What step are these in now? Any update? Should be getting close. I will be surprised when these show up. I will have to look on the computer to see what I sent in.

STILL in grading. The last completed thru date was August 2nd. These are August 12th. I am sure there are orders older than this one out there, but not very many.

Bobby,

This is the 1950s Submission from last June?

Correct....it took PSA two months to simply log them in....so the actual clock started on August 12th.

I feel like we should be getting close, but nothing changes. Every single day. I thought they were supposed to be working on these old orders?

Yeah the CTD hasn't moved from August 2 for over a week.

Friday the complete through date changed from August 2nd to August 3rd. If it takes a week to move it every day on the calendar then we are only ten weeks away from order completion! What's another two and a half months at this point?

So are looking at "Quarterly Specials"? as I dont see a category for "Bulk Submission" which is what we sent it in as -

Service Level Complete Through Date
Walk-Through 20 Apr 2021
Super Express 13 Apr 2021
Express 16 Feb 2021
Regular 3 Feb 2021
Economy 3 Sept 2020
Reholder 30 Sept 2020
Collectors Club Vouchers 8 Sept 2020
Value - Ultra Modern 3 Sept 2020
Value - Modern 9 Aug 2020
Value - Vintage 15 Sept 2020
Value - TCG 15 Aug 2020
Quarterly Specials 3 Aug 2020

Torture.

Wouldn't it have been easier for you guys just have arranged a met up in a parking lot somewhere and beat each other over the heads with sticks for an hour?

It took two weeks to move one day it was at August 2nd the week of April 12.

hmmmm- that still sounds like an attractive option for us....

This sub was sent in under a "monthly" special. That is how old it is. The specials used to change every month. Monthly special isn't even on the list. I assume it has fallen under the "quarterly" special. I understand everyone is mad and impatient. I am impatient too. PSA has taught me to have the patience of Job however. I tried to look at the bright side of everything. The bright side in this instance is that the values have increased dramatically since these have been sent in.

Sadly, when I called about my crossover submission, mind you they are already psa graded, just adding an auto grade, they said service varies by demand. "At least a few more months"

It's a hot mess right now Ted. There is ZERO sugar coating anything. There are a lot of people to blame. We can take a poll...

#1) PSA themselves for not hiring and planning in advance.

#2) Ja Morant and Zion Williamson. The explosion of the modern market.

#3) Pokemon and Magic the Gathering.

I doubt very seriously vintage is the cause of any of this. We are just caught up in the tide thanks to everyone else.

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Last CTD is August 4th. We are August 12th. I can't help but feel we are close.

They were at August 3rd on April 4th 26 days ago so at that rate they should be graded in around 208 100 days.

Actually I see I was wrong the CTD date moved two days since the beginning of April but it's still
at a point where it's ridiculous. They supposedly stopped all submissions except the walk-through
and super express to get caught up but the CTD dates were moving faster before the shut down
than they are now.

Well...PSA IS in California. Is California still shut down??

Sorry about the confusion Bobby I was talking about them shutting down
the submissions on all the lower level grading services.

Following this thread for 365 days is one of the true joys of Net54 membership.

And just imagine. It cost you not one copper penny.

The above was posted by Pat on March 19, 2021 saying that the "Completed Through Date" was August 3, 2020

Today (43 days later) - The Completed Through Date shows as August 4, 2020

So they have manged to process 1 additional day of submissions in 43+ days?

Can't think of any other business that currently displays such a blatant disregard for Customer Service -

When you need a wheelbarrow to haul the cash to the bank - I guess you can afford to say "Yea - eff a whole bunch of Customer Service"

That was the value vintage service that I originally thought this sub was in and
that one is now completed through September 22. This sub is actually in what is
now called the quarterly service and that one has moved 2 days in the past
26 days.

It is painfully slow. And we are definitely one of the oldest subs there.

Quarterly Specials still showing as Completed Thru August 4, 2020

Not moving even a bit over the last couple of weeks

Jumped to Aug 9th today.

I'm not even in this sub but I always check out of interest when checking on my express submission through date.

Good luck, getting close

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I saw that as well. This in unbeleivable.

and 1 week later still holding steady at Aug 9, 2020 - FFS (they cant even gain 1 day in a week?)

I think the backlog excuse is bs when you look at the progress since they
stopped all submissions except the top two services. I think it's something
like they can't get enough holders and for whatever reason they don't want
to say that.

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The sub is STILL sitting in grading. It is one month shy from being a year.

I will be going on vacation soon. I really hope these pop while I am gone.

I will be retiring in 18 months and really hoping that these come back before then.

......and so it goes....

And once again...still not cost you one copper penny.

I see today where the CTD for "quarterly specials" went from 08/09/2020 to 06/30/2020..... so lost 40 ish days on CTD in the last week or so.

