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Rhotchkiss 09-17-2018 06:14 PM
Great knowledge on this site! What is the thinking on the non-confirmed super prints - they should exist but just not confirmed? Can’t wait till one of those show up (or a Cobby or Matty 350).

Ted, I’m sorry but I won’t make this Philly show. It’s 3hrs from me and I have a crazy weekend, so I can’t just slip away for a few hours like I can at Chantilly (only 20 minutes from me- 12hrs with traffic), which sucks bc I wanted to see Mile High’s Plank in person. I will be at Chantilly, however. Have a great show and I’ll catch you at the next one.

Luke 09-17-2018 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 1813472)
Luke, Evers yellow sky comes in a BL 350 and BL 460 back. I have owned two BL 350s and Derek owns the 460 (and we can’t seem to come to terms on that one, damn it!!).

Whoops, I see Ted posted already posted the others; I thought all super prints came in both.
Good point Ryan. I forgot Evers. I believe this is the correct list of 5 players:

Listed here are the subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs.
Besides the 6 super-prints, the specific pose distinguishes whether it is a BL 350 or a BL 460...….

Bender (no confirmed BL 460)
Chance...………………….......super-print (no confirmed BL 460)
Chase (blue portrait)……..super-print (no confirmed BL 460)
Chase (dark cap)……….…..super-print (no confirmed BL 460)
Doolan
Downey
Evers...…………………………...super-print
Mathewson (dark cap)…...super-print (no confirmed BL 350)
Snodgrass
Street
Sweeney (Jeff Sweeney does not have a BL350, although Bill Sweeney does)

tedzan 09-17-2018 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1813440)
Pat

This is an excellent point. I can tell you that a good number of T206's I sold to David Hall for his master set were SGC graded. Of course,
he converted them to PSA. Furthermore, these SGC graded cards don't necessarily have to be 1/1's. The SGC graded cards (44) which I
sold him are permanently listed in both SGC and PSA Pop reports. Therefore, the exact same card is listed twice, resulting in mis-leading
data.



As many of you guys know, the BROAD LEAF 460 (35 subjects) were printed only in the 350/460 series.

The BROAD LEAF 350 subjects were printed in the 350-only series. So, no matter how PSA has "mixed up" their Pop report listings, a
knowledgeable T206 collector will not be confused.

Listed here are the subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs.
Besides the 6 super-prints, the specific pose distinguishes whether it is a BL 350 or a BL 460...….

Bender
Chance...………………….......super-print
Chase (blue portrait)……..super-print
Chase (dark cap)……….…..super-print
Doolan
Downey
Evers...…………………………...super-print
Mathewson (dark cap)…...super-print
Snodgrass
Street
Sweeney

What concerns me are all those previous years (circa 1990's - early 2000's) which PSA didn't accurately account for the BL 460 cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Hey Luke

Do I thank you for copying my recent post ?


TED Z
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Luke 09-18-2018 10:14 AM
I don't think so? Not totally sure what you mean. To recap, I wrote a list of four players who have a BL460 and a BL350 confirmed. You corrected me by adding Evers and 6 other players. I wanted to correct both of us by adding Evers to the original list, since I had overlooked him the when I wrote my initial list, and by taking the other 6 players off the list since they don't have both a confirmed BL350 and BL460.

mrvster 09-18-2018 10:38 AM
btw....
 
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I don't have concrete evidence yet......but I strongly believe the yellow/brown sc F #30 460 " no prints" (except the super prints) printer's scraps were printed concurrently with broadleaf 460....:eek:

they are "sister" sheets and have about the same population as bl 460 and same subjects printed at the same time :);)frame

Ted , Chris, and myself have been working on this for a few years now

collage courtesy of C. brown

tedzan 09-18-2018 12:27 PM
Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1813440)
Pat

This is an excellent point. I can tell you that a good number of T206's I sold to David Hall for his master set were SGC graded. Of course,
he converted them to PSA. Furthermore, these SGC graded cards don't necessarily have to be 1/1's. The SGC graded cards (44) which I
sold him are permanently listed in both SGC and PSA Pop reports. Therefore, the exact same card is listed twice, resulting in mis-leading
data.



