I don't believe an announcement has been made, but I'd imagine it will be because gatherings of 100+ have been banned in OH. Meanwhile, exclusions to the ban include airports, churches, etc. Go figure...

Just talked to a dealer friend of mine who is driving back from the Chicago show. It’s canceled.

Randy Cook, who would have been setting up, just posted on FB the Chicago show has been cancelled.

Regards
Rich

Here's the story on Sports Collectors Daily:

Chicago cancelled.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...BvvmPytRJiQOOU


Steve

Also, Al C of LOTG just posted on Facebook announcing he has cancelled the remainder of his buying trip.

Steve

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

Because we live in a world where for some reason people with no expertise think their opinions are just as valid as facts.

Yep. That would be the reason. Be suspicious of informed intelligent folks. Believe hucksters and uninformed loudmouths.

Columbus sportscard show cancelled for this weekend, too! Looks like for the next few weeks or so many shows will be cancelled!

Canton Card Show cancelled as well on the 22nd.

Canton is where 2 of the 5 announced cases in Ohio are.

Portland
 

Portland, Oregon monthly card show is cancelled. The promoter said this is the first cancellation for him of any kind on 33 years.

The mayor of Portland declared a state of emergency. Presumably to get funding for ways to protect from worse spreading of the virus.

So the impact is pretty much everywhere now.
No way to tell yet if it is an over reaction or a sound strategy to keep more people healthy.
The flu sux, I guess this virus does too.

I firmly believe in a couple months we look back and say "We were worried about that??" Much like when the planes were supposed to drop out of the sky in Y2K.

However, I also believe that avoidance and common sense and even some overly cautious protections can and will slow this down and help greatly. Someone posted earlier about the amount of deaths from swine flu; that didn't wipe out the world, but how many of those deaths and illnesses might have been avoided if we hunkered down like we are now?

This graph makes a lot of sense to someone of my limited medical knowledge.

Ken

This Saturday's Sacramento card show was cancelled yesterday.

You don’t say...

People are preparing and thinking like this is going to be equivalent to a three day blizzard. They are mistaken. This is the equivalent to a long winter. We are speaking months; not days or weeks. Educate yourself and Godspeed my friends.

Who says I'm not listening to people who know? Most, like I mentioned, get their facts from the media, which is causing this panic. Many doctor's believe this is much ado about nothing but you don't hear or see them on the news do you?
How come that is so hard for you to understand??

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_people.html
https://cnsnews.com/article/internat...s-61000-deaths

I also know a couple nurses. Here is one's response to a question I asked her what they have done in preparation for this.


All we have done at work as of today is put a few posters up asking generic questions like "have you traveled to an area known to have the virus". That is it.

Every year we do the same prep for this type of illness and its second nature. N95 mask fitting, education on isolation for airborne and droplet precautions etc....

Do I believe the media is blowing it WAY out of proportion? YES

I have seen many different types of virus's, respiratory illness, bacterial illness's and their effects on the body.
I've seen what true influenza can do.
The chance of influenza itself killing you is extremely very low if you are healthy.
BUT if you have pre-existing conditions and you get influenza (and lots of people think the stomach bug is influenza) the morbidity rate just go up up and up.
I'm not 100% sold on the "flu shot" either. I personally haven't got it in 4-5 years. I also don't push it on people at work or out of work.

And some more info:

While at least 60 cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed in the US, no one has died of it here, while this year's influenza has infected at least 29 million in the US and killed about 16,000 so far.
Covid-19 is spreading easily and sustainably in the Hubei province and other parts of China, and has been confirmed in more than two dozen other countries. While the global death toll has so far topped 2,700, it's good to remember that more than 80% of the Covid-19 cases have been mild, requiring little to no medical intervention, and it is much less deadly than severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which are also coronaviruses.
Here is the best advice I can give you, to avoid any virus and flu: Be intentionally hygienic in public and during interactions with others. Hand hygiene is a cornerstone of infection prevention. Effective hand hygiene requires appropriate duration and thoroughness, which should be a goal each time our hands are cleaned.


Did you not read any of those articles I posted? People in Wuhan China are returning to work and school because the cases are subsiding along with the deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51813876
http://voyapal.com/wp-content/upload...oronaVirus.pdf

Does this really sound like it's something we should all be panicked over?

Nearly 70,000 people have recovered from coronavirus
Amid concerns over the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., it’s important to remember most who become infected recover from the illness.

https://thehill.com/changing-america...recovered-from

If you don't believe this panic is media driven, then I don't know what to tell you? If you want to keep living in fear, be my guest, but I'm going to carry on like I've always done and enjoy life instead of getting caught up in this fear mongering B.S.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-dre...-the-contagion
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ears-1.5490534
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...ewan-1.5488688
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...379-2/fulltext

My biggest pet peeve with this whole thing, which discredits the warnings, is the inconsistencies with the response. For Ohio...

