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Gotta admit that is a pretty weak way to handle this Jesse!
No mention it used to be in an Authentic holder previously? You really don't feel like that might be a important piece of information? I'm actually appalled that you feel like this is okay in any way shape or form, it also speaks volumes about Brent and his decision (despite everything that has gone on) to continue with this auction, he has learned nothing! The work on that T3 destroyed that card, the edges are obviously messed with and they really butchered the erasure on the front, just terrible. Do you guys (you & Brent) need more proof that this card was altered? I think we all know why Jesse was coming to Brent's defense here on the forum, far from an impartial observer. Overall this is pathetic! |
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Many here have cards worth far more than an altered T3 Cobb and if they were proven to be altered, stolen or otherwise messed with the vast majority here would do the "right thing." That should be par for the course. Why would anyone here have to correct someone else's mistake? It is on them not us or some keyboard warrior (ie you). |
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In our opinion the current grade of a 'Good 2' appears completely appropriate. A disgrace. |
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I read too fast and didn't see that Brent did mention that it had previously been graded authentic BUT I don't understand how a card can be holdered "AUTHENTIC" due to some alteration & then the said alterations were removed (and done so terribly) so in affect re-altering an already altered card somehow in you minds can be an accurate PSA 2? And only mentioned in small print at the end of the description? What is wrong with you guys?
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Guess this is why Jesse has remained a fan of PWCC... because they both have the same integrity. I can only hope that this information makes it into the investigation. The recent update shows the following looking into PWCC:
-FBI Criminal Justice Information Systems -The Supreme Court Of The U.S. -U.S. House Of Representatives -eBay Inc |
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They admit the card has had work done to it and that it was correctly graded as Authentic/Altered but now that it's in a 2 holder then F you, it's a 2 now sucker. |
Too funny, if it were any other AH other than PWCC Jesse would be leading the charge pitchfork in hand.
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Look at these great things Brent is still doing...
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3827 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3839 And Jesse you’re getting famous over on other forums too. |
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What about the 17 folks who have already bid on this card plus those folks that haven't yet bid but have created snipes, many/most of whom probably did so before the disclosure was added to the bottom of PWCC's eBay listing? My guess is that most of these folks won't even be going back the reread the listing's details. At least I don't after I have once read a listing's details and decided to bid on it. IMO, at the very least, some words about there being a new disclosure should be added to the title line of the listing.
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But I don't see any way to do this right. It's an altered card in a 2 holder and all the disclosure in the world isn't going to stop the buyer from reselling it without disclosure and that is a real concern. |
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Waiting on a response from Brent and I reached out to Dan as well and am waiting on his response. I will update with more information as I have it.
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I just don't see a solution for current doctored cards unless they are destroyed...or clearly mark the card in some way. At least the card that is marked in some clear way could be scanned front and back and entered into a database so that collectors could compare the card against. I don't know. just playing the guessing game here. again, this doesn't protect the cards that are not known to be doctored... |
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Here is the sale when it was in an Authentic holder
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There were a few factors in play that led to a delay in what I first mentioned would be the probable outcome after the blowout post. But I do believe that this is the best course of action at this time. |
That's good to hear. In my opinion that's definitely the right way to deal with the situation. No question it sucks as you innocently purchased the card and paid a good amount for it.
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What about if he returns it to the seller? Is that a legitimate option? I may have missed some stuff, but if someone sold me something that was found to be tainted, I’d go back to the guy I bought it from. |
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Edited - just read that this auction will be ended. Good. |
I'm glad the right thing was done.
