Handcut ad cards?
 

Ted,
I have a Doby hi# that has a light-colored (not gray) back and appears to have been handcut. I bought it as a younger collector before I knew that hi#s "only" came with gray backs, and I dismissed my purchase as a reprint.

This past weekend, I saw a long-time dealer and noticed he had two Doby cards in his display case. Upon examination, I noticed that one was legit/typical and the other had a light-colored back like mine, and it was also hand cut. When I asked him about the card's authenticity, he said that it was something akin to (though maybe not precisely) a box-bottom display card.

Do you have any knowledge of or examples of these yourself, or is it likely that we may both have reprints?

James

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Hi James

I don't have any reprints in my sets. And, I'm not sure I understand what a "bottom-box display card" is ?

Show me some scans, and I'll give you a better answer on this.


TED Z

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Scans
 

Hi Ted,
I feel silly even posting these, as the card looks so fake to me. If it weren’t for the assertion of this dealer (who shall remain nameless) and my card’s similarity of appearance to his, I wouldn’t have even mentioned it.

“Box-bottoms”: I’m not sure if you collected any cards from packs during the late 80s, but many of the wax boxes had cards on the box bottoms that could be cut out and saved. The assertion about this light-backed Doby card was that there was a similar situation in 1949. Perhaps a consumer bought the last pack of cards, and on the bottom of the box - maybe inside bottom or maybe outside bottom - were a few card images that could be cut out and saved - not by design, necessarily, but just for the heck of it.

Does that sound at all familiar or feasible? Have you encountered any 49B boxes that might’ve had such advertising?

Thanks for any feedback!
James

PS: all of my other Bowman card backs predictably are light or gray from #1-72 and gray from 73-240.

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Hi James....sorry for the delay, as I was away all day.

I collected these cards as a kid (Spring thru the Fall of 1949). I don't recall anything of what you are suggesting regarding the 24-count wax-pack
boxes that the 1949 BOWMAN's were in.
Furthermore, the boxes I have seen, since I returned to the hobby in the late 1970's, do NOT have anything like you are suggesting.

Now, what I can tell you is that the 1949 BOWMAN cards were REPRINTED circa 1988. All 240 cards were printed with WHITE backs.

Take a close look (under magnification) at the bottom of the back of your Larry Doby card. Look for the "Reprint" info that may have been erased.

Also, the other clue that indicates to me that this Doby card may be a reprint, is its top and right borders which are too large.


TED Z

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Just a quick note, I finally had some time to go through this thread. I'm going to create the slate listings for the COMC data base and eventually see if we have had to move over. Any help building the checklist is very appreciated.

(Ted, FYI -- I sent you an email about this and what I believe was what happened to Dan's health before his untimely passing.) Let me know via email or PM and any help with both of these is appreciated.

Rich

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Hi Rich

I don't do PM.....and, I haven't received your email. Please try again, my email is..... tedzan11@comcast.net


TED Z

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Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Hi Rich

I received your email about Dan Paley. Very sad. I've known Dan since 1981. And, interestingly we met over this topic, 1949 BOWMAN's. Danny and I for many years (1984 -2011)
traveled together to Cooperstown to set up at the HOF weekend Show at the VFW Hall. A really interesting guy, who was our local expert regarding BB cards Errors & Variations.

I'll see what I can come up with for you regarding a 1949 BOWMAN checklist of SLATE cards.

Wishing you and your wife very Happy Holidays.

TED Z
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Hey Ted, this is an interesting subset you are collecting.

Anyone attempting to collect an autographed version of each of the 1949 Bowman cards? I just bought some. Not sure how hard that would be to pursue. Tony

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Hey Tony

Since you asked. Here is a small sample of my autographed 1949 BOWMAN cards. Some of them were signed in person. Others were already autographed, so I cannot vouch for those.

One of the friendliest ballplayers was Johnny Mize. We had a really interesting conversation. I reminded him of the 1952 World Series when he single-handedly beat the Dodgers.
When our conversation ended, he invited me to visit him, if I was ever in the Demorest, Georgia area.

In 1987, on my way to Florida, I stopped by to see Johnny. He was a tremendous guy.
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...pplColeman.jpg



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Thanks!
 

Thanks Ted, and thanks for this thread. I love this set. It's my favorite and I have been collecting it for the past few years. I am nearing completion of a PSA graded set, and I have a bunch of extras of my favorite players, as well as some signed ones, some gray variations, some partial sheet scraps, etc. Next frontier after finishing the 252-card portion of the set is to get the crème and gray variations of the first 72. What a great set to collect!

Tony

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Your welcome, Tony....it's my pleasure. The 1949 BOWMAN set is my favorite post-WWII set.

