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Ok. Probably a dumb question but I'll pose it anyway. Are there any PSA cards with multiple qualifiers? I've never taken notice of any. Of 40 million cards graded I would expect some OC card to also have a mark, stain, or print defect right? Of course miscut and off center would not make sense but I might expect some of the other combos. Example is the '68 mantle with ST on the top of this thread is also OC correct?
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Check out this old thread: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=264424 With regards to the 1968 Mantle, it fits into the PSA 7 centering guidelines, so there 'was' (I have since eliminated the wax/gum residue and resubmitted it) only the stain qualifier to be considered. |
I've never seen a card with multiple qualifiers.
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A Four Top(ps)...
Here is another group of sharp cornered HOF'ers. The 1957 Topps Larry Doby #85 has a bit of extraneous 'snow,' but is otherwise pretty sweet, the 1966 Topps Whitey Ford #160 is extremely sharp, but true to form it (unfortunately) sports a highly dominant southpaw side, the 1972 Topps Rod Carew IA #696 helps with my slowly building 1972 PSA 9 high number set, where I grab up OC's if they're not too badly off-kilter, and the 1973 Topps Mike Schmidt #615 high number rookie card is really nice if you're able to ignore the stain. I'm waiting for PSA to get back to me on my request to have the 'PD' properly changed to 'ST'... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1d374be2_h.jpg |
These don't bother me much, since centered cards from this set are tough to come by at all.
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A big HUH???...
The 1962 Topps Green Tint Wally Moon #190 appears absolutely perfect. PD???? What PD???? Usually there's extraneous red or blank ink all over the place on GTs that get hit with a 'PD,' but this has just a touch of snow that is irrelevant when looking at it in hand. And speaking of snow, I've heard of yellow snow, but 1972 Topps Fergie Jenkins #410 is really pushing the envelope with a bit of blue snow. Perhaps someone used a Swiffer on 1963 Fleer SP Joe Adcock #46, because this sucker has no stains front or back (where is often found a bit of cookie or wax residue). This card is the poster child for how PSA graded cards earlier on with a quick ST or PD trigger finger. And finally, the 1963 Fleer Ruben Amaro #50 is actually a bit OC top to bottom, but man is it a sharp card, so I was happy to add it... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9e41a535_h.jpg |
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With prices rising so quickly on everything, I have really upped my bargain hunting game, and the result is these eight high-grade 1961 Topps O/C high numbers. Pretty sweet! I negotiated a deal for all of them (not off ebay) and am really happy about it.
First off, #523 Joe Gibbon is a really tough to find high number in higher grade. They are always snapped up quickly. If you search past ebay auctions (I exclude all of the sc*mbag card doctors), there is only one card that sold recently, and it's posted below. That straight 7 (which is crazily O/C) sold for almost 4 times as much as what I paid for this one, and I'll take mine over that one any day of the week. It is just pushed a tad bit to the top. And take a gander at #537 Bobby Locke and #557 Jose Valdivielso, each just a mere hair off center top to bottom. A pair of sharp-ass 9 OC's!! The PSA 8 OC #547 Leon Wagner also has similar centering... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...300c1dec_h.jpg These four (#528 Pedro Ramos, #532 Bob Hale, #546 Marty Kutyna and #551 George Altman) are a bit tougher to look at for many collectors, as they suffer the indignity of side to side centering anomalies, but I got them at a real nice price and they have sharp corners... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a70dc1c5_h.jpg Attachment 439163 |
OC cards are undervalued and great buy in a lot of cases.
A lot of ppl compare a 8OC vs. a strong 6. Saying rather get the 6. But there's a lot of weak 6 I rather get a 8OC instead. Strong color. Bold color. Great registration. Shape bright paper stock. A card is not only about the centering |
Get 'Em While They're Hot...