Perfect -

Say's August 9 on my computer.

It's August 9 on my computer.

We have moved to assembly. I am on vacation. More details to come, hopefully soon.

Not even a single day of movement of these since 5/13/2020 - WTF!

And to make matters worse Lonnie, two of my biggest cards that enjoyed huge appreciation while they were sitting around collecting dust over at PSA got graded recently. "Min Size Rqd". I feel like I got kicked in the stomach. These are legitimate cards. It is almost like PSA is turning into slot machine in Vegas. They are choosing whether they want to give you a big win or not.

Yea - it' totally like a crapshoot anymore.

Remember when we were hopin to have them back by Christmas?? :)

Oddly enough I seem to be getting the itch to send in another 25 or so - to someone - just not sure who atm. Even CSG is saying 4 months turnaround now.

I don't think the graded card market will will be the same ever again. And that saddens me. What a roller coaster the hobby has been on.

QA Check #2

9 more days and it will officially be a year since PSA received the cards. I'm dumbfounded.

Bobby I'm just as dumbfounded that they said they closed off the majority of the submissions to catch up and their progress has slowed dramatically since that time.

Looks like CTD has finally moved to August 11 today.....

So not sure why we would be in QA2 yet.....

Isn't QA2 the last phase before return shipping?

OK...Here are the grades, after 1 year. If you want to be surprised, DO NOT CLICK THE LINK!!!!!!!! Here ya go.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...60c1225f#gid=0

Does this mean the Swingin' 60's sub should be done by X-mas 2021?

LOL.........hard to say.......Things are backed up pretty bad right now....bad enough they shut down future business.

Bobby, have you contacted your PSA rep about the elimination of qualifiers in the 'Swinging 60's' sub, and if that decision could be reversed since we submitted under the old rules? It was such a BS move on their part, because it screws over those of us who were fully expecting/hoping for high grades with an OC qualifier pointing out the obvious problems in centering. Now, said centering is going to lower the grade on the label without any explanation, so a card that would've been a PSA 7 OC, for example, is now going to be a straight 5...so anyone looking at it now would think its corners, focus, eye appeal, etc., make it ONLY a PSA 5, PLUS it is off-center, which makes the grade in a person's mind even lower. There is no separation. Ultimately, the card would now seem like a PSA 3 (PSA 5 minus two grades for bad centering) to a normal buyer!!!!!! The addition of the OC has always eliminated all of that. A PSA 7 OC card has all of the other characteristics of a 7, but it is off-centered. No guesswork required. In the scenario I just outlined, a PSA 7 OC card would lose 4 grades (down to a perceived straight PSA 3) for no reason whatsoever...and when we submitted this order, those were NOT the rules we agreed to.

(And please, no one come on here to argue about what I am saying. It doesn't matter if you prefer to have a straight grade that encompasses centering or if you believe it's the right move for PSA to make, that NOT the issue. The issue is we submitted under certain rules, and they changed them. That is not acceptable.)

Couple of things - Looks like these did include "qualifiers" as I received 1 card back with the "MK" designation.

Sent 34 1955 Topps BB in for grading on this go round.

Of the 34 I had "opinion" graded the vast majority as coming back a 6 with a couple maybe hitting 6.5 and a couple coming back in the 5 range (Dont recall a Mark on the card they designated but will see when I get it in hand)

Had several "shockers" that included a 3 cards coming back below 5 and 11 cards coming back as 7s (or better)

Of the 11 one (Boone) came back as 8.5 - Still scratching my head on this one as I don't know how an EXMT card sitting in my EXMT set along with tons of other 6s could hit that "rare air".

The other 7s (and 4 additional 8s) are somewhat annoying to me for the same reason - didnt look out of place in an EXMT set

Hand picked for centering - Looks like I now get to go out in search of 14 additional 6s. If you have any of the 14 in PSA Holders that are well centered - I would be interested

Thanks

The Boone (8.5)??

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The following results simply reinforce the idea that after all these years - I STILL have no clue when it comes to BB Card Grading. The Mathews is particularly annoying as I was sure it was a 6 all day.....

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I am very interested in what comes back from what I submitted. I don't get into things as in depth as you, but to say I am disappointed is an understatement. What is going on over at PSA?? Have the grading standards tightened?? Is there new help grading the cards with very little experience?? Who knows......It has been an eye opening experience for me to say the least.

I know that ALL of these cards were in pretty much identical in condition and they should have all hit the 6 (ish) range.

The cards that came back as below 5 and especially the PSA 8.5 grade makes me think that they don't really have a clue as to what is going on over there....

I would guess lots of brand new "Graders"? Don't know - Reminds of the old "Turkey Shoots" - One shot from a 12 gauge at 25 yards and the guy with the pellet closest to center wins....

