I am still trying to figure out what he means?

Why does NotVader not need to display his/her name? I thought I read in the rules that our names must be posted, no?

And why has this person posted more times on this thread than the person whose card was stolen?

Inquiring minds want to know...

He is a "she" guys. :)

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but old earl died in 2012????

Names need to be posted when they give an opinion of a person or business. Once I figure out what she (she is a she) is talking about then we can go from there. I think it was just some sarcasm.

Never mind. I mixed up two different posters. My bad.

This guy is Chri.stina Va.der.

Seems like an odd post to make 6 days after the last one? :confused:

There's another guy who opened several threads regarding stolen cards, and didn't put his name out. That's who I meant. I confused the two.

I thought you might be thinking of him, actually. Fixed now. Now back to your Lazy Boy!!

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Earl Johnson that used to work for SGC?

Or at the very least, some sort of invisible ink identifier placed on the back of the card visible only under a unique portion of the light spectrum... That way one could alert the TPG's and they could check incoming subs for the mark before starting the grading process... Of course they would have to cooperate with each other if they use different portions of the spectrum to make the mark appear...

I believe in that case if the original seller was paid by his/her insurance company, technically the card would belong to the insurance company not the original seller.... Though I would think that by blowing the whistle on it the original seller may open himself up to some unwanted legal scrutiny...

Hey all such a tragic thing to read about any update on the missing hope it’s found!

Is it crazy to ask how/why the building has no video or security? This victimized dealer is at very front of the room, correct?

I am curious about this too. Is this the same Earl? This also makes me want to ask why he no longer works for SGC.

I was under the impression that he didn't make the move with SGC to Florida.

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Inquiring MIND it seems --- and not sure what you are asking at that ?

I am saying Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland is the person who is in possession of LOWPOPPER's missing mantle. Can I be more clear? I am available should anyone need me.

At Disney This Week,

C. Vader

WOW!!! I never would have pegged Earl as a thief!

So lemme get this straight because I am not the smartest guy. You maybe at Disneyland but I feel like I am on a ride.

You met Greg (lowpopper) with your uncle at Greg's booth. Had a brief discussion with him. You also happened to see him in the line waiting to get ice cream but he did not see you and you happened to hear him talking about a card, which you assumed was the Mantle.

You wanted to contact Greg about the missing Mantle and just happened to find this website and this post. Wouldn't it have been easier to find Greg directly since you and your uncle must have had his contact info?

Greg did not see the card get stolen, from what I understand (though Greg has been brief), but you know who took it and you are accusing Earl Johnson (Mr. Earl John Son of Cleveland), who he was with, of being that person who took it?

I'm sure someone has reached out to him, this I just have a hard time believing.

In post 44 Greg appears to agree with her version, as incoherent as I found it.

Did I miss the part where she said she actually saw Earl take the card? As Peter wrote, it was a tough read.

-Orlando Rodri guez of Miami

I thought she said she observed Earl at the ice cream stand talking to Greg. Seems unlikely Earl took the card then hung around to chat with Greg at the ice cream stand.

?????????missing mantle
 

Earl Johnson is no longer working for SGC because he got another job with another company right at the time of their move to Florida, and he did NOTHING unethical that caused his dismissal..

As far as I am concerned, Earl has always been a very fine & decent person...pretty hard to believe he is capable of doing something as was being represented in this thread, and because these are serious statements that are now being made public, these discussions should tread carefully.

Following up on what Larry said, to C Vader, what's the basis for your accusation?

I guess I must not have been clear but that was the intent of my post 101 from earlier. Greg did not confirm it was Earl but has not come on here and denied it either.

Greg's first post asks for any info on its whereabouts, so presumably he doesn't know who stole it?

I could be wrong but there's something off about this whole thread.

Yes...again that was my overall point. C Vader knows who stole it but Greg has lead on that he does not know but he sorta infers it was Earl (in his reply to C Vader) but just has not come out and said so.