The 1961 Topps Mickey Mantle All Star #578 High Number is just a card you 'need' to grab if one becomes available at a relatively decent price in this insane market. The 1963 Topps Juan Marichal #440 is the embodiment of 'meaninglessly' OC cards. Because of the colored bottom borders in that set, when an image is pushed up a bit, it really doesn't matter at all aesthetically, as it may on a white bordered card. The 1967 Topps Willie Mays #200, has an obvious gum stain on back, but 'Sey Hey' cards are on a steep incline, so I felt good about grabbing this one before things get even more batsh*t crazy. And the 1971 Topps andy kosco (sic) #746 is a jet black, sharp cornered high number, so who the heck cares about that 'off' centering... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9cb71e4c_h.jpg |
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A stain upon the silence...
The 1959 Topps Luis Aparicio #310 is what I call an "Opportunity Accost" - unexpectedly coming across a card and knowing if you don’t buy it at that price, the next person who sees it will undoubtedly jump on it. It's nicely centered and there are very, very minor (and easily-ignored) gum stains on the back. Before the internet existed, just seeing a 1963 Fleer Checklist was a fantastical experience, the embodiment of rarity. Nowadays, it still holds a great deal of that same magic for many of us. The (air quotes) "off center" 1965 Topps Clete Boyer #475, is an 'ancient' relic I remember from my youth. One of my brother's friends gave us a stack of very old cards (I assumed he gave up collecting so he could learn guitar and start landing chicks??) and a round-cornered Boyer with another Yankee I had never heard of, Tom Tresh (whose name obviously made me laugh), were a part of it. And the 1972 Topps Nolan Ryan #595 is a beautiful looking (read as 'no tilt,' and ignore the Mets uniform with the airbrushed abomination of a hat), quickly escalating card... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...003f42ed_h.jpg |
Overpaid my welcome...
When I bought most of these, the prices might have been considered relatively 'stupid,' but I knew a month later they would look like sweet bargains, so I grabbed up each of them. The centering on the 1961 Topps Ernie Banks #350 ain't be bothering me none, as there's a decent amount of white space on all four sides. The 1968 Topps 3-D Jim Lonborg is just an awesome rarity to behold. The stain is easily-ignored gum/wax(?) on its blank back. I'll take that qualifier any day of the week. This card is beautiful, and Topps really dropped the ball by not pursuing this avenue of cards. Packs of these guys would've flown off the shelves, the way boxes of Corn Flakes did for Kellogg's instead. The (pretty nicely centered for this card) 1969 Topps Pete Rose #120, is what I call "leggy." If there's a future group sub, I'm going to bust him out and work away the 'invisible' gum/wax with some panty hose for a re-submit. And the 1974 Topps Tom Seaver #80 (somewhat awkward tilt aside) is just one of my all-time favorite cards, showing the grunt-filled follow-through of 'Tom Terrific' at Shea on a sunny day with a capacity crowd cheering him on, probably during my Mets' push to the World Series in 1973 (and the John 'The Hammer' Milner cameo makes my heart smile every time)... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...42858400_h.jpg |
When they mark a card PD what's the defect usually?
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Attachment 448054Attachment 448053 It's either due to the speck of white to the right of his eyes or the tiny bit of black invading the the left corner of the green diamond on back. I just don't get it...but it's still a beautiful card. Edited to add: other common 'print defects' are things such as print lines, or erroneous color shifts and whatnot. |
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What PD???
Finding a print defect on that ‘61 Banks card is VERY questionable.