School is ok to attend tomorrow, but not for the next 3 weeks starting Monday/Tuesday. Meanwhile, with parents still at work, kids are going to be congregating with babysitters in large groups, or hanging out at the mall with friends from their school district and other school districts. Seems counterproductive.

Crowds of 100+ are not ok, but airports, grocery stores, office buildings, etc., remain functional. Not to mention 100+ in Ohio isn't ok but you can have up to 500 people together in NYC, 250 people in both Seattle and San Francisco, and so on.

Sporting events are not ok, even when no fans are in attendance, but regular civilians need to still go to work.

We want solutions, but places like the Cleveland Clinic have to wait for approval from the CDC (government), which delays those solutions.

Why are there inconsistencies? Is this not as bad as the media is making it out to be? Is it as serious as it's being made out to be and our decision makers just suck? There is such a thing as overreaction, and I don't believe it to be wrong to question what's going on. Standard precautions (washing hands, not going out when sick, etc.) and common sense prevail 9 times out of 10, minimum.

It just makes me shake my head!! :(


https://www.facebook.com/ParmaraClan...6649515152352/

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...68674%3Fs%3D21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-T7cGVVnA

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/busin...per/index.html

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...angley-costco/

Of course. Comparing something present day to a flu from 100 years ago makes much more sense (one that only became disastrous because of hygiene, malnourishment, and medical camp/hospital issues that were much, much worse back then, no less).

As does creating a huge dent in the economy, especially for small businesses and struggling blue-collar workers. Over just the fear of much worse lethal mutations that, given how the situation in China is starting to subside already, might be just a remote possibility

Mostly, it’s this. This thing caught the entire world by surprise and no one was prepared. On top of that, The US dragged their feet in responding and is now behind the ball, scrambling and basically making up solutions as we go. The measures seem drastic, because they are, but it’s better to do too much at this point than risk not doing enough.

The inconsistencies come from no one entity taking the reigns. Some of this is based on political posturing in an election year, some is due to denial and some is due to being caught with our pants down and slow to react. Now with no one agency at the helm, states are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is best and 50 governors are going to have 50 different ideas of what that is.

I think I agree with this.

The markets around the world have tanked this week and the reason is that they expect the situation in the US to become way worse than it has in China, which is quite scary actually.

The reason is basically they don't see any effective response being formulated by the US government right now and its too late at this point to do much about that.

In China the response was kind of bungled from the start in a similar way - the leadership just tried to ignore and deny it for a while. But then they changed literally overnight from doing nothing to suddenly taking aggressive measures to contain it. And those seem to have worked, it looks like China will peak with fewer than 100,000 cases and about 4,000 deaths, which while tragic is way better than it could have been.

What has markets freaking out is that the outbreak in the US is already way past the point it was in China when it made that pivot. They only had a few hundred cases at that point and it was contained to a single region when the Central government started taking it seriously and imposing strict measures. In the US now it has already spread to almost all 50 states, and there are thousands of cases, maybe 10s of thousands given what little we know thanks to a lack of testing, and its spreading at an exponential rate.

And despite this, there still isn't really any plan for getting it under control being articulated by the Federal government. The opportunity to limit the damage to what China incurred has already been squandered and the markets recognize this. They seem to be pricing in an epidemic with numbers in the millions in the US and commensurate economic fallout.

I would not be buying stocks right now, nobody knows where the floor for this is.

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I wouldn't be so quick to applaud China & Italy.

First of all, China began the cover-up of this virus in December. Numbers didn't start coming out until January, and even then & now, there is plenty of skepticism when it comes to the numbers released vs. reality. I have plenty of doubts on how much that situation is actually "clearing up" and even more doubts about the origins of the virus and China's intentions.

Second of all, Italy didn't close down Chinese travel until it was too late. They have 16 million people under quarantine, and are leaving infected, dead corpses in the homes because they aren't collecting them fast enough or at all for a certain period of time. They are even considering not caring for the elderly.

Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. :rolleyes: LMAO

Chicago Fanatics Show Cancelled
 

Greetings. I live in Chicago and was planning to go to the Fanatics show today out at Rosemont (by the airport).
I've been checking the website often, saw all the autograph cancellations and couldn't understand why they didn't already cancel for public safety reasons.
I just checked out the website a few minutes ago and now see that the entire weekend show HAS BEEN CANCELLED.
What did it take for Fanatics to cancel? The governor's banning of any gathering of more than 1000 people. In my opinion show operators should of acted much more quickly. So, thank you governor. Public safety should always rule.
Take care.