IMO it behooves Greg to come back here and say exactly what it is he knows and doesn't know instead of all this cryptic stuff. Especially when a man with a good hobby reputation has now been accused of theft.

FYI-Earl wasn't offered a position in Florida. And I have no doubt he stole the card.

Agreed. The details are pretty vague and C Vader's appearance and involvement in all of this is just way too coincidental.

That's going to require a full name.

If you read my previous posts, I have only stated the facts of the unfortunate scenario. It sounds like something out of a B movie and it angers me to think somebody got me with my guard down.

The Mantle was passed around at the ice cream stand. We all parted ways without me saying “WHERE IS MY EFFING CARD”. Moments later, I am minus 1 mantle rookie.

These are the FACTS of what happened. I will not offer any specific “opinions” about this issue publicly on this forum. It is unfortunate this had to happen. All I can say to everyone who reads this is to learn from my mistake. Make sure you are spatially aware of your items at all times. They can and will spontaneously grow legs.

As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no
reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll.

This is Greg, signing off. Everybody just keep an eye out for my card. That’s all I ask. Have a good weekend.

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That is dirty! :mad:

I assume you have reached out to, Leon, as I would assume he has a lot more of her info on her whereabouts? Phone number, etc.

Lprodeline appears to have worked for SGC Authentic, judging by this and another post.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...00&postcount=2

Weirder and weirder, to paraphrase Alice.

And it just got weirder. So two women have now come on this thread (assuming C Vader is who she says she is) to accuse Earl. One who worked for or works for SGC Authentic supposedly and one who though she claims to be from Florida where Earl never worked somehow knew who he was and that he had worked for SGC.

Hope you filed a police report on the spot
 

They likely would have spoken to the last 3 people (Greg, partner and Earl??) to hold the card. If not already done, probably still worth doing. Police have ways of making people talk.

Wow, that us terrible. I guess the proof would be when someone offers it for sale, via text on their cell phone or otherwise, or its subbed for grading.

Getting back to the thread about tracking expensive cards, couldn't PSA make a special outer holder that could only be removed by the dealer? Kind of like the tags they put on clothes or games at Target.

Only authorized dealers would have the tool to open it and likely only use it on real high end cards. Try and crack it without it and die would ruin it.

Just a thought

The full name is out there however, this member doesn't have a good phone number on file. "She" is gone. Apparently this person used to work at SGC quite some time ago. I would not believe anything this member said at this point because it is possibly not who it is portrayed to be. It was a 5 yr old membership. That said, there is this newer info....

I have information from a credible source that Earl didn't take this card and this Lisa person has a grudge against him from years ago. And my source says SGC did in fact offer Earl a job but he couldn't take it due to personal matters. I confirmed Earl is in good standing with SGC.

Thats good to know....I didn't think Earl would do something like this....

How terrible it is that someone's name can be dragged through the mud by a drive by poster like Earl's name has.

I agree. The whole thing can be deleted on this forum but then it can look worse because others have quoted, responded etc..unless those are deleted too? The best thing to probably do is just put it out here that Earl didn't do anything wrong as far as anyone has shown, whatsoever. My understanding is that this person has also posted damning things on Twitter, which I don't frequent at all. And maybe other places too.
Hey, there is a place on one site where my name is next to a quote saying I am saying it's ok to steal as long as you don't get caught LOL. For the record, I don't and have never believed that., :) But it is out there as I am saying it. What can you do?

IMO Greg continuing to be cryptic is part of the problem. If Earl wasn't there, or if he doesn't think Earl is culpable, he should say so.

He confirmed that Earl was there in line with him waiting for ice cream. I do not know Earl but he is being made to look like a thief. Greg is being a bit irresponsible with how he has handled this and it makes me question if he is being 100% truthful. If anyone knows Earl maybe he should be contacted so he can decide if he wants to pipe in?

So you brought your Mantle to the ice cream stand, it was passed around among several people, and you forgot and left without it? Is that correct?

The lure of a triple scoop waffle cone can be quite distracting.