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=265200 Post #49 has the 1961 Aaron MVP, and further down I added the Banks one. Granted, they are only the fronts of the cards, but it's still pretty crazy. |
Alright, since you posted in my B/S/T, I'm putting this here :D
I'm posting my 1965 Mantle PSA 6 first. Decent centering, but look at the back https://i.imgur.com/tsHFDtCl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tp2PWoFl.jpg Now here's the one PSA wouldn't slab that I've got for sale. All around this one is a sharper card with better color. The back is miscut, but is it that far off of the PSA 6 back? Let me know what you think. https://i.imgur.com/LRdvAQ5l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/A5wjkJWm.jpg?1 |
Definitely research the PSA N:8 designation. It doesn't seem to mean the traditional 'miscut,' where a piece of the front or back (even the tiniest sliver) is missing/going off the edge. Your card is NOT miscut in that sense. I believe a card that is cut/shaped wrongly (maybe having non-straight bulbous edges and whatnot) gets the N:8 knockout. Know what I mean? They should've used a word other than 'miscut' to make the determination clearer.
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1952 Bowman- VG/EX 4 (MK)
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I've got this VG-EX 4 with a MK (blue pen mark on the reverse) qualifier...and, I couldn't be happier with the card. Picked it up just before the market explosion and couldn't afford it at twice what I paid.
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Twin killing...
The 1957 Topps Tony Kubek #312 (with the odd position of "Outfield") is a triple threat - a Yankees card, a rookie card, and a tough semi-high series card - all wrapped together in an awkwardly reworked photograph. He and Bobby Richardson are both members of that elite club, and I was happy to pick him up (that's what she said!!). And the 1975 Topps Mini Brooks 'Tiny Brim' Robinson #50 is just a touch off in the centering department, but clearly not too bad at all. I grabbed it quicker than a line drive hitting leather at the hot corner... Attachment 454738 |
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I just posted this on another thread...but probably belongs here more. As mentioned, the brother card to the Kubek...the ST is some wax on the back. Last card for my 57 set...
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Back in the (side) saddle... (Get it? Off centered.)
The days of getting nice cards with qualifiers at nice prices has clearly ended, so I grabbed these four guys while I still could. The centering on the 1969 Topps Roberto Clemente #50 is usually pretty awful side-to-side, so I was happy to pick up this guy with the very-much-less-bothersome glitch in the top-to-bottom department. The 1959 Topps Bob Hale #507 (just like the Bob Gibson RC) is a high number with the image nearly always found sliding off the side of the card. The "stain" designation is a puzzler. It might refer to the gentle toning on back? Not sure, but it looks quite natural and any normal collector wouldn't give it a second thought. The 1974 Topps World Series Game 2 #473* serves as the epilogue to Willie Mays' storybook career. He got short shrift that season due to all of the hullabaloo surrounding 'Hammerin' Hank.' Too bad. Along with the 1976 Topps Reggie Jackson #500, I just felt it was a good time to pick up those sharp-cornered cards at really decent prices. Lord knows how high the dollar signs will fly tomorrow... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fad55328_h.jpg *So many people think back to the 1973 World Series (with lament for us Mets fans) and focus on the infamous 'out' call at home plate which forced the Say-Hey Kid to his knees. That is the game referenced on the card. What a monumental moment, as the great Mays seemingly realized his legendary time on the field would soon be over without a second championship ring. But what most fans don't seem to realize is the Mets actually won that game in 12 innings!! Here's a custom card I created a while back... Attachment 459476 |
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The 'Q' in qualifier stands for quality...
As I continue to slowly amass the big names from the set in PSA 9 OC (not very OC) shape, this 1973 Topps #130 Pete Rose fits in nicely. The picture probably just captures a foul pop-up, but it's a pretty cool shot that's a departure from the usual game-action scenes, and really works well to offer the collector something slightly different. The 1976 Topps #98 Dennis Eckersley is what I call Leggy - a graded card with an ‘ST’ qualifier that can be easily eliminated by using a pair of pantyhose to wipe away the ‘invisible’ wax or gum residue on it. You can't even see where the heck the supposed stain is. I damn straight jumped on this perfectly centered 'Eck' immediately!! The 1957 Topps #307 Jack Phillips is another tough series card with a bit of non-problematic wax/gum residue of back, while the 1965 Topps #188 Sam Bowens is just a beautiful card that I was able to grab up cheaply, so I said what the heck. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c7ea1d60_h.jpg |
A Queue of Qs...
