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Peter_Spaeth 06-06-2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 1784176)
Someone may have already covered this, but what happens if you have a HE PWCC card AND convince that dude to slap a purple sticker on it? Does the damm thing just spontaneously combust at that point?

Millenial women will fall all over you.

Snapolit1 06-06-2018 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1784188)
Millenial women will fall all over you.

Well now, there's an idea I hadn't considered.

RedsFan1941 06-06-2018 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bensie (Post 1784139)
So because I'm new and didn't fill out my profile, I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

sure you're allowed to have an opinion. and if you want to express it here, check out the rule in bold at the top of the page:

If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post.

the 'stache 06-08-2018 01:21 PM

Oh, how I wish Yogi Berra were alive to see this.

Leon 06-08-2018 01:28 PM

Fixed and he and I will have a quick chat about it soon...

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Originally Posted by RedsFan1941 (Post 1784200)
sure you're allowed to have an opinion. and if you want to express it here, check out the rule in bold at the top of the page:

If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post.


frankbmd 06-08-2018 02:11 PM

If there is a flaw on a PWCC stickered card, HE or PQ, that gives a whole new meaning to “sticker shock”. :eek:;)

1880nonsports 06-08-2018 02:25 PM

well
 
You don't want to wear the ribbon??!?

conor912 06-08-2018 03:07 PM

Man, this is a slippery slope. Adding a sticker and marketing it as adding perceived value to something is dicey. I don't know what kind of premium, if any, these will add to prices, but I just did a 3 minute search and found this company who makes similar stickers. Scroll down to item 34. If it's not identical, it's so close that most wouldn't know the difference. Wouldn't be hard to just buy a bunch and slap them on everything. With power comes responsibility, and this seems sloppy. At least custom design your sticker from scratch instead of using something off the shelf. Jeez.

https://www.novavisioninc.com/pages/...am_labels.html

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-08-2018 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 1784862)
Man, this is a slippery slope. Adding a sticker and marketing it as adding perceived value to something is dicey. I don't know what kind of premium, if any, these will add to prices, but I just did a 3 minute search and found this company who makes similar stickers. Scroll down to item 34. If it's not identical, it's so close that most wouldn't know the difference. Wouldn't be hard to just buy a bunch and slap them on everything. With power comes responsibility, and this seems sloppy. At least custom design your sticker from scratch instead of using something off the shelf. Jeez.

https://www.novavisioninc.com/pages/...am_labels.html

Sorta related to my issue with it which is, at least the grading companies are somewhat accountable for their standards (buy back guarantees etc...) PWCC eschews all responsibility (we're not professional graders) while offering a MORE HIGHLY NUANCED opinion on a cards condition (or appeal or whatever they want to call it) than the grading companies. PLUS they don't back it up with any kind of guarantee. Basically "We can't grade from 1 - 20 (1-10 with half point grades is in essence a 20 point scale) but we can grade on a 40, or possibly 80 point scale (1-10 with half grades plus HE plus PQ)

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2018 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1784870)
Sorta related to my issue with it which is, at least the grading companies are somewhat accountable for their standards (buy back guarantees etc...) PWCC eschews all responsibility (we're not professional graders) while offering a MORE HIGHLY NUANCED opinion on a cards condition (or appeal or whatever they want to call it) than the grading companies. PLUS they don't back it up with any kind of guarantee. Basically "We can't grade from 1 - 20 (1-10 with half point grades is in essence a 20 point scale) but we can grade on a 40, or possibly 80 point scale (1-10 with half grades plus HE plus PQ)

The 58 Clemente which was pointed out by Chris P. was enough to make me lose all faith (not that I ever had any) in PWCC's ability to spot a high end card.

joshuanip 06-08-2018 04:13 PM

My prediction. This is a fad and will either be spun off if there is traction, or discontinue when all is said and done.

There is definitely a business case for a "second opinion" or any edge over the normal grade. Sales backs this up from the price premiums realized from from + grading to "high-end" cards at the auctions. I think it would be nice to have a PSA sticker or a SGC sticker on the slabs as second opinions and to solve the registry dilemma. But there are conflict of interests if the auction does the second opinion.

For the bidder, that label serves as an economic signal to everyone else bidding for the card. Higher prices are good for PWCC, not the bidder. Value economics decline and makes competing auction houses better hunting grounds for value. Oh yeah, what happens when PSA issues their new version slab and when you resubmit that sticker goes away...like driving a new car off the lot?

For the seller, what if you don't get one of their shiny labels and you are listed in their auction? Does that mean a card graded is weak for its grade? Tough cookies on the crap shoot of consigning to see if you get a label, only to not get one and get less than what you were hoping for.

1952boyntoncollector 06-10-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by joshuanip (Post 1784884)
My prediction. This is a fad and will either be spun off if there is traction, or discontinue when all is said and done.

There is definitely a business case for a "second opinion" or any edge over the normal grade. Sales backs this up from the price premiums realized from from + grading to "high-end" cards at the auctions. I think it would be nice to have a PSA sticker or a SGC sticker on the slabs as second opinions and to solve the registry dilemma. But there are conflict of interests if the auction does the second opinion.

For the bidder, that label serves as an economic signal to everyone else bidding for the card. Higher prices are good for PWCC, not the bidder. Value economics decline and makes competing auction houses better hunting grounds for value. Oh yeah, what happens when PSA issues their new version slab and when you resubmit that sticker goes away...like driving a new car off the lot?

For the seller, what if you don't get one of their shiny labels and you are listed in their auction? Does that mean a card graded is weak for its grade? Tough cookies on the crap shoot of consigning to see if you get a label, only to not get one and get less than what you were hoping for.


Still its better for the auction house to get business when the consignor knows theres a chance they can get the high end designation when other auctions houses dont offer the chance.....just having the chance is why people buy ungraded cards, 'unopened' pack or buy a mantle someone said found in their uncle's attic ....lots of money is made from people hoping for the 'chance'

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-10-2018 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1785359)
Still its better for the auction house to get business when the consignor knows theres a chance they can get the high end designation when other auctions houses dont offer the chance.....just having the chance is why people buy ungraded cards, 'unopened' pack or buy a mantle someone said found in their uncle's attic ....lots of money is made from people hoping for the 'chance'

But how often is it made by the people TAKING the chance???

bobbyw8469 06-10-2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1784882)
The 58 Clemente which was pointed out by Chris P. was enough to make me lose all faith (not that I ever had any) in PWCC's ability to spot a high end card.

I'm sure the consignor requested and received the "HE" label. But yes, you are right, definitely NOT a high end card.

Leon 06-11-2018 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 1785586)
I'm sure the consignor requested and received the "HE" label. But yes, you are right, definitely NOT a high end card.

When I asked for HE on a card I too was turned down. The corners were too soft, I was told. That said, I am sure I am not an HE collector....more like a LE collector (low end). Where are those LE stickers?:cool:

Peter_Spaeth 06-11-2018 10:48 AM

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65 35 with a tilt, not sure I would have called this PQ.

gregr2 06-11-2018 11:10 AM

Here you go Leon, Certified Low End (not my card).

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