I was going to stay out of this because it is way to political (and in my opinion it shouldn't be). My wife is a Pharmacist so she doesn't get her news from Fox or MSNBC. The underlying problem for all of the deniers out there is that we have not been testing on a regular basis so we really don't know how many people are actually infected. 80% of us could get this virus and could be asymptomatic or have minor cold like symptoms. There is no vaccine so if 80% of the population continues to walk around spreading this we have somewhere around 60 million people at risk. Is it a plague to end the world...no, but if we are not careful and don't take appropriate measures now, it could be months before the virus is contained and the economic and life toll could be significant. Just my 2¢.


Jeff

Perfectly stated. The healthcare systems are at capacity.
On a side note the governor of Oregon has closed all K-12 schools through the end of March. Preventative measures at this point which is our only defense.

Awful lot of political statements overflowing out of the sewer

:rolleyes:

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

On behalf of Canadians on this board, these posts are strictly those of the author (Dale, Irv) and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of most of Canada or Canadians.

Well, of course they are. Who else would they belong to?

Are we no longer, or were we never allowed to have personal opinions on this site?

Any post from an American or a foreign member on here was suppose to represent that whole countries thoughts as well? News to me. :rolleyes:

Your post/comment is quite silly, SF, and quite embarrassing, to be honest, coming from another CDN. :o

Don't quote me but I heard PSA haulted grading services today. Announcement not official yet but it's a hot rumor right now.

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

Nor does it have anything to do with problematic media representation of anything. ;) That part is a lot more disturbing than anything else.

There were eight new cases reported in China yesterday. 8. No zeros. And that was back page news at best (you had to dig up something online that a Honolulu newspaper picked up from Bloomberg news to even have much chance of finding it at all):

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...or-first-time/

This is great news that sheds much more light on how the virus might spread (or, in this case, stop spreading). So why was it not a story from major news outlets yesterday and today? Obviously because it's not something that keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. Panic sells; subduing any of the panic doesn't.

These things are so blatant that it's hard to imagine anyone could downplay how the media spins their news (especially about the virus recently) and the negative impact that can have on society, economically and otherwise

Absolutely quoting this

:D

I was watching CP-24 up here yesterday and there was a conference with either Provincial or Federal health ministers.
The questions being asked and answered were all the doom and gloom type but legitimate questions nonetheless.

Anyways, once these were all answered, a lady in the audience asked a simple question about the recovering rates and how many people have survived this will no ill effects.
Before the health professionals/ministers could even answer, CP-24 broke from the info session and went to a "Breaking News" story about how the school boards, have yet again, rejected an offer from the gov't about their ongoing contract dispute.

We all have our opinions, and this could just be a coincidence, but this labor disruption has been going on for weeks now so I don't honestly know, considering the panic currently around covid 19, how they could break from such an important info session the moment this lady asked this question??

Things that make you go, Hmm.

That is great but where are all these young kids going to go with both parents working? To find the good side, maybe that condo in Newport I'm looking at will be cheap.:)

Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg. I'll provide the citation for you, in case you missed it. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/de...avirus-claims/

Thanks for linking it for me:
"Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible."

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

South Korea and China actually have stopped it by taking aggressive measures to do so. Just taking a “let it run its course” approach is a recipe for disaster.

You're welcome. To provide context to your quote, I added the preceding sentences to those bullet points (including your quoted one), just in case you missed that. :)

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/fa...pandemic-work/

CNN accusing "someone" of being racist and a xenophobe for calling the Coronovirus the Wuhan virus or the China Virus. Is CNN really this dumb where they, themselves, forgot what they also called it?

https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/sta...93473%3Fs%3D21

I didn't miss it, it did not relate to my point. You appear very interested in making this a Trump/NonTrump thing, I have no interest in that. Feel free to argue with others, I would rather care about my students, my family, and my friends, no matter if they wear a D or an R on their hats.

Now who can argue with genuine American gibberish like that? Just a thought, but perhaps the next time you decide to attack people for being stupid or sarcastically call them geniuses for not agreeing with you or your beloved fearless leader, maybe get someone who can read and write at better than a 9th grade remedial level to proof the post for you. The words you are searching for are "asinine", "its", and "course". The next to last sentence should read: "All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this are nut cases."

Just to be sure you don't think I am criticizing the way you expressed yourself rather than the content of your statement, I have carefully considered your brilliant defense of the regime's incompetent, late and grudging response to the pandemic and can think of only one response that seems appropriate: nuts!

[QUOTE=Exhibitman;1961926]Now who can argue with genuine American gibberish like that? Just a thought, but perhaps the next time you decide to attack people for being stupid or sarcastically call them geniuses for not agreeing with you or your beloved fearless leader, maybe get someone who can read and write at better than a 9th grade remedial level to proof the post for you. The words you are searching for are "asinine", "its", and "course". The next to last sentence should read: "All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this are nut cases."

