What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? C'Mon Pete.....I'm am naming cards that I was familiar with....What exactly is your hard on about? Just wondering.....PSA? PWCC?

I did not know that, thank you very much. I do know that I still managed to make it to Malibu today AND with the 600HP, IT WAS STILL FAST. I could hardly keep the wheels on the ground!!! VROOMMMMM. Still. I'm feeling empty inside because I have no stroker and I really really wanted one. Just like I wanted PSA to tell me if a card has been trimmed....I had the feeling I couldn't trust them but they soaked me for a bundle the last 2 years alone anyway. I am a schmuck. I blame myself. I knew it but was under the spell.

That doesn't mean I will continue to get my teeth kicked in, like so many other dopey mc dope dopes that can't quit it.

Have a little pride and give it a rest for a while. Just say no & quit popping. It is very stupid and not very useful anyway, IMHO.

i have no hard on...atleast none for anything having to do with you, Kevin.

I just find it funny how you are bragging about having said this or that forever...when PSA/TPG'ers are at the core of this problem...and you have been about as big a fan boy for it/high grade as long as I can remember. That's it!

Back to the ice...oh wait it's summer!

A Shortened Ode
 

PWCC is alive and well
It’s just the hobby going to hell
Forum members just getting sicker
While the usual suspects bicker
How about another scanner thread?
I think the last one is nearly dead
The forum really needs some new blood,
Shit, this poem’s trimmed, another dud.

I certainly agree with you 100. The problem with the PSA system is that has create a billion dollar fraud you otherwise would never of had with out them. Maybe just in the millions.:D:D:D:D

Where’s 🍿 emoji. I’m just here for the entertainment...

It amazes me how persistent you guys are. Talking about the same things. Same lines over and over between the 5-10 guys. :D

Pete can't go ice fishing in August - so there goes your argument:)

Welcome to the Net54 boards.

Amazing.

What kind of scanner do...

if we're setting any records straight here...I have lived in MN 20 years...I have gone ice fishing ONCE!!!!!!!!!

Martin, I 100% agree with you. Those guys need to get the scandal to go away as fast as possible to protect their altered high end cards values.

The cards are in the industries most respected slabs. That should be all that matters, that and PWCC brings the best prices in their amazing completely honest auctions.:rolleyes:

Fixed that for you! I think.... I might have fixed the wrong word, but I'll stand by my fix...:D

If they're the best, I really should find someone who is organized and start my own service.
They've set the bar so low....

The guy who says *Stuff trumps all* is very cool I think. He is so right!
PWCC sales were higher this past month. Brent will never go to jail I am sick over this!

Then you need to have a serious talk with your tire and suspension guys. You're leaving sooo much speed on the table!!!

I'm one that has said they're out of the [graded] hobby.

PWCC, PSA, Brent, Joe, FBI, eBay, et cetera - who knows what will happen. I'm sitting back and

I've been building some pretty nice raw sets lately and having more fun than I did before

Who this man could be I just don't know. :)

this is the most spot-on accurate post in months. so much huffing and puffing here while the real work is being done elsewhere.

Legal type question:

If the authorities are able to prove that Moser and Brent knowingly committed fraud by selling altered items as authentic(at higher grades due to trimming, etc.) would each item sold be considered one count of fraud each?

My apologies if this has been covered in another thread. Thanks.

Not a legal answer, but if each incident was a separate count of fraud, you would need a team of mathematicians with advanced degrees to tally the total. Believe it or not I have a BS in Mathematics and would volunteer........

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I think I’ve got the hang of it. How am I doing?

Fixed that for you, Frank.

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Lol. That is what I thought. We all want quick action against the guilty parties, but it appears this may take some time.

Pay back restitution for the bad cards......some probation/community service, maybe some home detention....that's about all I see coming from this.....
there is a deal behind each and every courthouse door

Fixed it for you.
We'll see what happens, I guess. I am glad at least some significant amount has been repaid, in the meantime.

yup it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things....the same crap will always be in this industry....it's a shame....

Johnny, believe me I get it and feel your pain, but do you really think this is very different than many other industries? Unfortunately this is how it often works in the world and while this one digs a little deeper because it’s what we know and love, it’s likely just another scam in another business to the people investigating it.

Wow.....I don’t know how to reply to that.....

You don’t need to respond but unfortunately it’s sad and true. Corruption is everywhere. The mayor of NYC sells out his office to donors. The governor of NY’s best friends are in jail for taking and making bribes but he of course knew nothing. It sucks but this is life. If TPG are going to have relaxed restrictions as to how they grade cards, unscrupulous people are going to try and exploit it. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

No politics please. Net54 is a politics free zone.

Freudian slip? :D

In the past couple of years I was involved with the FBI on with a fraud/theft investigation of a non profit that I am on the board of directors for. It was incredible to me at the time how slow the investigation was going. About six months into it, I had a discussion with the Agent in Charge and asked her why the heck it was taking so long when we clearly had identified what happened and knew who the offender was. She told me that they are slow and methodical on purpose. She told me that every "i" is dotted and every "t" is crossed before they move with any indictments. She chuckled and told me that this is why you rarely see the FBI lose a case. There were so many times that I thought nothing was going on and yet below the surface there were a dozen or more people working on it. If they truly are investigating PWCC and or PSA or anyone else, they won't know it till the FBI wants them to.

It's because we stand for something. guys like you didn't even want to believe from the start how deep and how long this scam show has been running.

We are doing this believe it or not for idiots just like you martian that can't understand normal thinking. So there is a record of it, on the inter web.

Dufusas like yourself will still continue to pop and play the corporate PSA game all the while try to silence truth tellers. Did your cards pop, oh boy, they're popping, I'm so excited. pop goes the weasel. You were wrong from the beginning and you are wrong now, WAKE UP dummie. It's a scam.

While I understand your frustration, THE WHOLE HOBBY ISN'T A SCAM!!!! If you think it is, maybe you should take up needlepoint? It's safer.

Maybe Peter Nash wrote "Pop Goes the Weasel" about a PSA submission gone wrong?

What is truly amazing is that every time PWCC is the topic Goudey77 (Martin) crawls out from some rock somewhere and defends PWCC. He is on the payroll and it is obvious.

You mean the game where each of us gets to set our own rules of how to play, and can then change those rules, or change the game being played entirely, based on what we decide is in our own, or our clients, or our shareholders, or [insert interested/related party name here] self-interest? ;)

I'm not trying to be malicious or attacking, please don't read it that way. I'm smiling while I type. But, that was kind of a throw away line.

And, one other thing. I guess if we don't like it, we can just do what Joe O says and basically "take our ball home". Don't Get Cheated - Yep, now that line was PERFECT!

I will take that in the spirit in which it was given and I do appreciate that, but my point is really that in any industry there will always be people trying to game the system if given the opportunity. So for me the question is why were the Brent’s and Moser’s and apparently many others allowed to get away with this for so long when they never should have been able to if TPG’s of the world were doing their jobs even remotely correctly? To me as much as I may dislike what Brent and the rest have done, it is the PSA’s and the like perhaps who are the far bigger problem. It’s cute that Orlando and Sloan are laughing now, but as they say, he who laughs last, laughs best.

If PSA doesn’t take some accountability/responsibility In this the industry will never been the same....Well it will continue to be the same just more corrupt.....Agree on one point, industry is loaded with crumb bums