OK - Now that I am done bitchin -

Just wanted to say -

Mega Kudos to Bobby for puttin these things together -

Not many guys out there would invest a year of time and tons of paperwork to put something like this together for FREE....

Thanks Bobby!!

+1 on this

I sent in 23 mostly lower grade t206's and they were about what I expected no real surprises either way.

8 - came back the grade I estimated
5 - + 1/2 grade
7 - - 1/2 grade
1 - + 1
2 - - 1 grade

The two that stood out the most to me was a Knabe that came back a 3 that I thought was a 2 and a Leifield that came back a 2 that I thought was a 3 when you look at the two together I don't see how the Knabe is a grade higher than the Leifield.

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when you look at the two together I don't see how the Knabe is a grade higher than the Leifield.

Yes - Exactly my point!

New graders Pat. That is my suspicion.

MK and MC qualifiers are not being eliminated, only the OC, OF, ST, and PD.
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...date-june-2021
So having a MK in the order doesn't mean anything.

bump so people can see their grades.

So if you go thru and look at all 283 cards - It appears that PSA pretty much hammered everything.

Couple of things come to mind -

What constitutes an "Altered Stock" designation - and this is on a 52 Topps fairly common card?

What is the difference between "Minimum Size" and "Evidence of Trim"?

Just a guess Lonnie but probably the altered stock on a 52 Topps would be because it was in a flat screw down holder at one point.

Altered stock is normally from being in a screwdown holder, because that could change the width of the card and press out creases and wrinkles. Because it could be used to hide alterations, PSA calls it altered stock. Could have also been for something that damaged the surface gloss. Card could have also gotten water damage over time which made the stock thicker than normal.

MinSize means that PSA couldn't detect any trimming, but the card was too small compared to the normal size of that set, outside of its maximum allowable tolerance.

Evidence of Trim means that they did note some part of the card was trimmed.

I didn't read it as those qualifiers are being eliminated, only that they will be used at the graders discretion and that you can not request that they not be used. In this submission I requested no qualifiers and received a MK, a MC, and an OC. The presence of the qualifiers is a major bummer when the rules when we submitted were that you could request no qualifiers; major bummer.

You will still get MK or MC as those are not removable if you select "No Qualifiers"; that's how it's always been and still seems to be with this change. So the only difference you would have seen was a lowered grade (by at least 2 grades) for the OC ones.
However, I thought the "No Qualifiers" was for the entire order, not specific cards. So because you submitted with a group submission, whatever Bobby selected for the submission is what would have mattered to your cards within. Authentic vs. unslabbed Alterations/Minsiz you can select for each card, or at least it was the last time I submitted to PSA.

You can select "no qualifiers" on a line by line basis

correct

Stay tuned....I'll PM with details.

PS - a lot of the cards had "MK" qualifiers. Some I am seeing. A lot of them, I am not. You can argue for the "ST" qualifier on some instead of "MK". Most I am dumbfounded. The low grade is SUPPOSED to incorporate some mild staining. EVERY single 1933 Goudey Indian card got a "MK" qualifier??? I think not. I will send some scans when I get home.

Maybe WST or bleedthrough now being counted as MK?

Can someone please tell me where the "mark" is????

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I cannot find the alleged mark, but do see a pinhole. I did not think pinhole cards could receive a grade higher than a 2. The majority that I own, which are in great shape other than a small pinhole, usually receive a 1.5. So, I guess a 3 is the highest a pinhole card can receive or was this a mistake?

While it has the look of a pinhole, it doesn't break thru. I would call it more like an "indentation". I got others with the "MK" mark without the mark if you want to see others.

Did you try looking at them under black light? There are a couple of stray dots on the edges of the cards, one of which could be a pen point. I think if there was any recoloring of the red field at the bottom front (where the indentation is), that they would have given that an ALTERED.

Definitely looks like a pinhole. There is a matching ,ark on back and dark spots on back near bottom... I think a 3 is good!

Faint smiley face above the CH in the left hand corner, back side.

Good eye....I will post the others......

Would have never seen the Smiley Face until you pointed it out....

I got the cards Bobby thanks but I think PSA needs to look into the holders and how they are encapsulating them. I scanned them before I tried tapping them into place and when I do they just slide in between the two layers.

This is just a few but they are all crooked in the holders.

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I picked up a recently graded PSA E card that had the same issue of being crooked in the holder and wouldn't tap back into place. Left it in my car for 10 minutes to warm up, tapped it into place, then put it in the fridge for 10 minutes.
After seeing your cards it looks like PSA might have a bad batch of holders in their system. I guess for $300/card a guy can't expect much QC, sarcasm intended.