OK how many months/years need to go by before you agree the 'active' investigation isnt so active.

Until subpoenas and search warrants are served I don’t think any criminal investigation is going on. An inquiry yes that’s where I believe we are at right now...

Did Betsy happen to mention in which cave Brent was currently residing, busily counting his profits and contemplating his new life in Brazil?

I know people who are actively engaged with the active FBI investigation. Just stop already, enough.

You wouldn't know, the FBI isn't going to publicly announce subpoenas and search warrants.

Cheerleader posts? The only guys crying are the people who must be holding loads of PSA cards. Their like little kids telling their mom "he did it to". The percentage of PSA graded duds is overall way greater than SGC. PSA stinks and some of you just want to cover up for the,. Disgrace. FRANK ANTHONY

The way people gossip in this small card community, i would think word would of gotten out if there were search warrants given and police tape etc around the building etc.

no but someone connected to someone would announce it in gossip...no not TMZ but in our little community, i doubt a search warrant goes quietly.... especially since it would shut me up...!

How much did we know about the Mastro investigation as it was unfolding? Your logic is ridiculous Jake.

So how would I arrange a search warrant? ;)

Key word served. Until then nobody will know, that is obvious. LE doesnt tip our hands.
My point is I don’t believed it’s even being thought of right now

I would think after Mastro, now there would be more chance of a leak then ever now.'

You know you always say everybody is wrong in everything no matter the subject area. saying i am ridiculous when we are both just giving opinions is ridiculous

Please stop ....you will find out if and when sir

Peter will say he does not agree with you and you are being ridiculous.

I guess the FBI is doing double secret probation with these guys like lambda lambda lambda was on with the university

i agree, but as time goes by, all i am saying that after 6 months if nothing is served with all the information in hand that we are getting let alone with FBI resources if nothing is served than its a non issue..

Let it play out....you can’t change anything. If they wanna pursue things further their is no rush for any LE to do so.

i agree, what usually makes LE more aggressive is when there are victims collecting and civil lawsuits like you see in ponzi schemes. However you know what i will say next.....and then peter will say thats ridiculous..

I told you I am not giving an opinion, I am in touch with people who are dealing with the FBI. Read what I write. Post 84 for one.

Wait until Monday...

I would agree with Peter if he said your comment is ridiculous.....what you commented has never come into my mind....ever...civil lawsuits are for tort lawyers not LE

and i agree with peter that you are wrong that only an inquiry is going on and your comment is ridiculous as that never came into my mind.......guess hurray for peter.

I dont think its ridiculous for LE to be more aggressive where there are victims lining up versus not so civil lawsuits do come into my mind but each entitled to an opinion...not sure why people resort to saying everyone's opinion is ridiculous as you see how it is now

Geez Jake... you cant even get a movie quote right... Dean Werner put them on double secret probation... not the Tri Lams.... c’mon man....

Dean Wormer

This is not a TV show where the crime occurs, the perpetrator is apprehended, and the trial results in a guilty verdict all in an hour. I mean, seriously, please spare me any more drivel like that. You should know it doesn't ever work that way.

Doh!!! :p

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.

right in real life there are a bunch of civil suits which would be boring for a tv show.. Bernie Madoff, had a ton of civil suits against him before anyone know about any crimes for example..

Wasn't it the other way around, and that the "after" card had the rounded corners? If so, we're only talking about a few very minor stains being removed.

Didn't you say at some point that it's a good thing that PWCC is offering restitution? Regardless of the motive, restitution is a good thing, and I'm glad it's happening.

Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...:confused:

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?

Cover up is so evident don’t think they’re doing this out of their kindness of their own hearts Newport Beach is taking care of them....do the right thing and we will update the Pop Report and come up with some new Fake News marketing to lure the sheeple back just do what’s right and we got your back...

Great point. If only PSA had truly been the gold standard so many of us believed they were . . .

I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.

Newport Beach can’t Really be this bad at their Job can they ? ....am I the only one who thinks there maybe could be someone on the inside over their connected doing bad things grading all these bad cards giving them grades
....I sure hope and pray not.....but I’m suspicious of it....

Yes, they can be this bad at their job. Beckett is definitely handing out favorable grades to their largest submitters (in fact they've even used it as a sales tactic for accounts). Look up the Joe Clemons thread on the Blowout baseball board for evidence.

But PSA just seems to be completely incapable of detecting these alterations. I cataloged the various alterations they've missed so far elsewhere, but will retype it here:
1) Trimming (even heavy trimming)
2) False rough cuts
3) Filled Pinholes
4) Missed erasures
5) Bleaching and stain removal
6) Crease removal by pressing/spooning
7) Rebuilt corners
8) Intentionally rounded corners (unnatural wear)
9) Recoloring
10) Reglossing has been accused

So you don’t think there could be something nefarious going on at PSA ???
Your take would be They just really suck at their job???

Invoice track down of whom submitted these cards for GM would be really interesting to put any possible links together....
Should be a interesting case we shall see

You guys ever have a card kicked back by PSA and wonder why? Many times it is evident with the card in hand, but unless pointed out, it's tough to notice. Imagine if hundreds and hundreds of cards, just in the PWCC subs are all doctored, some obvious ones are sure to slip by. However, they are using a pro to do this, and it's on every card. That's evident by the low grade and mid grade cards gaming small amounts. I think it's a number game, still in shock PSA cant detect them. Again, you build a better mouse trap, they'll build a better mouse

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Agree with almost all said sir good points.
One disagreement don’t give the guy the credit...the card doctor..... isn’t a Pro...many are horrendously done
PSA is no longer a authority to me....they’re a facilitator....yuck vomit..... Try and Try to get this through people’s heads but as long as people believe their cards will be worth more in their holders the PSA lines will be flooded with people spending their money for their opinion....Report on the Lines At the National to Follow

That t3 Cobb really got my goat. I didnt even need a big scan. Not a pro job by any means, and slid through. A top tier HOF card. Not sure the excuse on that, maybe 2 day turnaround? They are submitted at super express

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There have been over a hundred different Moser-affiliated submissions posted on Blowout already. It's seemingly impossible this is just a few rogue employees that have been shielding/facilitating their submissions for 20 years. They are just incompetent.
That's why when I first started asking them the tough questions two months ago the options were: INCOMPETENT or COMPLICIT?

All the evidence that continues to come out daily is that they're incompetent.

If that’s true what point is their services anymore? And I’m not in disagreement with you John, I agree. Their utter incompetence and arrogance are quite frankly at this point a do service to the hobby, or should I say industry because that’s what it’s all about.....money. They don’t care about getting it right .....sad

This is the exact right question. Since the Emperor is wearing no clothes, why should any high grade card have a value worth more than a nice looking Altered card? If enough people start subscribing to that way of thinking, the whole exponential growth curve of graded card collapses.
This is why there are only a few people discussing it on this board and Blowout, and almost nobody on the CU/PSA boards. Too much invested in the segment. If you have millions of dollars in graded cards right now, you're freaking out. The vast majority is sticking their heads in the sand, hoping that it will all just blow over and go away, protecting their asset class.

yup!

Yes Sir !!! Very well said! In agreement 100% John I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels like we do!