:-) This thread needed some levity because to quote Capt. Miller in Saving Private Ryan..."Things have taken a turn for the surreal."

For what it’s worth, Earl came to work with us at Baseball Card Roadshows for a year. He didn’t want to move to Florida. During his time with us he was around hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash and inventory and we were never concerned nor had any issues.

I could be wrong, but my gut says the problem is not with Earl, it's with the unidentified third guy. Now why two (apparent) women have jumped on this thread to accuse Earl, I haven't figured out.

She gave a pretty good description of herself. Do you not remember talking to a guy about his Red Heart set and a girl being with him? Did she not say what she said she did (about the dog food label)? Was she not in a Florida Gators hat? You make it sound like you never saw her or talked to her. Either she's making the whole thing up or you have a really bad memory.

Welcome to the internet.

Now we really know ice cream is bad for you in several ways.

Love it. We can always depend on Frank to raise the humor bar at just the right time.

That is certainly not unique to this board or our hobby. The things that are said and assumed about anyone simply accused of a crime these days can be pretty brutal. It seems the presumption of innocence until guilt has been proven is a foreign concept to many.

All time lows ugh

Pretty amazing, eh, for a "female" who would say the following: 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' If she knows Earl Johnson and knows he worked for SGC and was let go, then she should not be shocked by the fact that guys collect dog food labels referring to Red Hearts. Heck I have been in the hobby for 6 years and not even sure I recall hearing the name Earl Johnson until this thread let alone knowing he worked for SGC.

I am no profiler but I do not believe for a minute that C. Vader is female. I also am not sure I believe a 51 Mantle was actually stolen or is even missing. Something is just not sitting right with me and I hope I am wrong.

What I do know is that Earl has obviously pissed off some people out there that they would come on here and accuse him of theft and the person whose card was allegedly stolen is not denying these "women's" claims. Honestly this feels pretty irresponsible from my vantage point.

And Vader overhears Greg and her step-uncle talking about stickering the uncle's Mantle 4.5, and then by some coincidence the same card (in a 4) ends up being the one stolen from Greg? Something is BS here.

He didn't just raise the humor bar regarding ice cream... it was Good Humor.

RE???????????missing Mantle
 

I usually do not post more than once in a while but this thread is particularly alarming...first...SGC Lisa is wrong, Earl could have gone to Florida but opted to go to work for the card company that actually bought/buys large quantities of cards on the road(roadshow). I spoke to SGC and it was a mutual business decision with NO underhanded issues. second, even if there was an issue, no one should have his reputation put through the mud without a police report or some kind of documented legal proof, it is very wrong to accuse someone through a forum by this method of accusation and if the card of that value was stolen, a police report should have been issued anyway!

I don’t know why ppl are doubting that C Vader is a female. She describes herself and says that she met Greg. Greg never contradicted any of her posts. She just happened to be a witness to the ice cream stand incident. I’m not saying Earl stole the card. She just saw the event right before the theft happened. Maybe Earl passed the card to someone else who gave it to another person who took the card.

Paint historian raises a great point/question.
 

Greg,

Did you/when did you file a police report?

Greg has not confirmed or denied too much but he did just write "As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no
reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll."

In post 44 of this thread, Greg said that he agreed with C Vader’s summary of the event. She was the first person to describe that event happening so she could not have made it up and probably was there.

Am aware of that but then most recently he dismisses C. Vader. Seems to be a lack of clarity and a lack of consistency.

I didn't even understand Vader's post in the first place. How did her anecdote help in any way?

I have never suggested that C. Vader's posts helped at all. Maybe ask glchen. I have only questioned the validity and motive of Vader's posts.

Umm, where is Greg to answer these questions? He’s been signed on the last two days. I call BS!

far more questions than answers so far
 

Who else was at the ice cream stand with Greg and Earl?

Did Greg file a police report?

Who is C Vader and what was the motive for his/her post?

Why does Lisa Prodeline have a grudge against Earl to the point where she would lie about his employment and accuse him of stealing a card?