This high number1961 Topps #559 Jim Gentile is nearly identical to the other one I posted a while back, so now I have doubles. His card is tough (read very expensive) to find in high grade, so if an OC version is affordable, I jump on it. The 1962 Topps #124 Bill Pleis is now the third low pop (only six straight 9s, and just one - this one - with a qualifier) 'Green Tint' I've grabbed with PSA 9 PD on the label. PD? Ha! Talk about redundancy. The entire run of GTs is a veritable parade of print defects, so I was very happy to get this one. The 1970 Topps #197 Ryan Saves The Day! (along with #195 Seaver Wins Opener!) is one of the most pre-eminent cards of all time for us Mets fans, as it celebrates the incredible hurler helping to bring the miraculous 1969 season to a fitting close. Got that one cheap! And the 1970 Topps #210 Juan Marichal is another beautiful, sharp cornered HOFer card that is barely off-centered. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...20aa3a33_h.jpg |
I love that 61 Topps Gentile high number...I have a really nice decent centered raw card that took for ever to find at a decent, well, barely decent price. Most at the time I was looking were cut in half I swear...lol.
Picked up this 54 Bowman Mick with a qualifier. Clearly MC (although a slight strip of white on the top :)). But having a hard time seeing a "2" unless you take the MC into consideration. Corners aren't that bad, and it is totally crease free. Good news is the price was right because of the low grade and MC...if I were to pop this out it would be a beautiful card in the binder...not sure what I'm going to do with this one. I thought of this thread when I bought it... https://i.ibb.co/GpDmLgd/54-Mick.jpg |
A Three-fer...
This tough 1973 Topps #449 Ken Aspromonte variation was mislabeled, unfortunately, as it is the Spahn 'rounded ear' (not 'pointy ear') version. Oh well. May have to get it corrected sometime down the line. I love grabbing up an occasional PSA 9 OC HOF'er when it looks quite nice and can be had cheaply, like this 1975 Topps Mini #530 Gaylord Perry. These cards fascinate me, because I never knew they even existed way back when (at card shows out here in CA, they are everywhere). I have never bought a PSA Authentic/Altered card before, but with this 1967 Laughlin World Series #61 Mickey Mantle 'with address' card, I live by a simple maxim. When you see one, you grab it, because they are extremely rare. Supposedly, Bob Laughlin only made a total of 300 of each card in the set with his address appearing on back (conventional wisdom holds that 20 of said sheets remained uncut), so who knows how many still exist and when one will ever come up for sale again (the reprints actually hold a decent amount of value, too, but they came out after the Mick's career was over and are pretty readily available if you want to drop a lot of coin). It probably should have just been labeled 'authentic,' because I don't see what alteration is being referred to. It has "0 76 70" (perhaps a Zodiac-esque code?) written on back, and was obviously trimmed down to match the size of Topps cards (I assume that's the alteration)...which segues nicely into an excerpt from my 'New Collectorisms' thread... 371. Edge Clippers Kids who cut down larger cards back in the day to make them match the ‘new,’ standardized size of Topps cards. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...42ddc695_h.jpg |
Get yer stars he-ere...
I mean what kind of lunatic would call this 1964 Topps #265 Jim Bunning card off-center? It's not the centering that's problematic, it's more the Topps photographer saying, "Okay, Jimbo, take off your hat and push your face forward, so we can squeeze even more of your head into the shot!" I grabbed it up right when I saw it! The somber 1965 Topps #155 Roger Maris has always been one of my favorite cards of his for some reason. The regal 1969 Topps #375 Harmon Killebrew in his MVP year is another Leggy card awaiting the pantyhose to wipe away the ‘invisible’ gum on it. No matter how much I tilt it in the light, I can't see the 'stain.' Love it!! The 1972 Topps #760 Bill Mazeroski allowed me to check off another high number for my 'Highs in Nine' set. Sure, it's a little pushed to the left, but straight 9s are going for stupid money, so I'm fine with this sharp-cornered HR hero. I must have seen it right after it was listed, because it was a $30 BIN, and the only other PSA 9 OC (with much worse centering) was listed for two and a half times as much, so I jumped!! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bce3f30b_h.jpg |
Glad you are back Darren
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The Stain-Hey Kid...