The first colorized BB cards I collected in my youth were the 1949 LEAF's. LEAF's 1st series cards were available before the 1949 BOWMAN's.
And, we were thrilled to open a LEAF pack to find Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson, etc.
Furthermore, the LEAF's were great for "flipping" and/or "scaling".

Then, about a month (or so) later, the 1949 BOWMAN cards were available at our Candy stores. The BOWMAN's included Yankees players that
were not in the LEAF's......like Yogi Berra, Tommy Henrich, Allie Reynolds, Eddie Lopat, and many more. So, I favored the BOWMAN cards.


TED Z

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Slates Checklist
 

See Teds answer below, it’s more complete.

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Hi Rich

Here's my list you requested. It's the result of collecting (and tracking) these elusive SLATE cards since 1981. Listed are 64 cards, and 46 of them are in my 3rd set of 1949 BOWMAN's.
The Hi #s (#145 - 240, plus the 12 variations) are very rare. Many of them are one of a kind. Although, some years ago, I once owned two Duke Snider cards.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SislerDoby.jpg


I have listed them according to the Series they were printed in...…

1st and 2nd Series (sheets #1 & 2....issued together in certain parts of the country).

Cass Michaels

3rd Series (sheet #3)

75 Eddie Mayo
76 Bill Nicholson
78 Sam Zoldak
80 Bill McCahan
82 Joe Page
83 Bob Scheffing
84 Roy Campanella
87 Randy Gumpert
88 Bill Salkeld
91 Dick Wakefield
93 Ed Stevens
94 Mickey Vernon
97 Danny Litwhiler
98 Phil Rizzuto
102 Stan Spence
103 Dan Tipton
106 Jake Early
107 Eddie Lake

4th Series (sheet #4)

Ed Fitzgerald
111 Red Schoendienst
129 Billy Johnson

5th Series (sheet #5)

163 Clyde McCullough
169 Jeff Heath

6th Series (sheets #6 & 7)

182 Hal Peck
184 Bob Chipman
185 Pete Reiser
186 Buddy Kerr
187 Phil Marchildon
190 Jim Hearn
192 Harry Gumbert
193 Ken Trinkle
194 Ralph Branca
197 Johnny Lindell
198 Steve Gromek
199 Tex Hughson
200 Jess Dobernic
201 Sibby Sisti
202 Larry Jansen
205 Dick Sisler
206 Bruce Edwards
207 Johnny Hopp
210 Joe Gordon
211 Dave Ferriss
212 Ralph Hamner
213 Red Barrett
214 Richie Ashburn
216 Schoolboy Rowe
218 Dick Kryhoski
221 Bob Muncreif
222 Alex Kellner
224 Satchel Paige
225 Gerry Coleman
226 Duke Snider
230 Augie Galan
233 Larry Doby
235 Jim Russell
239 Frank McCormick
240 Babe Young
78 Sam Zoldak **
83 Bob Scheffing **
88 Bill Salkeld **
126 Al Brazle **
127 Hank Majeski **
143 Bob Dillinger **


** .…..these variations were printed on the 7th sheet (refer to Post #35 in this thread for more info regarding them).


TED Z

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Thanks Ted! All in the COMC Database now. I'll do a search to see if we have ever had more than the one card so far ID'd ever sent in which was slate.

Rich

Great posting and so much great information about this set of cards.

Here are few cards I have.

Since this thread has been resurrected

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

The source of many of the player's images in the 1949 BOWMAN set are the various Team Photo Packs (25 photos)
issued at the Stadiums in 1948. For example....here's the photo of Paige from my Cleveland Indians Stadium pack.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Paige50x_1.jpg


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...xdobypaige.jpg


TED Z

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Anytime ted postsi pay attention
 

I have half this set what i will tell you they have gotten very expensive.Great cards guys octavio

The 49 Bowman Leroy "Satchell" Paige is his best card, hands down, of all the cards of him ever made. He has other nice cards, but that one is the tops.

This is an awesome thread! Thanks for sharing, Ted!

Amazing cards.

It really is impossible to overstate how incredible Roy Campanella was...3x MVP during an MLB career that lasted <10 years.

You can watch Vin Scully's famous call in 1957 when 93k Dodgers' fans lit matches to pay tribute to Roy after his accident:
https://youtu.be/XfXB_THdp3o

https://sportscardinvestor.s3.amazon...d/690_1694_5-L

Out of curiosity could anyone explain why Campanella's hat, does not contain the Dodgers logo and instead is just a blank blue cap? Looks like Bowman painted over whatever logo was on his hat with a dark shade of blue paint!