As many of you guys know, the BROAD LEAF 460 (35 subjects) were printed only in the 350/460 series.

The BROAD LEAF 350 subjects were printed in the 350-only series. So, no matter how PSA has "mixed up" their Pop report listings, a
knowledgeable T206 collector will not be confused.

Listed here are the subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs.

Besides the 6 super-prints, the specific pose distinguishes whether it is a BL 350 or a BL 460...….

Bender
Chance...………………….......super-print
Chase (blue portrait)……..super-print
Chase (dark cap)……….…..super-print
Doolan
Downey
Evers...…………………………...super-print
Mathewson (dark cap)…...super-print
Snodgrass
Street
Sweeney

What concerns me are all those previous years (circa 1990's - early 2000's) which PSA didn't accurately account for the BL 460 cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Luke


I clearly noted "subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs"

And yes, we know that Evers is the only super-print that is confirmed with both BROAD LEAF backs. We have known this fact since Art Martineau posted of it (circa 2008).


And yes, we know that there are two Sweeney guys....Bill is a 350-only series subject and Jeff is a 340/460 series subject.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 09-18-2018 12:28 PM
Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrvster (Post 1813708)
I don't have concrete evidence yet......but I strongly believe the yellow/brown sc F #30 460 " no prints" (except the super prints) printer's scraps were printed concurrently with broadleaf 460....:eek:

they are "sister" sheets and have about the same population as bl 460 and same subjects printed at the same time :);)frame

Ted , Chris, and myself have been working on this for a few years now

collage courtesy of C. brown

Thanks for posting this collage, Johnny V.....you're the man.


Your display adds credence to my theory of how ALC divided the 63 subjects into 2 groups. These cards comprise of the T206 subjects I refer to as Group A...………
Missing in Johnny's collage from this group are Dougherty and Rucker.

These 35 subjects were printed with both of these rare backs......BROAD LEAF 460 and red HINDU.


.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...1cards25xx.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...14cards14x.jpg



Hey Johnny, will you be able to attend the Philly Show this weekend in Oaks (Friday - Sunday) ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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t206fix 09-18-2018 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrvster (Post 1813708)
I don't have concrete evidence yet......but I strongly believe the yellow/brown sc F #30 460 " no prints" (except the super prints) printer's scraps were printed concurrently with broadleaf 460....:eek:

they are "sister" sheets and have about the same population as bl 460 and same subjects printed at the same time :);)frame

Ted , Chris, and myself have been working on this for a few years now

collage courtesy of C. brown
Johnny, I've seen this pic many times and I've always wondered what the different sizes of cards mean. Why are some so large and others so small?

Sean 09-18-2018 01:29 PM
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Attachment 329039Attachment 329040

Hey Johnny, I just want to add this Reulbach to your list of Brown- Yellow scraps.

mrvster 09-18-2018 01:58 PM
Ted!
 
gonna try! I will look you up.....anytime.....:)

Tony....collage is courtesy of Chris, hard for me to see also! lol......just check bl 460 checlist:) no reason, I think Chris just squeezed them in...:confused:

Sean.....WOW! GEORGEOUS REULY:eek: !

these y/bs very undervalued and understood....

MVSNYC 09-18-2018 02:02 PM
Sean- I think yours is second from the right. yeah, I have 20/20 vision.

I also think Chris had some really low-res images to work with, hence why some are really small.

Sean 09-18-2018 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1813776)
Sean- I think yours is second from the right. yeah, I have 20/20 vision.
Well I don't, it's more like 20/50, so I'll take your word for it. :)

CMIZ5290 09-18-2018 05:08 PM
BL460's are much scarcer than Uzits, not even close by a long shot. I sold a PSA 7 Uzit for $10K, a BL460 in the same grade would probably be triple in price, maybe more... Don't really know what all the fuss is about. If you have a common in a PSA 6, what do you think it would bring in a BL460 vs. Uzit? I know thats easier said than done, but BL460 would be significantly higher IMO. Surprised that this has gotten this much disagreement. I actually think that true Brown Lenox's are much scarcer than Uzits....I also think Drums are fairly close to Uzits right now....


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