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asphaltman 06-07-2019 02:12 PM

So does anyone else wish baseball would throw out the infield fly rule ?

jhs5120 06-07-2019 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by asphaltman (Post 1886383)
So does anyone else wish baseball would throw out the infield fly rule ?

I think the infield fly rule is a necessity. I would personally throw out the ground rule double. If the ball bounces into the stands, it's still playable. Fans can try to hide the ball from the player or throw the ball back.

packs 06-07-2019 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120 (Post 1886385)
I think the infield fly rule is a necessity. I would personally throw out the ground rule double. If the ball bounces into the stands, it's still playable. Fans can try to hide the ball from the player or throw the ball back.

I always thought it should be a ground rule triple. Hitting the ball into the stands on a fly is 4 bases, the next best thing seems like 3 and not 2.

steve B 06-07-2019 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscardtheory (Post 1886323)
Online anonymity is fraud? lol Yeah, okay buddy. Nice try. You are like the only forum I have ever seen that has people post their real identities and you wanna pretend that's how it is everywhere? Again, nice try.

Rubbish! The other two I'm active in have less anonymity than we have here.

Slipshod groups with no interest in truth and civility, sure.

sportscardtheory 06-07-2019 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1886393)
Rubbish! The other two I'm active in have less anonymity than we have here.

Slipshod groups with no interest in truth and civility, sure.

That's funny. I'm on almost every trading card forum there is and I don't post any differently here than I do in all the ones with anonymity. This has gotten way off topic though. Which is what Leon intended, I'm sure, since there was a little heat on him in this thread. It's a tactic I've seen him use many times. Derailment. And for the record, I don't have any personal issues with Leon. He seems like a good guy just trying to get by in this crazy world. I just find him a little... inconsistent, sometimes.

RedsFan1941 06-07-2019 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1886371)
Why would anyone even have to use a fake name to participate on a chat board??? So weird. I love the fact that we have to use our real name and be verified and held accountable for what we say.

it is not “so weird.” I bet it was 10 years that I lurked on this board before registering. I just didn’t feel comfortable handing over personal info just to talk about baseball cards. after I semi-retired and had more time on my hands, I decided to go ahead and register. I never thought about registering under a fake name, but I can understand why someone would do it.

as for The inconsistencies, that is one of the consistencies of this board. there are a large number of members who routinely post opinions with no name on their posts. oldjudge has more than 3000 posts and is quite active praising and bashing companies and people yet none of his posts currently contain his name. I don’t mind the rule now, and when I did, I chose not to post. it would be nice if the rule was enforced for everyone, especially when it is touted all the time.

pokerplyr80 06-07-2019 04:45 PM

This thread is an unfortunate example of what's wrong with this site. Way too much negativity and guys complaining about everything. Now people have a problem with where Leon gets advertising money from to support this free site? If it bothers you that much go find another free site to complain about. See how long it takes you to get banned if you complain about their advertisers and how the owner conducts his or her business.

Peter_Spaeth 06-07-2019 05:05 PM

The logic of the argument kind of reminds me of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself, to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and than questions the manner in which I provide it.

Tabe 06-07-2019 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim65 (Post 1886166)
GUU is a ghost town because of every reason you mention. Its a shame and Ken doesn't seem to care at all. That has pushed me to the Facebook groups which are much better anyway.

Learned all I needed to know about the "new Ken Goldin" when he had a number of autographed jerseys in his first auction where the jerseys were bootlegs. When I informed him of this, he said he didn't care that the jerseys were fakes so long as the autographs were real.

