Thanks Kevin! Appreciate the positivity.

You and Jeff are right on spot
....Why don't you give this guy a break?

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Fair enough Pete, but there is always someone that wants to bring an excited buyer down....Why?.... Bottom line is the card is graded, period....Maybe T3d 5h3rm@n can chime in.....Did I miss any letters or numbers??

Indeed -- The conversation on this card been so successful, that I'm sure PWCC will continue to look for Nice "Rubes" wherever they can find them...


:D:D:D

:confused:
Slow day at the office? You've been trolling me for the last few hours. Spend some time with your family, of they can stand you

Congrats on the purchase. My only question is what kind of wrinkle are we talking about that would drop a potential PSA 7-8 to a PSA 2.5?

a photography analogy....
 

When I learned professional photography - I learned that a photographer "makes a great picture" NOT "takes a great picture".
Perhaps now that PWCC has learned professional card auctioning they have learned that great cards are made, not consigned?

That said - Nice pick up to the op and I have sent some non altered consignments for their June auction.

Appreciate the comment.

It’s a typical faint wrinkle that shows at an angle. But a card like this I’m not too worried about the 2.5 grade. I have the exceptional sticker on it which puts it in the top 15% for eye appeal and I’d welcome anyone to show me better.

Drum roll please....

I agree Howard. PWCC does a great job of presenting the best product possible. It’s no surprise that they get a lot of quality consignments though. Including the business of seasoned veterans such as yourself. I hope you get some premium stickers on your consignments. Good luck!

Howard, I also hope you get some premium stickers.

Agreed on all points David. Thanks for chiming in.

Funny you should say that Ted I’m going to buy a spot in the PWCC vault to store my exceptional gems.

Thanks Peter.

Appreciate the comment Joseph. I don’t think controversy is immune to all sellers. It’s a risk we all take as collectors right?

I hear that wrinkles cannot be detected in the vault regardless of the technology employed.:eek:

I even sent an email over to Jackie and Joe at PSA this afternoon to see if they’d consider adding an extra registry point for these PWCC premium labeled cards. Who knows this could be the future of our hobby. ;)

That’s what we have TPG’s for Frank! :D

Not being critical, just not understanding, what's the point? Or did I miss the sarcasm font?

I don't think I've seen a more shameless plug on the net, ever? This thread reeks of it like I have never seen any before.

"My exceptional PWCC pickup". Seriously?

Exceptional, yes paid an exceptional 4x, yes 4x vcp average for a nice eye appeal 2.5.

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How many points for the purple label?? How many points because I say the card looks good?? Where do you draw the line?

Brent needs to train these guys better.

Guinness is interested.

Exceptional worthiness they say.

lol. :D

Just having some fun fellas :D

If this were your consignment Ted i'm sure you would not feel any guilt over it. So why the harsh tone as if I did something wrong by paying 4x? :confused:

I would have paid 10x and others opinions would not matter to me.

No harm no foul done here.

I like to see balance in this crazy world. So all is well now that I brought up a positive experience that went exceptionally well.

At 10x you should put together and post a wantlist.:eek:

Quite honestly i'm holding out for the Vault Marketplace that will be available later this year. There is no doubt in my mind there will be superior examples of cards I need that fellow Net54 board members cannot even offer.

Glad you like it. I just cant see what was the exceptional experience. Ya paid PSA 5 money for a gorgeous 2.5. Plenty of portrait pumpers talking how Hof portraits will take off, just seems a little rich. Exceptional for the grade, garnered an exceptional price. Awful lot of bids with pwcc from underbidders

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You forget they have fast shipping too. Very fast.

I think the "exceptional experience" quote got added out of context in this thread. I never said that. My original and subsequent posts just touched on my satisfaction of the card. The PWCC experience was nothing out of the ordinary from other sellers. Prompt communication when I inquired about topics. Quick and secure shipping. The usual stuff.

If you want to talk exceptional. It is their ability to get exceptional consignments in their auctions.

:confused: By insinuating that you had an "exceptional" experience leads one to believe your experience was way above any precious experiences you've had with purchasing cards.

I'm still not a 100% sure your thread is not a plug for PWCC or that your not affiliated with them somehow?

You seemed to go to great lengths just for some balance, imo.

I think Martin's just a guy happy with his purchase and a bit (for some of us) overenthusiastic about PWCC especially given all that's come to light recently but that's his prerogative.

Martin has also treated his supporters and detractors with equanimity leaving the piranhas with unfulfilled appetites. I'll never win an auction in which he is a bidder, and that should be a relief for both of us. ;)

Thanks Frank. Never say never...
I really enjoyed your contribution to this thread.

LOL, at 10x I will create my own stickers attesting to the wonderfulness of my cards, slap them on my nice 2s and 3s, and be happy as a dead pig in the sunshine to sell them to any willing buyer. :) To each their own I suppose.

a scanner with beer goggles, classic

you did well Martin...beautiful card
 

Martin, I think you paid a very reasonable price for a card with great eye appeal. The hobby is moving quickly in the direction of eye appeal being paramount to technical grade, and I think that's a good thing. It means hobbyists have more power in determining subjective value rather than an equally subjective grading process.