This 1968 Topps #50 Willie Mays card was expensive for having a qualifier, but the centering is nearly perfect and the stain is a non-existent, easy wipe away if/when I break it out (which I have to do anyway, because the slab is quite busted). I also grabbed the 1965 Topps #14 1964 Home Run Leaders card (wow, SF really went deep in '64), because it was cheap, especially for having a trio of HOF'ers pictured, and I've always been oddly drawn to that picture of Mays, as his look down seems kind of spiritual to me. This is my second 1974 Topps #207 1973 Strikeout Leaders card with a print defect - a bit of snow on the bright color nameplates. I mean, it's Ryan and Seaver together again, so it's a must have!! And I am thrilled to have this sharp-as-heck 1966 Topps #132 Orlando Cepeda. Technically off-center, but in no way off-centered to the 'normal' card collecting eye. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...72f6105b_h.jpg |
Happy Askew Year...
For my money, he has one of coolest player names ever, and this 1970 Topps #75 Lem Barney rookie represents the sixth PSA 9 (barely) OC HOFer I have from that set. The sharp-cornered, early 'Tom Terrific' card, 1970 Topps #300 Tom Seaver, is a bit pushed to the side, but since his cards continue to be crazy pricey, I was happy to grab it. And for my slowly expanding '1973 HOFers in 9 OC' collection, I not only added a pretty sweet 1973 Topps #174 Rich Gossage rookie, but also a card of a guy who held the bat strangely and seemingly never appeared in a color photograph :D, 1973 Topps #475 Ty Cobb. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ad09522f_h.jpg |
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Eights the Hard Way...
'The Chairman of the Board' has always held a special place in my heart, because we both spent our early years in Astoria, Queens, so I was happy to pick up this cool 1960 Topps #35 Whitey Ford card. Let's face it, the 1962 Topps #28 Minnie Minoso, is a god-awful headshot of the newest Hall of Famer. The look of puzzlement on his face coupled with the gallon of India ink Topps used to black out his cap makes it the exact opposite of 'good eye appeal.' But, heck, for a total of $27, I grabbed it. And now for a pair of guys, 1968 Topps #410 Fergie Jenkins and 1968 Topps #50 Willie Mays, who are able to make burlap look like a thing of beauty!! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c92fd338_h.jpg |
Nines in the Pocket...
I was happy to secure the first card, a real sharp-cornered 1970 Topps #510 Tony Oliva, at a very low price just before the HOF vote was announced. The odd thing about this just-a-tad-OC 1972 Topps #163 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar card (with a looming Wilt as a marvelous co-star) is that the total POP of PSA 9's is only nineteen, with ten of them having qualifiers (probably all OC?). So you are more likely to find a PSA 9 OC than a straight 9. The awesome 1972 Topps #170 Dick Butkus card (with his face telling you he's ready to wreak havoc on the Midway) is such a great example of the simplistic beauty of that entire set, and I got it for a very small fraction of what straight 9's go for!!! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...81c213ef_h.jpg |
You really gotta be Carewing with me!!!
Let's see, 'Charlie Hustle,' 1969 Topps #120 Pete Rose, may have too big of a lead toward home (in other words, the image is pushed a bit to the bottom), but I am happy to have scored this card. As the title suggests, (outside of TPG parameters) you gotta be kidding me that this 1974 Topps #50 Rod Carew card is considered off-centered to any normal person. This pair of 1964 Topps Stand-Ups, Donn Clendenon (SP) and Elston Howard (reigning MVP), have easily ignored, semi-phantom gum stains on their blank backs. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ff8caf7e_h.jpg |
Nice...and those 64 Stand Ups are AWESOME. I have never owned one, should have started plugging away on those years ago like planned. Not many deals these days on those! Yours look awesome, stains must be on the backside? Wax?