Goudey77 06-07-2019 05:26 PM

The mob mentality and social media harassment is a big cultural problem.
I have recently been attacked via my Instagram page for displaying PSA cards. I get it in the form of comments and personal direct messages.
It wouldnt surprise me if this behavior keeps up we'll soon see physical altercations at card shows in the near future.
If you want to be an internet tough guy then I welcome you to bring that same voice in the real world. Just give me one guy to say something...:mad:

buymycards 06-07-2019 05:32 PM

Boards
 
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Originally Posted by sportscardtheory (Post 1886397)
That's funny. I'm on almost every trading card forum there is and I don't post any differently here than I do in all the ones with anonymity. This has gotten way off topic though. Which is what Leon intended, I'm sure, since there was a little heat on him in this thread. It's a tactic I've seen him use many times. Derailment. And for the record, I don't have any personal issues with Leon. He seems like a good guy just trying to get by in this crazy world. I just find him a little... inconsistent, sometimes.

John, what are you trying to hide by not using your real name? What are you afraid of? I belong to many trading card forums and dozens of other websites, but I have never considered registering under a fake name.

BTW, it is nice that you allow Leon to advertise your Reddit site for free.

Rick

CobbSpikedMe 06-07-2019 05:38 PM

Honestly it's been so long since I registered here I don't remember what info I needed to provide to do so. But I can't imagine I had to give any sensitive info like SSN or credit card info. So what's so scary about registering with you're real name? I don't know, I guess I don't get it.

calvindog 06-07-2019 05:56 PM

When strong opinions are put out publicly people get pissed sometimes. And sometimes pissed people are criminals or idiots who will try to destroy your life if given the chance. How many people have had their careers destroyed for something they’ve posted on FB or Twitter? Has no one ever heard of such a thing? I’m not surprised people wouldn’t want to give their real names on this or any site which contains strangers. I understand the point of requiring real names which is to prevent that sort of damage I described from happening. But I understand the other side too.

Leon 06-07-2019 06:02 PM

Would you rather have this site be totally anonymous?

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886458)
When strong opinions are put out publicly people get pissed sometimes. And sometimes pissed people are criminals or idiots who will try to destroy your life if given the chance. How many people have had their careers destroyed for something they’ve posted on FB or Twitter? Has no one ever heard of such a thing? I’m not surprised people wouldn’t want to give their real names on this or any site which contains strangers. I understand the point of requiring real names which is to prevent that sort of damage I described from happening. But I understand the other side too.


sportscardtheory 06-07-2019 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1886463)
Would you rather have this site be totally anonymous?

Wouldn't you accomplish the same thing by keeping that info for yourself. Forcing people to literally have it public seems only to give others who could have ulterior motives, access to information on people they don't need or deserve. Everything would be exactly the same if our identities were only know by you.

sportscardtheory 06-07-2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe (Post 1886456)
Honestly it's been so long since I registered here I don't remember what info I needed to provide to do so. But I can't imagine I had to give any sensitive info like SSN or credit card info. So what's so scary about registering with you're real name? I don't know, I guess I don't get it.

Do you understand what you can do to someone having just their name.

bnorth 06-07-2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886458)
When strong opinions are put out publicly people get pissed sometimes. And sometimes pissed people are criminals or idiots who will try to destroy your life if given the chance. How many people have had their careers destroyed for something they’ve posted on FB or Twitter? Has no one ever heard of such a thing? I’m not surprised people wouldn’t want to give their real names on this or any site which contains strangers. I understand the point of requiring real names which is to prevent that sort of damage I described from happening. But I understand the other side too.

Never had my life destroyed. Have had my eBay account screwed with, got my share of racist, homophobic, profanity filled PMs/emails. I also know a scum bag sellers lawyer. That was just from fellow forum members.:eek:

I still like the name rule even if it has been used by the scum to intimidate the good guy(s) calling them out.

barrysloate 06-07-2019 06:28 PM

Whether or not you remain anonymous on a chat board is a double edged sword. In some places, if you post an opinion on something controversial, such as politics or gun control, you are very likely to receive death threats from someone who disagrees with you. And this of course can be very upsetting. On the other hand, if you are allowed to post anonymously, you can pretty much say any crazy thing you want, with no consequences. If you have to put your identity out there, you are more likely to post in an intelligent matter. We tend to be more reasoned and careful with what we say with our names out in the open.

