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Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure (Post 1816426)

If this board has no rule against outing an auction, then I think that it is fine to do so.

Not everyone agrees with other’s “unwritten rules.”

You are correct, but some people will get mad (I didn't say me).

I think lost in all this is the fact that the auction house totally screwed the pooch here and did a horrible job for its consigner, and the consigner screwed up by picking this auction house. I will never consign anything to this auction house, but you can bet your ass I am signing up (unless they block me 🙂)

Ryan Hotchkiss

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley (Post 1816411)

I'm out. This is insane.

There is an entire subset of the population that enjoys looking for "deals." Not because they are immoral rip-off artists, looking to "steal" items, cheat theoretical consignors, or rip off 70 year old widows. They just enjoy looking for items at prices they are happy with. There is nothing wrong with the way they decide to collect, it isn't any lesser a form of collecting than "COLLECTORS" ... whatever that means.

**Please Note** I overpay for stuff ALL THE TIME, This entire thread I am simply pointing out that I understand the different types of COLLECTORS & where they are coming from, how do you guys not?

Rhett,

That was not a shot at you. I’ve always liked your posts, and I know you are a respected member of this community. Who doesn’t like a deal???? I know many guys love the thrill of the hunt. I was merely referring to a large portion of the “anti-outing” crowd who do it solely for financial interest. There is obviously a sub-group of collectors such as yourself who love the hunt. Those people aren’t trying to rip anyone off. But at the same time, need to understand that in this day and age of the internet, people will find out. What’s more, it is a good thing that people find out because they want the card too. I was not inferring that you, of all people, are trying to rip anyone off. In fact, I specifically wrote that the post wasn’t directed at any one member so that you in particular wouldn’t think it was aimed at you.

So are you guys on the side of outing the auctions to make it fair across the board going into auctionhouses and waiting for an auction, then stand up and scream "THIS CARD IS WORTH $8,000!!!!"? How long do you think the people bidding or even the auctionhouse would allow you to stay there? Counterpoint, after a card sells for way over the auction estimate or market value, do you also stand up and say "THE BUYER IS GETTING SCREWED!!! The sale should not go through!"

That's how I see outing auctions on this board. Even outing recently closed items, because there are plenty of immoral board members or lurkers who will read it, then immediately message the seller to cancel the auction and sell off-eBay themselves. It has happened NUMEROUS times in the few years I've been a member here.

And for you people claiming that everyone knows about every auction on eBay, you're woefully incorrect. People selling items on eBay often have no idea what their items are. If they did some research and put in appropriate keywords (their own due diligence), they would reap more from their listings.

Are only people who have half a million dollars to blow on a Honus Wagner T206 allowed or entitled to buy one? Part of collecting baseball cards is trying to be the one guy who gets the monster hit or finds the diamond in the rough. I know that I will likely never be able to afford one if I don't see it first, and priced in my zone. This board is interesting in that the millionaires are hob-nobbing with the hoi polloi. Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it makes sense to the rest of us.

I bought the Mantle/Bruton stamp from COMC for $100 and may now be worth $500 after grading. Do I need to seek out the original consignor and reimburse him his lost entitlement because he didn't have the foresight to grade the card himself? Or do I pat myself on the back for a job well done since I found the card sitting there for sale FOR YEARS and had the intelligence to spend my $10 to slab it?

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1816388)

I find it hilarious that people are using terms like “legwork” and “research” to describe using Google on your phone while watching football. Let’s be honest.

But somehow it becomes serious research when someone uses microfiche and has classical music on in the background?

For all the people suggesting that outing an auction is good for the health of the hobby - I didn't realize the hobby was struggling after looking at recent sales prices and I look forward to you outing the items you are interested in buying that might be miscategorized or poorly advertised.

What about when we find a "steal" at an antique mall or flea market? Are we supposed to tell the seller that they have their OJ priced at $20 when it should be $100? Or do we buy it and then post it here in the recent pick up thread and get a bunch of pats on the back for finding such a great deal? I see that happen all the time and nobody is telling the board member that he was wrong to get a deal. So why is it so bad to get a card at auction for a steal? Why should the auction be outed? The seller is not entitled to anything. The AH should market the auction and do what they are supposed to do to get the most for the items they are selling. That's not our job.