Why is Greg being so evasive?

Was this card, in fact, stolen?

I hope the thief gets nabbed.

A message I just sent to Lisa. I was wanting to chat first but she sent back her info as requested. My main concern with board registrations is people are who they say they are.


Actually, I do have your info (new phone number you just sent and verified) and because you have been a member a long time there is no need to talk on the phone. My only concern is people are who they say they are. The fact you made a statement that could land you in court, and in big trouble if not true, doesn’t affect me. I hope you have proof he stole the Mantle card. I think he has a very good lawyer. If I were him I might just sue you for what you said. Anyway, you are reinstated now.

LL

When you accuse someone of a crime, you had better be able to prove it. There is no internet exception to per se libel. If I were Earl, I would be looking for an address for service of process.

man i hear all of this libel stuff and threats of lawsuits on net54 for years....nothing ever happens, but everyone makes it sound so easy and make sense logistically to just to sue on this...clearly isnt..

Maybe we should have our profession listed...along with our full names :D

Obviously someone who didn't hear the FBI (Thanks again SA Brusokas) speak at the Net54baseball Dinner during the National in 2017. Don't think for a second that no court actions/statements have ever involved our forum members. I assure you this is a public forum and what you say, you can be held accountable for.
Ask Doug Allen when he gets out.
ps...I do agree with your statement about it not being a piece of cake to sue someone. Mostly it just takes money and time though. For the record I have never sued anyone or been sued.

???mantle stolen
 

Again, I rarely post....this forum history stays on the internet and there is a historical record of what everyone writes that LASTS THRU THE AGES unless Leon deletes it which I don't think he will do!....someone that has a $10K card stolen and identifies a culprit by name, not only should file a police report but also needs to file an insurance claim through their homeowners or business insurance.

To accuse someone by name of a felony crime like this is not only bold but is permanently a scar on that person's reputation especially when they are innocent until proven guilty. Without any real proof, this is a libelous action. Earl has a pretty damn good reputation and its up to him to make sure his name is not dragged through the mud but as an longtime hobbyist, I really feel disgusted that someone can say something so bold without real testimony proof or any legal justification. If legal justification is warranted, its time to step into the batters box, this is not just about cards, its about integrity.

Maybe involve forum members on a secondary issue related to something off the forum ..but nothing came from something started from the forum in which everyone on the forum then says there should be a lawsuit now based on what was said on the forum and many threats made (correct me if i am wrong as i was not a the dinner, but i have not read anything on the threads) Just saying needing time and money to me is like saying all i need is height and talent to play in the NBA..both are very very hard to come by..

I understand everything that is said here stays here and its a public forum... so of course beware what you say as it will stay here forever most likley ..except asking prices :)

never understood why everyone feels their homeowners insurance covers all of these random things....insurance companies dont make money paying claims...if there is gray area, if you arent sure they will pay, then the answer is 99% they wont. I see it time to time people on the forum referencing homeowners insurance paying for a lost card/ card stolen etc..... I havent' heard one story ever where someone got their homeowner insurance to pay on something happening to their card outside the home.....plus even if the issue happened inside your house, there would be issues of proving value, deductible, limits you can claim and again, whether it would be even covered......people just throw it out too often, 'have your homeowners coverage pay' when you lose an item outside the home..or get injured on a someones bicycle or fun type ride outside the home, or drycleaner ruins your clothes etc......

For the 100s of times i hear someone say 'put in a claim with your homeowners' im guessing zero times there is ever a recovery (ive never heard anyone say they got one), yet we will keep hearing people say call your homeowners insurance...its almost up there with suing for libel on this forum...

Not a bad idea. 36 years experience as a trial lawyer. I don't handle civil litigation any more but did defend VCBC magazine in a libel suit some years ago in Federal District court here in New Jersey. Lawsuits are expensive but when someone threatens your livelihood by accusing you of a crime, it may be worth the cost. This is not a hobby to Earl. It is his vocation.