If a dealer thought there was money to be made by paying more, they would have. They're goal is to make money so if they thought it was valuable enough to buy from you at say 1400 and sell in excess of say $1750 for a profit of at least 25% then I'm pretty sure every dealer would have jumped at that chance. They're in the business to make money, its all percentages to them. They dont care what they have to pay for an item, as long as they get it for under a certain percentage of what they feel the can comfortably sell it for and none of those dealers you offered it to felt the item was that valuable...the story spells that out. Just because you think its value is between $1500 and $5000 does not mean the market will bear out your valuation.

As for me? I wouldnt think to purchase that pin for anywhere close to what you paid for it. The market might prove me wrong and so be it. But a non-descript pin that simply says "1919 World's Series" on a generic baseball medallion...that makes no mention of the Reds, Cincinnati, the White Sox, or Chicago...just doesnt hold the value it does to me, that it apparently does to you. Just my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion on this. I guess time will tell. You are failing to mention collector's and not just dealers which I mentioned. In total 3 people answered me. 2 dealers and 1 collector.

A lot of times, I find that dealers are scared to pay up on a item with no history. Like I said, there is no exact market on this piece as it has never traded. It came from Muchinsky's collection who said it came from a White Sox executive.

I don't mind taking chances on weird items. Maybe to a fault, but it's what makes this hobby fun to me. Seeing stuff that's never been seen etc.

Perhaps this was a poor example for this specific pet peeve of yours then? You can hardly blame anyone who is skeptical of paying the valuation you think it has, when its a unique item where the only market history, is the history you established when you bought it.

I've yet to see a business make money sitting on inventory.


Turning $750 into $100 is a 33% increase. By the third flip you've more than doubled your money.

And $750 into $2000 is a 275% increase and will probably take the same time as flipping 10 items for 33%

It was just one example lol I said numerous things happened. You are right though it wasn't the absolute best example, just the most recent.

Man oh man, I miss a couple of days, and lots of entertaining banter. I have opinions on these subjects too, so in summary...
I feel everyone is entitled to place whatever price they want on any item, and everyone is entitled to make whatever offer they like. People getting offended and getting their panties in a knot is a little silly. Make the offer, don't accept the offer, and simply move on. Getting personally offended is a waste of energy.

In terms of interest and entertainment...
This one surprised me. So using proper grammar helped pin this guy down? Wow!!! That is sad on so many levels.

This one made me laugh this afternoon, I thought it couldn't be topped...

... until this statement. I snorted out loud here at work over lunch. Well done Frank. :D

Tell that to the people that have sat on ANY of the high grade rookies listed below...
NAMATH
CLEMENTE
AARON
JIM BROWN
MANTLE

I would love to have some of those beauties back.

It really depends on the card and the timing. If the card is rare, you are justified in holding out for your price. Maybe you are wrong and the card won't sell, but maybe you are right and the card will sell to that collector who has to have one and is willing to pay up to get it. It is a calculated risk that can pay off. Worst case scenario, you end up with a great card to enjoy for a while. I don't consider that the same as having inventory of mainstream common stuff. That stuff needs to move, in and out, get the money back to work. But for rare cards, I am just dandy with waiting. When someone balks at my ask for that kind of card, I tell them to go find one. If they can, vaya con dios. If not, I am still here, but you will pay my price for the card or you won't own it. And if you come back then I know you cannot find it elsewhere so my willingness to compromise is going to be lower...because I know.

Sorry if that seems cold-blooded or mercenary, but I cheerfully admit to it. At least I am polite...

+100000

Well a few years later if you still have the card and no takers...it doesnt maker the seller position stronger...

In my opinion, all you guys who complain about offers on ebay are just doing it wrong. If a low offer can bother you, then don't use Best Offer. Or if you want to use Best Offer, just set the threshold so you don't have to respond to the offers you deem ridiculous. I haven't had a single thing to complain about on ebay in the last 2 years, and it's because I just know what my price is and I list it for that price.

If you feel like you gain something from taking offers, then you just have to take the bad with the good.

All 100% true. After the last few silly offers I received I always now put some kind of a reasonable floor on automatically rejecting silly low ball offers.

Well said.....+1000

yes, selling on eBay isn't rocket science. nor is saying "no" to an offer and moving on. at least to most people.

How difficult is this?

If you don't like "offers" then set a floor or a BIN...I guess coming to a national message board and debating this is more productive somehow. If its in the BST then set a price. Either way, make it clear in the OP what in the hell you are talking about.

