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Buythatcard 05-01-2019 01:08 PM

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If it works for PWWC, maybe it will work for me. I have also implemented the sticker system.

swarmee 05-01-2019 03:29 PM

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/DLAAA...fMX/s-l800.jpg
If they start stickering cards that are worst for the grade, here is a candidate.

lowpopper 05-01-2019 11:25 PM

Message to all
 
Hey guys,

It is understood that the majority of the contributors to
this board do have superior knowledge in grading than
your typical collector. Top collectors and dealers for the
most part, CAN certainly identify what looks high end for
the given grade. These people do not need a sticker
or person to direct their thought processes.

Think about this however: What about the vast majority
of collectors who do not deal with grading every single
day? Could they not benefit from some assistance with this
concept? If you can rattle off the centering parameters
for an entire company’s grading scale, then the stickers
are probably not for you. Some people do need some
guidance however. If you have an eagle eye, it does not
mean everybody else does. “Joe Collector” out there might
not even know what grading standards mean in the first
place. Just remember that some of us happen to be blessed
with a skill set that not everybody is fortunate enough to
master. There are people out there who can benefit from
some consultation regardless of whether or not an auction
house is profiting from it. Other stickers are coming. It’s
not just about PWCC.

Could more stickers ultimately dilute the PWCC product?
Possibly, but this could very well be a universally accepted
standard 10 years from now. Coin grading is on a 70 point
scale (30 are used) and it is an accepted practice to grade
them A, B, and C quality within a grade. That is 90 grades if
I’m not mistaken. CAC stickers are a real thing. Price guides
have a separate column for slabbed coins that are stickered.
Coins also have numerous positive qualifiers: FS, FB, CAM,
DCAM, FBL... the list is enormous. Why this is not used on
cards sets like 89 Upper Deck for “Full Hologram” is beyond
knowledge I am privy to. Nonetheless, given the evolutionary
climate of the hobby in conjunction with a moderate amount
of extrapolation, I can assume we will see it some day.


I make the coin grading comparison because it pre-dates the
entire card hobby and has a much bigger overall market.
Stickers have been an accepted concept in coins for years
along with others that we seem on the cusp of. Observing the
evolution of coin grading seems to be the crystal ball for cards.
Most card graders use 19 or 20 grades in there scale
and that is a relatively recent scope. Not too long ago, it was a
10 point scale, right? Considering how every cards is unique,
those are still pretty small numbers. If coins have a 30 point
scale which is then separated into 3 categories of quality, I
see card grading dissected much further in years to come.


Oh and I know everybody loves to bash Brent, but the guy
seems highly intelligent and creative. Going after him for
every little thing reminds me of the steroids in baseball
controversy...the guys who play the best receive the most
criticism. If PWCC wasn’t a literal powerhouse, all this would
be non-topic. I personally love seeing all the new ideas not
only thought of, but actually put in motion. A new concept
can’t be accepted until someone introduces it to the world
first. The auction house residing only on eBay, the stickers,
the vault which can directly turn your auction winnings into
managed commodities/futures. Oh and you can borrow cash
against your equity. Who else is doing that on a large scale?
It’s all genius stuff. I believe we will look back and say the
guy was a hobby pioneer...Brent, game recognize game. Real talk.

chalupacollects 05-02-2019 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1874135)
I don't see the conflict. One doesn't need to be a "professional grader" to see that a card has great eye appeal given its technical grade.

But by putting a sticker on the card they are grading it! Using their own little system....

itslarry 05-02-2019 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1874239)
Go play with your wrestling cards and let the grownups talk baseball cards :rolleyes:

Buwahahahaahahahahahaha
This had me dying

samosa4u 05-02-2019 01:59 PM

VintageToppsguy,

First of all, you have no right to poke fun at what other people collect. Wrestling cards are great and some of them sell for quite a bit of money. They have a great future.

Secondly, your comments just remind me of all the guys who laughed at me when I showed them my Pele rookies. Why don't you go on Heritage auctions right now and look at the past sales prices. They are selling for a sh*tload.

And finally, yeah, wrestling is made up, but when a 280 pounder slams you head first, and you feel like you're going to die - THAT is real pain, buddy.

Have a nice day

Dpeck100 05-02-2019 06:15 PM

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Actually I have 66 years in the hobby.

I had the pleasure of watching "The Great Malenko" live as a teenager in the Tampa Bay area. You probably don't even know who this is?

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And you think your credentials are impeckable. :D

Just saw this on Twitter.

Thought you might like it.

frankbmd 05-02-2019 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1874572)
Just saw this on Twitter.

Thought you might like it.

Gordon’s wrestling interviews were an art form that attempted to legitimize entertainment that pretended to be a real “sport”.

If you knew the script, betting on wrestling was not only a body slam, but a slam dunk as well.:eek:

Dpeck100 05-02-2019 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 1874522)
VintageToppsguy,

First of all, you have no right to poke fun at what other people collect. Wrestling cards are great and some of them sell for quite a bit of money. They have a great future.

Secondly, your comments just remind me of all the guys who laughed at me when I showed them my Pele rookies. Why don't you go on Heritage auctions right now and look at the past sales prices. They are selling for a sh*tload.

And finally, yeah, wrestling is made up, but when a 280 pounder slams you head first, and you feel like you're going to die - THAT is real pain, buddy.

Have a nice day



This clowns posts are comical.

There are only two cards from the 80's in a Mint grade that sell for more than this card. Both are Michael Jordan cards.

