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Originally Posted by Aj-hman (Post 1889192)

What do I have the power to control? My actions only.

PWCC: I will never again buy from pwcc and tell people I know what has been alleged.

Gary Moser: If what has been alleged is true his legacy will always be that of a scoundrel. Have you ever stepped in dog s**t at first you are annoyed. Then you smell it or track it inside........ that is one heck of a legacy.

PSA: THE GATE KEEPER! I no longer value their product and will not buy PSA graded cards. In the event they make very possible effort to improve practices and publish the list of alleged altered cards I will then look to them for services and start to trust their brand. In the card business the card grader is where the buck stops. In the mean time I will just estimate the grade myself assign a value and hope it is not altered.

VCP/Net54 and other PWCC advertisers: I know that when I first saw the posts on the message boards regarding the trifecta of shame and saw the pwcc advertisement I questioned the integrity of the site. I trust the integrity of this site based on how it is managed and am pleased it is available to use.

The Rest: I wish ebay had a block seller feature.

One thing I am pretty certain of and that is Brent and his wife had better toughen up their vocal cards to be ready at the National to respond/rationalize/explain to their many customers just what transpired with some of these high-value cards.
As for Moser, if I were him, I would head to Rio, carefully observe the half naked lovelies on the beach and "restore" a card of Pele from time to time.

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1885957)

I agree.

I'll simply ask pleasantly or unpleasantly as I presume your original post to be purposely brief?

That asked, I think the biggest consequence of this will be necessarily beefed up security at the PWCC booth at the national.

Has anyone thought of printing up a 1 page intro to run off copies and hand out at the national? Perhaps any dealers who are set up and choose could have them at their tables to hand out?

I think the greatest opportunity for change out of this is through public relations - the more people that know - the greater "buying power" is at risk for the guilty players.

For those curious (I know I was) - I have attached a picture of Gary Moser - apparently from the NY area.

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Originally Posted by wondo (Post 1886041)

I'm taking a contrarian position. I can see SGC going away - either absorbed / acquired by CLCT or finally closing its doors ala GAI. PSA will flourish with a few bumps.

Moser will continue in some some form (albeit underground) as he has the past 35 years along with an unrelated army of doctors who beat the system.

PWCC will be the scapegoat, go away, perhaps pay the price. Or not.

I'll go on buying cards that I enjoy.

Respectfully why do you feel SGC will go away or be acquired by CLCT or Close it’s doors all together?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 1886497)

They call themselves (and charge a fee as) authenticators. If suddenly many cards that passed through their hands are proven to be altered, how can they not be accountable?

Because they’re only rendering a opinion on said card. It’s said but seems lock tight proof...

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1889188)

I am impressed you know what the FBI and SEC are doing. I wish I did.

Sometimes it helps to have connections Pete. By the way, you've made some excellent observations on this and teach people about the laws.

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Originally Posted by topcat61 (Post 1889293)

Sometimes it helps to have connections Pete. By the way, you've made some excellent observations on this and teach people about the laws.

What the FBI is doing seems obvious but what about the SEC? The reserve?

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Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1889223)

For those curious (I know I was) - I have attached a picture of Gary Moser - apparently from the NY area.

Reminds me of this guy.

<a href="http://imgbox.com/ssmQjkBB" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/f3/3f/ssmQjkBB_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1889294)

What the FBI is doing seems obvious but what about the SEC? The reserve?

Well, PWCC has tried to brand itself as a bank and lending institution.

You may have seen this You Tube video titled - How to Fix or Repair your Corners before Grading BGS PSA. Repair your Cards with the Dr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipg51mjzTo&t=691s

or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il5Qcu3AVYI

or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYVdD6WTYYU

or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKiMM8w4-Ug

There are many videos that show us how to repair damaged cards before sending them in for grading. How many of these cards are being caught by the TPG's? Probably not many. This isn't going away. It will probably get worse rather than better.

Sadly, it's true.

Perhaps it's now a case of "Money trumps all" rather than "Stuff trumps all".

Is SGC affected in all this, or is it just PSA and Beckett? I have most of my stuff graded with SGC.

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Originally Posted by VintageVinnie (Post 1889518)

Is SGC affected in all this, or is it just PSA and Beckett? I have most of my stuff graded with SGC.

A few cards, but certainly less than 1% of what’s been outed.

PWCC is more a PSA and Beckett outlet than an SGC outlet. SGC is more in AHs. If there is bad stuff out there, and there always is, it will be harder to trace IMO.

Thanks Jeffrey and Peter, that's what I was thinking as well. I'm glad I've dealt with SGC exclusively. Very disturbing to say the least.