I didn't even know of the PCL set before discovering this thread! You learn something new everyday!

I have seen the photo used to make the card and if my memory serves me right, it is a Montreal cap.

Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

Many of the SLATE cards are Hand-Cut from 36-card uncut sheets. However, a good number of these printing anomalies are also Factory-Cut.

The examples displayed here are the tougher Hi # cards in the set. These Hi # SLATE's are considerably tougher to find than the Lo # Slate's.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...sslateblue.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rrmccslate.jpg


TED Z

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Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards
 

In the Spring of 1949, us young dudes were mystified to get card #73 (Billy Cox) in the first series of 36 cards....but no card #4.
This 1st series uncut sheet tells the story.


--------#1---------------#2-----------------#3-----------------#73----------------#5---------
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetA%20_2_.jpg
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Please excuse the bifurcation of this 36-card sheet, as my Scanner is not large enough to scan the complete sheet.


TED Z

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This set is my current obsession. I've completed the first four series except for the Jackie. Working on series 5 and have about a third of them so far.

Frustrating to hear this might be the toughest series to complete. I like working sets by series. Finish one before moving on yo the next.

My reasonable expectation is that I will finish the set within the next year minus the big five (Jackie, Satchel, Snider, Ashburn, Doby) and then figure out a way to accumulate funds to knock those off. That may take many more years.

Have half the set snd still cant figure it out lol

What an entertaining thread. I don’t own any 49 Bowman cards, but that may soon change. I did happen to notice from the images posted that the Augie Galen card seems to be a colorized version of his 48 Bowman card (which I am somewhat familiar with after having completed that particular set)

I should also add that I find the first-hand accounts of collecting these cards as they were issued incredibly interesting. Thanks for resurrecting this thread!

Cheers,
Mark


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Progress report
 

So where are you at right now? Interesting to hear from someone else who collects this set..
Tony

49 Bowman Dodgers

Right now I have completed the first four series cards (except for Jackie) and have the first twelve cards from the fifth series. Working to add cards 157-179 right now. I'm very methodical. It's the only way to satisfy my OCD (obsessive card disorder) and give some sense of accomplishment as I go along.

1949 BOWMAN cards......
 

For us NY Yankees fans, the 1949 season was a tremendous year, and a tremendous team. Besides Joe DiMaggio, Yogi Berra, Phil Rizzuto,
Allie Reynolds, Vic Raschi, etc....there was Joe Page's tremendous Relief performances and Johnny Lindell's (end of September) Playoff HR
in the 9th inning to beat the Red Sox for the American League Championship.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eDiMaggioZ.jpg
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ndellPageX.jpg


TED Z

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The Bowman PCL...How many?
 

Hi Ted,
Great story and nice cards!
I was wondering - is there a generally accepted opinion on how many of the 1949 Bowman PCL cards exist today?
Thanks!
Jason

We lost Ted and his wonderful wealth of knowledge at the end of last year (or it might have been the beginning of this year).

Perhaps someone else on here has an idea about this topic?


Brian

I do not know how many of the PCL cards were produced or how many still exist. I was finally able to complete the set but it ws a long road finding them all, despite the fact there are no real big names in the set.

Mark Macrae who co authored the 49 PCL article with Ted is a member and has posted about it. There is also a subsequent article by Tim Jenkins for SABR

Here is a post war thread on the set where Mark posted some info

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=348776

Jenkins article

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrE...M6OLk0Xn4vInA-

Things really haven't been the same. He was a veritable fountain of knowledge, and he was nice about it.

+1 I miss Ted. He was a good guy.
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My only 49 Bowman, Bobby Doerr

I only have three myself. This is my favorite.

+2 I miss Ted.

+3

I miss him as well. Especially our email conversations that I used to have with him. A kind soul that we wish could've been around forever.

The Bowman PCL...How many? (Very Sorry)
 

Oh! My gosh, I am sorry to hear that, and certainly didn't mean to sound insensitive. I have been a member here for maybe about 20 years, but my attention has been very spotty over the last several years. Ted was fantastic to "listen to" for a long time!

Thanks for the reply on his behalf.
Jason

Jason,

While I can't speak for others, I didn't think you sounded insensitive at all! Also, I'm of the opinion that the best way to continue the legacy of such a kind person is to continue to talk about him, his contributions and the stories many of us have with him; whether it's an experience at a show or simply interacting with his posts.

Ted entertained my questions for hours when I was a kid, up in Cooperstown and I was able to reconnect with him as an adult through Net54 and even go to a Philly Show to see him, before he passed. I'll talk about him for as long as I'm involved in this hobby and I'm sure others feel the same way. You take care.

- James