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If the owner wants anything from me he can PM me and we can chat via email or phone. I have no issues explaining anything I see and I am sure other members feel the same way. This board protects the hobby as much as it enjoys it. That’s why it’s like a family here and why so many issues are brought to light. We protect one another and if you think that’s jealousy, insults, slander, libel, or anything else then I must be....what every you say I am. |
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Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.
My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH. Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it. |
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Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.
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Absolutely gorgeous Musial card.
From a Pure Cardinal Collector that appreciates the beauty. Congrats UFFDAH |
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Just wanted to chime in and state that the cliché counter for this thread is at 783. I believe Pete is in the lead with about 13 in one post.
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Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.
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In your opinion. I would call you by your name, but you haven't given it.
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Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.
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You seem to have repeated your post there?
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Sorry bout the double post not sure how that happened!!
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I thought maybe you were repeating for emphasis. :D
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Lol. I'm all thumbs on this cell phone.
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Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end." |
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Didn't someone mentioned he tells them "just throw in a bid, you won't win it" :D |
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I think a lot of people fail to realize that PWCC is just a platform, like Ebay is. These aren't Brent's cards. You do realize that? These are other people's cards. They can just as easily sell them on Ebay themselves just like Brent can. Instead they ship them to Brent because he gets higher prices than everyone else. Think of the novel "The Pied Piper".....sorta the same thing. PWCC gives great service, I get that. A lot of sellers give great service. The sellers/buyers who are cheats/cons get quickly weeded out on this board. I think every member under the sun on Net54 knows about battlefield and all their reincarnations.
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Beautiful card and congrats! Enjoy!
Personally, I find the 52 Musial to be amongst the greatest cards ever created. |
AQUARIUM --- BINGO!!!!
BOBBY W ---- I learned the hard way about Battlefield when I first got back into collecting. What a hassle pain in the butt that was. |
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As someone who grew up in St Louis in the 50s and got to see him play many times, and experienced the kind of person he was in that community, I congratulate you on getting such a fine example of one of his cards. I collect ungraded sets and would not know a 10 from a 9 but it sure looks like a nice card to me. :). |
Do i not remember more than 1 long thread where Brent was shown to be less than a straight shooter???
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ALR - that is awesome that you got to see Stan the Man play!! He was way before my time but my interest gravitated to the Legends right away in 1981 as a kid when first collecting.
Neal - I agree there are some non-rookie cards that are just iconic and the 52' Bowman Musial is one of them with the image portrayed. Others to me are the 64' Topps Rose, 48' Leaf Babe Ruth, 38' Goudey Joe DiMaggio and for sure others. Thanks all for the congrats on this string and through PM's. I replied to the PM's just now so hopefully they worked as I am sometimes clumsy on the computer. Glad its Friday!! Tonight I think I will finally celebrate the card with a cold one. A classic vintage Musial deserves a classic vintage beer and for me I think its gonna be an Old Style!! |
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This one has grown on me as well.
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Apples-To-Oranges
Unfair to compare. 52B is color art reproductions of actual photographs; 53B are stunning poses and photography and is probably my favorite set of the Fifties (meaning today;)), and the 53B Musial pose seems so candid - who can resist?! However, I don't know if it's the reflection of the green paint of the dugout interior or the photographer forgot to bring his light meter, as the color of Stan's face, depending upon which print-run version you are looking at always somewhere between jaundice and Martian. Hence, 52B for me...at this moment.
Anyway, great looking 52B, OP, and congrats. |
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Altered; he wished he could have had it cheaper. Well, it only cost $3K, 7 months earlier in the PSA 9 holder. |
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Or you can just throw snarky comments around as you seem to do. It is much better than being helpful, right? |
The buyer is aware of the situation and will be refunded.
From BO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am aware through 312. I had already alerted PWCC and PSA. Yesterday PWCC sent me a label to have the card shipped back and I am expecting a refund. Will circle back with the final results once I have them. |
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LMFAO!!!! Is there a card that this Moser guy HASN'T gotten his grubby hands on??? It seems like he has touched ALL Mantle rookie cards. |
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I’m sure the PSA boys are concerned about this card and their iron-clad guarantee.
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What exactly was done to the card?
I see a black spot looks removed and the white is obviously now red. Is this technically recoloring? For some reason I recall when this listing was up people thought it was trimmed. |
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It was; read page 1. Recoloring is fairly obvious once you know where to look.
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the wrestling all star sets were altered
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I don't find it odd that in the day of age where you can get rust stains out of travertine tile that there are formulas that will clean a card. I do find it odd that ink of some kind can be added to a card and not be noticeable under some form of black light or magnification.
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Who's to say it can't be detected yet? Maybe UFFDAH can run it under a blacklight for us before he mails it back.
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I never said I was fast.
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Yeah, about as much remorse as you have for your escapades.
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Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?
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Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.
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He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments. My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/ |
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Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.
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I feel really bad for the guy. His genuine joy for owning the card poured through in his posts. One of the worst feelings in life is to really trust someone and have them abuse that trust.
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He is a successful guy, he is not going to lose his mind on a message board over a card. He knows he can get recourse.
The concern is his collection is full of these top grade cards, and he is a buyer at almost any price. Brent probably saw him as a mark. One thing to buy cards that were alterted, quite another to be coached into buying altered cards. How many altered Moser cards did Brent walk him into? It would be personal for me. I feel for the guy, followed his posts in CU he seems like a solid guy that loves the hobby. I hope he shares, at some point, his thoughts on all of this. We need a heavy hitter to step up and shine some light on this. |
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My own cynical prior comment: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller. __________________ Stuff trumps all in this fraud and ostrich hobby. |
Sure is easy to shill once you've told the auctioneer your max bid.
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Ya thats crazy, and in this case Brent walked him into a card he must know was altered. How many other Moser cards did Brent coach him to buy? How many other big buyers was Brent coaching? Playing these guys against eachother and making a fortune.
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All these cards that are altered. It's sickening.
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Bobby, you didn't get any PSA bulk submission cards from any Mary Goser, did you?
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A nightmare scenario for sure. This is where the card bubble may cool off or dare I say pop.
As much as I thought this news was isolated to a few social media outlets it has actually gained some good traction beyond the reaches of blowout and net54. |
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He likes any size fish as long as the fish has a wallet.
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This is awful. No refund from Brent; just having him send the card back to him and he sends it to PSA.
PSA has 2 choices: 1) admit they missed the altered card and are stuck with a $ issue, or 2) say they can’t find any alterations and send it back to Brent as good. Brent is basically out of it?.. |
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