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I forgot I had posted them in the pickups thread. Here's a shot of the backs...
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Beauty is in the Eye of the
We all live by one simple rule. Anytime you can pick-up a sharp Sandy Koufax card at a nice price, you jump!! Here's the career-capping 1967 Topps #238 Strikeouts Leaders. This 'Say Hey Kid' card, 1968 Topps #50 Willie Mays, is now my second OC '68 of the man. Pretty sweet!! And anyone involved with trying to assemble the monstrosity that is the 1961 set knows how tough these two rando Yankees high numbers are to land, 1961 Topps #531 Jim Coates and 1961 Topps #541 Roland Sheldon. Attachment 519300 |
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No qualifier, but it's one of my favorite miscut cards.
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A tale of two Willies...
496. Optimullet A card that is optimally beautiful when looked at from the front, but when you flip it over there are significant problems on the back. On front, this 1967 Topps #200 Willie Mays is beautifully centered, which is woo-hoo worthy...but, WTF, the label says this card is miscut?? Turn it over, and although no actual information or graphics are compromised, you find the white box falls a hair off of the edge. Oh well. Picked it up from a fellow board member. This 1963 Fleer #64 Orlando Cepeda is harmlessly pushed a tad too close to the top for PSA's liking, but it ain't a problem for me. And finally, look at the intensity emanating from his eyes on the 1970 Topps #530 Bob Gibson card. Although he only went 1-3 against the Miracle Mets that year, what kind of fool batter would want to be staring back at that antagonist on a sun-drenched afternoon at Shea in 1969??? Attachment 521392 |
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Happiness is a warm qualifier...
The 1974 Topps #1 Hank Aaron 'New All-Time Home Run King' card was simply epic to those of us collecting back in our carefree younger days!!! And he's still the frickin' HR king!!! Here's an early 'Great One' card, 1981 O-Pee-Chee #106 Wayne Gretzky, and the fact it's Canadian makes it perfect (outside of the obligatory OPC centering, of course) for any hockey fan!!! The epitome of a moment of intimidation captured in a snapshot, 1976 Topps #300 Johnny Bench, has a tad bit too much 'noise' for the grader's liking, but it just adds a little more particle debris to the dust storm at home plate. And lastly, a tough and not-so-badly-centered high number, 1967 Topps #544 Indians Team. Attachment 529533 |
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A Quartet of MVPs (Minor Visual Problems)...
The 1976 Topps #550 Hank Aaron portrait is a wonderful, must-have career-capper. 'Hammerin' Hank' was still raring to go!! The 'PD' on this 1961 Topps #360 Frank Robinson stands for 'PSA Delusional'!! And this cool pair of MVP season cards, 1969 Topps #375 Harmon Killebrew and 1973 Topps #130 Pete Rose, get my vote for simply phenomenal pieces of cardboard!! Attachment 541065 |
Good work as always, Darren. Your stuff here lays blatant just how random and inconsistent PSA is basically on any given day. Yet to no one's surprise, their lock on the market and collective imagination of many collectors remains unbroken. My hope with all of this is that at some point, inroads being made with consistency of quality from those such as SGC and CSG will break the spell. But I'm not betting on it happening anytime soon.
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Quadroolworthy...
The 1973 Topps #220 Nolan Ryan is a killer non-off-center, off-centered card!! The 1974 Topps #300 Pete Rose gets extra style points for a cool in-action bunting shot at Shea. And as far as variations go, I couldn't be happier with this pair of sharp cornered 'white letter' error cards, 1969 Topps #471 Ted Savage and 1969 Topps #511 Diego Segui. Attachment 541819 |
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