He can make fun of me all he wants. I find it very entertaining.

ullmandds 05-02-2019 07:41 PM

i'd like to own an andre rookie!

Peter_Spaeth 05-02-2019 07:54 PM

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Slightly different genre I guess as this is Olympic wrestling, but this card -- not expensive though hard to find -- is a favorite of mine.

Aquarian Sports Cards 05-02-2019 07:57 PM

Commie

Peter_Spaeth 05-02-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1874613)
Commie

Arguably the most dominant athlete ever. He had some absurd unbeaten streak until he lost to Rulon Gardner in a controversial Olympic final. A decade or more, I think it was. A fascinating man too, despite what you might assume from his looks he was an avid chess player and a student of the arts and literature. Eventually won elected office.

calvindog 05-02-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1874615)
Arguably the most dominant athlete ever. He had some absurd unbeaten streak until he lost to Rulon Gardner in a controversial Olympic final. A decade or more, I think it was. A fascinating man too, despite what you might assume from his looks he was an avid chess player and a student of the arts and literature.

Pinko

Peter_Spaeth 05-02-2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1874616)
Pinko

Tough crowd, Jesus.

Dpeck100 05-02-2019 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1874612)
Slightly different genre I guess as this is Olympic wrestling, but this card -- not expensive though hard to find -- is a favorite of mine.

That card is very rare and especially in a mint grade. This guy was a beast of a man.

There are two other great cards in set. Randy Couture and Kurt Angle.

I bet if an Angle 9 surfaced it would go deep in the hundreds.

Dpeck100 05-02-2019 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1874605)
i'd like to own an andre rookie!

It is a great card in any grade. Andre was one of a kind and worthy of honor on a trading card.

Peter_Spaeth 05-02-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1874619)
That card is very rare and especially in a mint grade. This guy was a beast of a man.

There are two other great cards in set. Randy Couture and Kurt Angle.

I bet if an Angle 9 surfaced it would go deep in the hundreds.

I believe Rulon Gardner is in that set too. Notable if only for doing the impossible, defeating Karelin.

calvindog 05-02-2019 08:19 PM

I remember that match like it was yesterday. Similar feeling to the Douglas/Tyson fight.

Dpeck100 05-02-2019 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1874628)
I believe Rulon Gardner is in that set too. Notable if only for doing the impossible, defeating Karelin.

He is.

I had to sit through a motivational speech this guy gave and it was the worst 45 minutes at a conference I have ever had to endure.

vintagetoppsguy 05-02-2019 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1874600)
This clowns posts are comical.

The guy that collects cards that look like they come from a Happy Meal wants to call me a clown? You're a joke!

Picked up any new Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokeman or Magic cards lately? :rolleyes:

Do you even own a pre-war war baseball card or are you just the PSA troll that I believe you are?

aloondilana 05-02-2019 09:36 PM

Leon,
Please make a like button.
Because I'd be liking everyone of vintagetoppsguys posts!!

Throttlesteer 05-08-2019 04:53 PM

Sorry to bring this "gem" of a thread back up to the top. But, I've looked at a few PWCC cards currently up for auction. It appears their new eye appeal grades aren't actually being accompanied by a sticker of any sort. So, did they move away from stickers altogether and just assign their "grade" to boost the bidding?

I could be wrong, but several of the "A" and "E" eye appeal cards didn't have any additional stickers affixed. I'm not arguing for or against the change, I'm just simply asking the question.

Peter_Spaeth 05-09-2019 12:21 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-...E/352652483287

The altered Mantle. No sticker on the main pic, but if you scroll down further, it has one.

Goudey77 05-09-2019 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Throttlesteer (Post 1876128)
Sorry to bring this "gem" of a thread back up to the top. But, I've looked at a few PWCC cards currently up for auction. It appears their new eye appeal grades aren't actually being accompanied by a sticker of any sort. So, did they move away from stickers altogether and just assign their "grade" to boost the bidding?

I could be wrong, but several of the "A" and "E" eye appeal cards didn't have any additional stickers affixed. I'm not arguing for or against the change, I'm just simply asking the question.

I have already emailed them about this since I was interested in a few of the current auctions with the rating. They said the new stickers were not available at the time of the scans/listings. But they would be applied to the cases before shipping out.

So short answer is yes they have new stickers. I'll post a photo when I receive my "exceptional" card.

Goudey77 05-09-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1876287)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-...E/352652483287

The altered Mantle. No sticker on the main pic, but if you scroll down further, it has one.

Thanks for posting that I did not notice they had shown the new stickers yet. New sticker design has very nice eye appeal. :D

darwinbulldog 05-09-2019 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1876291)
Thanks for posting that I did not notice they had shown the new stickers yet. New sticker design has very nice eye appeal. :D

And technically it's fair.

Aquarian Sports Cards 05-09-2019 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1876291)
Thanks for posting that I did not notice they had shown the new stickers yet. New sticker design has very nice eye appeal. :D

Ooooohh, maybe we need a sticker for appealing stickers!

bobbyw8469 05-09-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1876330)
Ooooohh, maybe we need a sticker for appealing stickers!

Are the purple stickers that someone else was pushing still a thing?

bobbyw8469 05-09-2019 03:24 PM

Pretty soon there are gonna be 20 stickers.....and quarter grades......

Aquarian Sports Cards 05-09-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 1876340)
Are the purple stickers that someone else was pushing still a thing?

Considering public submissions are still "Coming Soon" I'd say reply hazy ask again later.


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