Just to be sure you don't think I am criticizing the way you expressed yourself rather than the content of your statement, I have carefully considered your brilliant defense of the regime's incompetent, late and grudging response to the pandemic and can think of only one response that seems appropriate: nuts![/QU I really hate the spelling police, I guess your one of them. I guess your one of the people who judge everybody. Petty life you have.OTE]

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I don't remember if it was a book or a movie where Howard Hughes locked himself inside an apartment and didn't leave for months. He had boxes and boxes of tissues and would not touch anything with his hands. He closed the blinds and watched movies all day.

I remember thinking it was weird that my grandfather didn't know who the Beatles were, now I totally understand. Back to the movies... At least we can still buy cards online. I'm not planning on attending any shows any time soon...Rob

There aren't many shows in my neck of the woods, so I can't miss what I never had.

The Aviator. Also features best depiction of a plane crash on film IMO

China is full of shit. Trusting China is a disaster waiting to happen.

+1

Getting back to the original question, they cancelled the card show in Nashville today and canceled the big 3 day show in Chicago also this weekend.

Agreed. But we don’t need to trust the Chinese government. A few weeks ago their caseload was growing at an exponential rate. They would be dealing with millions of cases by now if they didn’t get it under control, way too many for them to cover up.

So while I don’t trust the Chinese government, I do believe that the situation is under control there just based on the evidence we can see.

Also South Korea, a democratic country I have been to many times, has also brought it under control and I generally to have a lot of confidence in what its government is saying.

Not sure why so many have to go off topic on a regular basis? Isn't that what the watercooler section is for?

To respond to the OP, the April 17-19 Shriners show in Wilmington MA has be canceled.

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Originally Posted by Frank A (Post 1962040) China is full of shit. Trusting China is a disaster waiting to happen.

Quote=Kyle M

I wouldn't be so quick to applaud China & Italy.

First of all, China began the cover-up of this virus in December. Numbers didn't start coming out until January, and even then & now, there is plenty of skepticism when it comes to the numbers released vs. reality. I have plenty of doubts on how much that situation is actually "clearing up" and even more doubts about the origins of the virus and China's intentions.

Second of all, Italy didn't close down Chinese travel until it was too late. They have 16 million people under quarantine, and are leaving infected, dead corpses in the homes because they aren't collecting them fast enough or at all for a certain period of time. They are even considering not caring for the elderly.[/QUOTE]


Yes, think about this for all the conspiracy folks or those who think China is our friend:

Where exactly did the virus come from? A Chinese Bio-weapons facility? Maybe someone goofed up and dropped a vial or two and it proliferated from there? Or people were purposely infected?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...gram-possible/

Or was this a clever bio-weapon test run by the Chinese to test the effectiveness of the virus (it does mutate) and also gauge the world's response to its spread?

Also to guage the resulting economic impact on the world?
China does own a huge amount of US Treasury debt.... and exports plenty of pharmaceuticals and medical components to the USA...

World War 3 without the destruction???

Food for thought...

I was the OP on this asking about any shows that might have been cancelled because of Corona and after a few days turns to this political bullshit. Can't believe how one question turns so upside down. My original question had no political question so how it got so far off is asinine. Just my 2 cents. Time to end this post.

All this mass hysteria is media created. Everyone at CNN, FOX etc., need to stop stoking the fire.

It's a Flu people.....there is the flu every year.

Read this article from 2018:

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/...deaths-winter/

80,000 died that winter of the FLU in the US (WINTER 2017-2018). WHY WASN'T THERE MASS HYSTERIA THEN??? The media was too busy going after Trump, now they get some downtime after the impeachment, lets stoke the fire. Up go the ratings.

This year 58 !!!!!!!! have died from Corona. 58 in the US.

Basically an average of 1 person per state. We have 327 million in the US. 58 have died....a mass shooting could have more then that.

This is the biggest overblown thing I've ever seen. 58 people dead. Even if that goes to 5-10,000, that ain't 80,000.

3000 people have the Corona virus, probably more, ok fine, shit 3,000 people have a flu virus in Chicago alone any given winter month on any given year.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Also. in the article flu peaks in Feb and dies down end of March. Same thing will happen here, ok maybe delayed a little and this one is about to peak in March and dies out a week or 2 into April.


China where it started, where it was the worst, 3200 have died.......1.38 billion people live there, that's seriously a drop in the bucket. And just like the 2018 article China peaked in Feb and now its dying out in March like clockwork.....see the opening of all Apple stores in China, Shit I can name 20 diseases that take out more then 3,000 a year. just amazing how this has been hyped........maybe it wasn't CNN and Fox but Proctor & Gamble behind this, they are wiping their asses to the bank...haha!!!


The pussification of America!


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