The balance between your focus and that of many others on this thread is their experience of getting a card where the eye appeal or objective flaws of the card once in hand were much different than what was depicted/described to them. Fortunately that wasn't the case with your Waddell, but that's a very legitimate gripe. See? Common ground. Now can we all move on?

I'm not affiliated with Brent. Are you?

I'd bet dollar to donuts that "fellow Net54 members" will consign some of those cards. So your idea that we can't offer any "superior examples" seems quite ludicrous.

Then its sour grapes when they don't sell for record prices.

Just to cover our bases for the next rehash

The "marketplace vault" is a "set your price" type deal. Like the BST board. Except things should sell for more through PWCC.

I can only imagine how high prices are going to be...

Quality work isn't cheap.

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Didn't Memory Lane experiment like that with something called "Own It Now"? How did that go? Are they still doing that?

There actually is a song about this thread
 

Goudey77:

"So in love, sad as could be
'Cause a pretty face got the best of me
Suddenly you came into my life
And gave it meaning and pure delight"

frankbmd:

"But I know beauty's only skin deep
Yeah yeah yeah"

(Yes indeed)

It's a miracle he got away with that song, imagine singing to a woman, a pretty face you may not possess.

the miracle was smokey.

Very well said James. Subjective value! I couldn't agree more and hope others realize that this is the trend moving forward. I understand old habits die hard.

From my understanding the vault marketplace will be for cards that are stored in the PWCC vault. It is also my understanding that Net54 members don't use use their services ;)
If i'm wrong i'd welcome those who do use PWCC services reach out so we can privately discuss our experiences, ideas and strategies moving forward. It really is an exciting time to be back in the hobby.

Hi Martin, I remember you posting about the cracket Jack price increases a month ago.


"I am shocked at the vcp data for how much prices have jumped in 2017, 2018. I cannot make sense of the erratic price on a card that has been around for over a hundred years. Price trends for 100 years do not support the new going rate."


I guess the answer is eye appeal. Also, I happened to notice you are in the Pacific NW, curious how far are you from Oswego Lake? A lot of strategies being discussed up there.

And it gets even better, PWCC promised today to stop dealing with card doctors!! Of course, I guess that's sort of an admission that they have been, but whatever. The glass is half full, or at least a quarter.

I spoke to a former IRS agent from the Criminal Investigation Unit today and I explained to him what Brent is doing with his vault. He told me I must have rocks in my head to think that is legal. Notice I am not inserting a winkie emoji, Martin.

To paraphrase Mark Antony.

But Brady says it's not about sales tax, and Brady is an honorable man.

Sales tax? What sales tax? You mean the vault allows people to evade tax? Oh my god what an awesome unintended benefit!

If you keep profits in your all new PWCC money market account, you dont have to pay tax on those either. He's moving to the Caymans

And next will be the PWCC IRA, you can hold baseball cards -- I mean assets --- just like a gold IRA.

I wish I had the sticker:(

FYI...

https://twitter.com/neuhartcards/sta...334095874?s=21


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I’m an Oregon resident. Nothing but a coincidence. It’s a hot market for the west coast.

May I remind you that this vault is a multi million dollar investment by the company. Probably wise to do research before making assumptions and getting counsel from random professionals on the matter. Because the due diligence has absolutely been done by those with skin in the game.

Fixed it for you. ;)
Having a little fun. Let’s loosen up this joint.

It's unfortunate a similar level of due diligence was not done with all the consignors PWCC now has to sever ties with (or claim to) to try to save its battered reputation.

Would it be better if I spoke to a top NY criminal defense attorney?

Here is the basic contour of the issue from an online source.

Just remember, avoiding the tax at checkout doesn’t mean you’ve avoided it forever. You are liable for use tax if you bring the goods into your state or have them shipped to you. States historically didn’t enforce use tax except against businesses, but that’s changing. Many state income tax forms now collect use tax, and remember, you sign tax returns under penalty of perjury.

I would be surprised if all the cards being shipped to the vault are going to be resold through the marketplace particularly those purchased at record prices. I suspect a high percentage will be shipped from PWCC to their owners.

Meh, random professional.

You now have crossed the line, for me, to sounding like a company shill. I had given you the benefit of the doubt.

The posts from the guy criticizing the OP for how much he spent on a card crossed the line of what should be acceptable on this forum, in my opinion. The comment you quoted actually sounds accurate. I don't believe they would build the vault without looking into the legality and tax implications.

There's a difference between "I don't believe" and "Because the due diligence has absolutely been done"

What about building a business without looking into the legality of conspiring to defraud people by knowingly selling altered cards?

Those are strong allegations that I haven't seen proof of. If you know something I'm unaware of I'd be interested to hear or see what it is.

And to Scott I don't think it's a stretch to assume due diligence was done.

I agree, I would assume so, but I don't KNOW.

Have you read all the threads on Blowout identifying specific altered cards, and PWCC's own statement here that they will now "cease" doing business with card doctors? What is the necessary implication of that statement?

Edited to add 93 more today
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1293843

Not all, I don't go to blowout often. I didn't see any evidence that pwcc knowingly sold altered cards there though. I don't think refusing to accept consignments from known or suspected card doctors will change much.

Hey jack, send this card in to pwcc for me. They banned my name or address. Not a hard thing to get around.

Just posted from Brent himself. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.