You won't get any death threats on Net54, although we did have one poster who used to wish people a painful death when they challenged him, so that was an exception. He has since passed away. I prefer having my name posted, and don't like when others are anonymous. I've had my share of arguments on the board, but I won't respond to any attacks if that person is anonymous.

Leon's rule is if you offer an opinion on a person or business that is negative, you need to have your name out. I agree with that completely, but I know not everyone else does.

buymycards 06-07-2019 06:32 PM

Posting
 
My thought has always been that if you don't have the balls to put your name by your post, then don't post it.

Kenny Cole 06-07-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1886475)
Whether or not you remain anonymous on a chat board is a double edged sword. In some places, if you post an opinion on something controversial, such as politics or gun control, you are very likely to receive death threats from someone who disagrees with you. And this of course can be very upsetting. On the other hand, if you are allowed to post anonymously, you can pretty much say any crazy thing you want, with no consequences. If you have to put your identity out there, you are more likely to post in an intelligent matter. We tend to be more reasoned and careful with what we say with our names out in the open.

You won't get any death threats on Net54, although we did have one poster who used to wish people a painful death when they challenged him, so that was an exception. He has since passed away. I prefer having my name posted, and don't like when others are anonymous. I've had my share of arguments on the board, but I won't respond to any attacks if that person is anonymous.

Leon's rule is if you offer an opinion on a person or business that is negative, you need to have your name out. I agree with that completely, but I know not everyone else does.

Yes. The Brucii. I will say no more because I have previously made my feelings about him well known. I also agree that you need to take personal responsibility for your posts if you are posting on a controversial topic or being negative. IMO, that is only fair. If you don't want to play, don't post. Pretty simple.

Peter_Spaeth 06-07-2019 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1886473)
Never had my life destroyed. Have had my eBay account screwed with, got my share of racist, homophobic, profanity filled PMs/emails. I also know a scum bag sellers lawyer. That was just from fellow forum members.:eek:

I still like the name rule even if it has been used by the scum to intimidate the good guy(s) calling them out.

I am sorry to hear about those PMs and emails. There is no excuse at all for that.

Peter_Spaeth 06-07-2019 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole (Post 1886481)
Yes. The Brucii. I will say no more because I have previously made my feelings about him well known. I also agree that you need to take personal responsibility for your posts if you are posting on a controversial topic or being negative. IMO, that is only fair. If you don't want to play, don't post. Pretty simple.

They were a strange, complex man. I never personally experienced his venom -- quite to the contrary actually -- but what I saw was quite horrible.

And yet again I agree with Kenny, people should own their posts. It's baseball cards, not some whistleblower forum where one needs cover.

Kenny Cole 06-07-2019 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1886486)
They were a strange, complex man. I never personally experienced his venom -- quite to the contrary actually -- but what I saw was quite horrible.

And yet again I agree with Kenny, people should own their posts. It's baseball cards, not some whistleblower forum where one needs cover.

I did. And others did too. As I understand it, there was some degree of dichotomy there because he wasn't that way in person. At least that's what Barry said at the time. Don't know, don't care. The stuff he said about what he hoped would happen to my wife and family still makes me furious. I will not post about what I said about him at the time because I already did that then and it doesn't matter now, but I will say that I was not sorry, nor was I regretful, when he passed. That is the understatement of the year and that's too bad. I wish I could feel otherwise but I don't.

On another note,, this situation with Peter agreeing with me MORE THAN ONCE lately is really causing me some concern. In 20 years we probably haven't agreed more than 5 times and now this all of a sudden? I may need to reevaluate my thoughts. :)

Peter_Spaeth 06-07-2019 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole (Post 1886488)
I did. And others did too. As I understand it, there was some degree of dichotomy there because he wasn't that way in person. At least that's what Barry said at the time. Don't know, don't care. The stuff he said about what he hoped would happen to my wife and family still makes me furious. I will not post about what I said about him at the time because I already did that then and it doesn't matter now, but I will say that I was not sorry, nor was I regretful, when he passed. That is the understatement of the year and that's too bad. I wish I could feel otherwise but I don't.