Shame it took some backlash to get the owner to do the right thing. Astonishing to think him and Brent thought it was OK to pull a stunt like that. |
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As for the Cobb I don't really expect Dan to take it back after 2 years, unless he happens to be involved in or knows what happened to it. If he wants to reach out and discuss a possible resolution I'm open to that. I plan to contact PSA on Monday and hopefully drop the card off for review when I receive it back from PWCC. As I honestly don't know if erased pencil marks are enough for the A designation or why it it was in the A holder before I got it I am curious to see what they'll say. |
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What in gods name do you mean when you state "if erased pencil marks are enough for the A designation". I hope you misspoke. Do you see the eraser marks on the card? I do as does everyone else. That's flagrant alternation but still misses the point. Using an eraser to erase a previous stain/pen/pencil mark will remove the color from the card and likely more than that...as seen in your card that was altered. There's no excuse here. The card you purchased from Dan was altered. Plain and simple. |
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BUT, It does go to show why you like to stick up for Brent Mastro all the time with all the 10's of 1000's of fraudulent acts he has committed...your sleeping with the fraud dog & maybe you didn't get the memo that the dog has fleas? Hard to believe that with what you know, you would still do business with a F face like that, the king of trim. Imho, That card was probably recycled 3 times around PWCC for years before Dan got to it. Good luck with PSA too, they should stand right behind you! |
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1) https://www.psacard.com/resources/gr...andards/#cards Scroll down and click on "No Grade Definitions" Do you really feel that your card passes those conditions? Honestly...N-2, N-3, N-5, N-7 and AA. really? you question all of those?? 2) https://www.psacard.com/resources/gr...andards/#cards scroll down until you see "Ungradable Cards"...click on it "PSA will not grade cards that bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, restoration, or any other forms of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity." That should about do it... Please let me know where the uncertainty is and maybe i or other board members can help you out. |
Is there a therapist in the house who could help the obsessive behavior :D
My god, take a step back and don’t forget to breath, kiss your wives, hug your kids and enjoy the fact you have the income to support such a hobby. |
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About MONEY....it’s very very sad has been this way for years now....it’s just gotten worse....to many people trying to make money...with less collectors... |
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The ones posted were won by Whitman111 which is linked to Moser. |
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Almost all the others were won by whitman111 or out of an auction house before being altered. Of course they we then given a sticker and changed hands most of the time. |
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Cards were also purchased by Brent, altered, and then sold.
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The Exceptional T206 Matty Portrait has been sold by PWCC before, and is tied to Moser, Whitman111, which all can clearly see the before and after alterations... and is for sale again with PWCC... https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...39&postcount=1 I’m not sure what points you’re trying to make, besides trying to argue with people. Go buy from PWCC if you want or wherever you want... who cares? For someone who commented before about enjoying cards... maybe you should take your own advice? |
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I just sit back and learn the character of members here, by what they post and what they admit to. |
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Thousands of cards have been tied to Moser and have since been sold to unwitting buyers. Which cards that are currently listed do we know were consigned by Moser? If the answer is none, then the focus should be on notifying PWCC (and unwitting consignors) of their cards rather than assume that PWCC and consignor knows of the alleged alterations. Right? |
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Jesse and Brenty sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G |
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All PWCC does is spin cards in and out of plastic containers, altering in the process. That's the facts. AND he's been doing it a long time. EVERYTHING he touches should be considered suspect at this point. These are not acqusation any longer. They are FACTS. They are right in front of you, all you have to do is open one of your eyes just a peek. |
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And yeah, in the end, he asked that the item be taken down. But look at the all flack he got until finally did. Wow. |
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Shouldn’t Brett simply be refunding the purchaser who was duped?? Why is it selling in the auction again?? Bottom line which is the point everyone is trying to make is that PWCC can’t be trusted, Brent is a liar and a cheat... he doesn’t do anything ‘good’ for the hobby and will try and rip people off for the rest of his life... |
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If it's been graded by PSA, and it's past the return window, the seller could tell you to take it up with PSA. Or he could take the return and try to return it to his own seller or go to PSA himself.
Kind of reminds me of the thread where we discussed the theft of some rare caramel cards that were summarily sold to a dealer and spread amongst the National buyers/sellers. The theory at that time was that "good title" was not conveyed during the sale because they had been stolen. So the cards were supposed to be rebought by the sellers until they made it back to the dealer who bought the stolen cards. I'm not sure that concept is in play here, but as PSA has a grade guarantee, I'd call them first. |
To those who apparently still have a problem with the way this was handled I will say this. I found out Friday that a card I legitimately purchased was altered and bumped from an A to a 2 holder. I notified the AH immediately, and communicated back and forth via email. An agreement was reached to disclose the history and keep the auction live.
It became clear soon after that the disclosure was insufficient, and the auction was almost immediately pulled once I became aware. This was about 24 hours after the first mention on blowout. This was all going on while I was in the office and also focused on work there. I did my best to communicate in real time what was going on. I have heard back from the person I purchased the card from. He declined to buy it back for what I paid. It will go to PSA next for a review. |
Just curious who you got it from Jesse and Hi. Sucks, that there are many worked on cards in the hobby that have been holdered over the years. There shouod be a database like the registry but it has all the bad cards and cert numbers listed. It would make great cross reference for all AHs to use going forward.
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He knew about the disclosure and even posted it here in this thread word for word. |
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