaffernoth (Y/R) 493 Walt Bond (R/Y)
464 Ken Aspromonte (R/Y) 504 Bob Johnson (Y/R)
466 Freehan Rookie (Y/R) 496 Dalkowski Rookie (R/Y)
469 Jay Hook (R/G) 505 Curt Flood (Y/B)
472 Lou Brock (B/R) 488 Jerry Adair (B/Y)
473 Mets Team (R/G) 448 Jack Kralick (Y/B)
474 Jack Fisher (Y/R) 500 Harmon Killebrew (R/Y)
475 Gus Triandos (R/Y) 482 Felix Torres (Y/R)
476 Frank Funk (R/G) 489 Paul Toth (Y/B)
478 Paul Brown (R/Y) 507 Roland Sheldon (Y/R)
481 Bob Taylor (B/Y) 495 Frank Thomas (B/R)
482 Felix Torres (Y/R) 475 Gus Triandos (R/Y)
488 Jerry Adair (B/Y) 472 Lou Brock (B/R)
489 Paul Toth (Y/B) 476 Frank Funk (R/G)
490 Willie McCovey (B/R) 510 Ken McBride (B/Y)
493 Walt Bond (R/Y) 463 Joe Schaffernoth (Y/R)
494 Phil Regan (Y/R) 460 Del Crandall (R/Y)
495 Frank Thomas (B/R) 481 Bob Taylor (B/Y)
496 Rookies Dalkowski (R/Y) 466 Freehan (Y/R)
499 JC Martin (Y/B) 452 Barney Schultz (R/G)
500 Harmon Killebrew (R/Y) 474 Jack Fisher (Y/R)
502 Daryl Spencer (B/R) 455 Ruben Amaro (B/Y)
503 Braves Team (Y/B) 459 Dick LeMay (R/G)
504 Bob Johnson (Y/R) 464 Ken Aspromonte (R/Y)
505 Curt Flood (Y/B) 469 Jay Hook (R/G)
507 Roland Sheldon (Y/R) 478 Paul Brown (R/Y)
510 Ken McBride (B/Y) 490 Willie McCovey (B/R)
511 Charlie Neal (B/Y) 462 Wally Post (B/R)

After all of the fantastic work Kevvyg1026 did on figuring out the 1963 Topps 5th Series A and B sheets I figured I would show the cards themselves on the sheets. This is the top half of the Slit A sheet.

This is the bottom half of the 1963 Topps 5th Series Slit A sheet.

Thank you, it is so beautiful to see what those colorful slits look like. The 2nd slit will repeat rows 5 to 8, that is the yellow and green border ones, then have all 8 rows again. I.e. the four red, two yellow, and two green.

great work you guys.

Thanks for all great research!!!

This is the top half of the 1963 Topps 5th Series Slit B sheet.

This is the bottom half of the 1963 Topps 5th Series Slit B sheet.

Thanks to this 1963 Topps Lou Brock miscut with Dave Wickersham to his right I can finally complete the 1963 Topps 6th Series Sheet, by process of elimination it puts Chuck Estrada on the other side of Lou Brock.

Here is the full 1963 Topps 6th Series Sheet with the final two cards placed. The 66 cards would be repeated to fill out a 132 card sheet.

Great work, get it published so there's no questions about the SP theory.

This is what Kevvyg1026 and I keep coming up with on the 1963 Topps 7th Series Sheet, the only problem is that I have a miscut Don Elston that doesn't appear to match up to Ken Walters, which is why I have been hesitant to show the sheet. So until new evidence shows up I am confident that 95% of the cards are in the correct slots but a couple of cards might have to be flipped but I have no doubt that all cards are in the correct horizontal rows. Just like the 6th Series Sheet all 66 cards would be repeated to fill out a 132 card sheet.

This has been a great thread! I hope this helps, but this is my miscut Rose RC that I confirmed is next to John Blanchard. Now I just need to figure out who else surrounds the Rose RC. THANKS ALL!

1963 topps 7th series
 

Definitely next to Blanchard, as we thought. Yea!!

Awesome! I have a definitive Blanchard miscut with part of the Rose but that is the first Rose I have seen with a definitive part of Blanchard. I have scans of miscut Rose cards with slivers of Blanchard on one side and Ron Moeller on the other side but nowhere as good as yours. I also have a miscut Hal Kolstad with part of the Rose. I don't have any miscuts with Bolling, but I am positive that when the Rose card is facing upward that an upside down Johnny Blanchard is to his left, an upside down Ron Moeller is to his right, Frank Bolling is above him, and Hal Kolstad is under him.