On another note,, this situation with Peter agreeing with me MORE THAN ONCE lately is really causing me some concern. In 20 years we probably haven't agreed more than 5 times and now this all of a sudden? I may need to reevaluate my thoughts. :)

It's quite disturbing to me as well.

CobbSpikedMe 06-07-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscardtheory (Post 1886471)
Do you understand what you can do to someone having just their name.

Apparently not. But my name is already on the web I'm sure so I'm not too worried about it being on a baseball card forum too. Oh well. :rolleyes:

steve B 06-07-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscardtheory (Post 1886397)
That's funny. I'm on almost every trading card forum there is and I don't post any differently here than I do in all the ones with anonymity. This has gotten way off topic though. Which is what Leon intended, I'm sure, since there was a little heat on him in this thread. It's a tactic I've seen him use many times. Derailment. And for the record, I don't have any personal issues with Leon. He seems like a good guy just trying to get by in this crazy world. I just find him a little... inconsistent, sometimes.

The bicycle board/list I'm on requires full name, and location on every post.

On the stamp one, I can't think of anyone I see regularly who isn't using their own name. Most of them are well known dealers, authors and collectors.

I haven't really found other sportscard lists to be all that interesting, although Blowout seems pretty good most f the traffic there is in the "look at my grades" or "who knew Score issued cards in 92?!" sort of category.

steve B 06-07-2019 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1886475)
Whether or not you remain anonymous on a chat board is a double edged sword. In some places, if you post an opinion on something controversial, such as politics or gun control, you are very likely to receive death threats from someone who disagrees with you. And this of course can be very upsetting. On the other hand, if you are allowed to post anonymously, you can pretty much say any crazy thing you want, with no consequences. If you have to put your identity out there, you are more likely to post in an intelligent matter. We tend to be more reasoned and careful with what we say with our names out in the open.

You won't get any death threats on Net54, although we did have one poster who used to wish people a painful death when they challenged him, so that was an exception. He has since passed away. I prefer having my name posted, and don't like when others are anonymous. I've had my share of arguments on the board, but I won't respond to any attacks if that person is anonymous.

Leon's rule is if you offer an opinion on a person or business that is negative, you need to have your name out. I agree with that completely, but I know not everyone else does.

And, to be totally honest, when I joined, I'd read some oldcardboard emails for a couple years. Finally decided to check out the board, and was happy to see a few names I remembered from years ago. (I'm pretty low key in real life until I know people, and only used to get to a couple shows a year. )

Barry was one of the ones I recognized, and I figured if he was here the place might just be ok.
(Full disclosure, I never bought anything from Barry, just read the ads and wanted pretty much every card in them... )

If everyone was anonymous, I might never have joined.

Now don't go giving Barry a hard time over that!

calvindog 06-07-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1886537)

I haven't really found other sportscard lists to be all that interesting, although Blowout seems pretty good most f the traffic there is in the "look at my grades" or "who knew Score issued cards in 92?!" sort of category.

And uncovering the biggest and most wide-ranging scandal perhaps in the history of the hobby.

Peter_Spaeth 06-07-2019 10:14 PM

My Ronald Acuna Jr. Collection

calvindog 06-07-2019 10:18 PM

$10 Parking Fee is Worse Than Anal Cancer

frankbmd 06-07-2019 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886552)
$10 Parking Fee is Worse Than Anal Cancer

Yeah, you don’t want me to go there.:eek:

Exhibitman 06-08-2019 12:53 AM

Hey guys, how about a little more of this

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi.../Gehringer.jpg

and less of this?

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...poo%20toss.jpg

steve B 06-08-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886548)
And uncovering the biggest and most wide-ranging scandal perhaps in the history of the hobby.

That's what's changing my mind.
The bulk of it seems like just so much fluff, but the good bits are amazing.

kateighty 06-08-2019 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1886493)
It's quite disturbing to me as well.

Awww Kenny and Peter, I'm getting all misty eyed. This gives me hope!


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