Haven't seen this one...

Resurrecting this old thread for some early Wagners:

E107
M101-1
1902 (I think) Pittsburgh team photo
W600 type 1
1897 (I think) Patterson Silkweavers team photo

Great cards Ryan, thank you for showing them. I love seeing the e107 & w600 (same image) together, special special cards.

1896 Ryan!
This is from the Wednesday May 27th 1896 Paterson News:

My best...

His two m113 releases, the top from Sept 1909, the bottom from Dec 1913.

My only contribution

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Wagners
 

Pete - it’s a shame you don’t own any “rare” Wagner’s….LOL. Incredible scarcities Pete!

One of these Orange Border Wagner cards was shown previously in this thread, but that was so 4 years ago, and it didn't have jagged borders like this one.

Brian

One I don't think I had ever scanned or shown

Scarce cigar label proofs. I’m grateful to have come across these at the National a couple of months ago.

Aaron, those are incredible! Nice snag

Wagner
 

As usual really great items. Those cigar bands are cool as hell. Don`t have much to contribute but here`s a couple Honus items from the collection.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6b3e5c51_c.jpg1947 Snapshot Honus Wagner by Hugh Murphy, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/4360/3...c0cb8de2_c.jpgF1829D37-B280-4D92-94F1-10D2D19BA38C by Hugh Murphy, on Flickr

Love the way this thread starts. The W600 Wagner in the Burdick catalog is definitely one of the cards that drew many collectors to the hobby. Such a beautiful card. Thank everyone for sharing such a wonderful assortment of Wagners!

Ryan:

You might already know this but HOF Executive Ed Barrow is also pictured on that Paterson image (middle row, second from left).

Love the graphics and details on those cigar proofs

Thanks Peter, that’s awesome info!

Phil, I did not know that. Very cool bonus.

Type 1 of Honus rubbing down a 1912 model "spit ball bat". Prior to his 1947 season as a coach.

Apologies for the poorly taken image.
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Thank you chiprop, Hugh, & Jeff.

Without any…let me rephrase…with very few tobacco cards issued of the Flying Dutchman, you can see that this thread is much more devoid of cards versus the Ty Cobb thread.

I would think that the dearth of cards available of Hans probably accounts for his relatively higher prices. I know that Wagner is a glaring hole in my “rookie” collection. I’m still holding out for an affordable NCP or M101-1.

Derek:

Affordable used to mean $10K. Nowadays mid 5-figures. I'm still looking for one of those as well.

I used to have 2 M101-1's at different times as well as an 1896 Paterson team photo button issued by Whitehead & Hoag.

My only Wagner.

I paid $82.5k for my M101–1 graded BVG 2.5. I think it’s a $250k item in the future as the collecting/investing community continues to accept supplements as potential rookie pieces or “cards”. And, if/when PSA slabs these, look out. See what’s happened to M101-2 since PSA started slabbing them

Michael, that is a great piece

According to PSA's Pop Report they have graded 1 M101-1. I think a Delehanty graded A. I sent PSA an email a week ago asking if they still grade M101-1 and haven't heard back. Are we as a group sure they are NOT grading M101-1?

Not 100% sure but I believe they don’t fit inside their largest holder. The Delahanty was probably trimmed down to where it would fit, hence the “A” grade.

At that price point for the M101-1, I might have instead opted for the National Copper Plate that’s potentially a year older and has been sitting on eBay for years now. Listed for $75,000 as a BIN o/b/o. I would imagine that there is a good chance that $50K would do it. Looks very clean to me as well. I don’t know the seller personally but not sure how much faith I would have spending that kind of money there.

Not easy getting Washington into this thread, but I do have the Dutchman at the 1933 World Series.

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1697109635

Wow, opening day yesterday on the REA auction and the 5.5 Honus already at 50!

You’re on a roll, adding that one to your trove? It’s a stunner for sure.

Phil - Why do you think that the National Copper Plate Wagner could potentially be a year older than the M101-1? The title states “Louisville, 1899” on it.

The M101-1 was definitely included with the August 19,1899 issue of The Sporting News.

we shall see..

You’re right, Kevin. I wasn’t looking at the NCP when I posted that so wasn’t aware that the date was printed on it. Memory isn’t as good as it used to be. :)

Nevertheless there are good reasons to think the NCP predates the Sporting News. Many of the NCP players were older stars left off the Sporting News issues (Anson and Ewing and Hoy, for example), with dates in 1898 on many of them. And some of the differences make it even more clear, such as RJ Wallace’s two cards, with different teams and dates. That said, it seems like the NCP was completed as 1899 rolled on, perhaps, since it contains some unique 1898 issues but also several 1899 cards that look identical in picture and wording to the Sporting News issues of the same players. It’s possible the Wagners were closely or simultaneously issued, but it seems extremely unlikely the Sporting News was issued first. Kevin may have more info.