Coming to the same place to complain about buyers where you gain "knowledge" is bad form...argue with the same people you learn from. Others learn from past sales, similar examples and analyzing trends in the market place which seems to be over your head while you rely on these opinions to create a business model that quite frankly comes off as predatory. How about make some contribution to this board? Where is your expertise? This is a community, not some place to displace your passive-aggressive attitude to get what you want.

S Suck0w

I've never made an offer on anything. Ever. Period. Made one inquiry via net54 months ago on bst about you saying you are in NY though your ebay store says otherwise.

Is this where I insert the obligatory lol?

Just to be clear. One more time. You and I have never made a deal. I've pm'd once on an item asking about the location disparity between ebay and net54. I asked for clarity. You gave little. That is the sum total of our communication. I never even got to the point of a number because, right or wrong, I didn't trust you. You have me confused with someone else.

Well stated.

Ok I want to address this post.

If you don't like "offers" then set a floor or a BIN

I will be doing so after this thread. I used to and got away from it and don't know why I haven't gone back yet. I forgot in all honesty.

I guess coming to a national message board and debating this is more productive somehow.

It is definitely not productive, however I rarely vent, so I would like to to invoke my first amendment right.

If its in the BST then set a price. Either way, make it clear in the OP what in the hell you are talking about.

I have attempted to clarify myself through numerous replies on this thread. Not sure if you have seen them or read through them but I stated very clearly in replies and did my best to answer questions.

Coming to the same place to complain about buyers where you gain "knowledge" is bad form...argue with the same people you learn from.

This was not my intention, and I never made mention of any specific buyer on Net in my initial post. It was only after being provoked by certain buyers whom are culprits of what I am speaking about that I said something direct. As a "dealer" now, I am sure I am speaking for a lot of dealers with this post whether or not they will chime in and agree is another thing.

Others learn from past sales, similar examples and analyzing trends in the market place which seems to be over your head while you rely on these opinions to create a business model that quite frankly comes off as predatory.

It's not rocket science in all honesty. I don't deal much in cards, so I rely more on worth point, and past auction results at auction houses as well as advice from certain dealers that have taken me under their wings so to speak when making prices, due to the types of items I sell. I try to only offer unique items that are not easily attainable on the open market, and by effectively marketing them I hope to bring a profit. I by no means am predatory and you can ask anyone on here who has ever dealt with me.. I am as honest a person as they comes and truthfully I hope someone will chime in here in regards to this. I always work with people on price, and am a pretty easy person to deal with when I buy as well, as many can attest to.


How about make some contribution to this board? Where is your expertise?

I have tried numerous times to make contributions, most recent example being offering my advice of the message board to anyone that wanted help with Jackie Robinson autographs about a month ago. (feel free to go check) My expertise lies in Brooklyn Dodgers and Jackie Robinson, and I have definitely chimed in and helped those with questions pertaining to my area of knowledge.

This is a community, not some place to displace your passive-aggressive attitude to get what you want.

I totally agree with you here and maybe I should not have made this post, but I was getting a mad run of squids (term I use for slimy cheap buyers) and felt compelled to create a thread. Not sure what you mean by me using this thread to get what I want though. I did not want anything from this, just a mere outlet to let out my bottled up frustration, and I ran out of pages in my diary :)


As for you Mr. Dewey. Oh man oh man what shall we do with you?

Mr. Fake News himself.

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Originally Posted by Dewey (Post 1722718) I've never made an offer on anything. Ever. Period. Made one inquiry via net54 months ago on bst about you saying you are in NY though your ebay store says otherwise. Is this where I insert the obligatory lol?

no this is where I insert this from October 27th



Keep in mind I get this literally the day after the one at Leland's sells for $1650. Yea thanks for the offer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey (Post 1722722) Just to be clear. One more time. You and I have never made a deal. I've pm'd once on an item asking about the location disparity between ebay and net54. I asked for clarity. You gave little. That is the sum total of our communication. I never even got to the point of a number because, right or wrong, I didn't trust you. You have me confused with someone else.

to this i say




as well as you nickel and dimed me on a undated Boston Red Sox grand stand ticket back in February and actually purchased it because "it had Ted Williams number on it"

I by no means am predatory and you can ask anyone on here who has ever dealt with me.. I am as honest a person as they comes and truthfully I hope someone will chime in here in regards to this.

I'll chime in. I've done numerous deals with Stephen. I've never met him, never knew him before Net54, but a class act all the way who's always asking questions and always trying to learn more about the hobby whom I never mind helping out. Ever.

Brendan

I ask about the Brick and Mortar store because you always claim to just be a collector. I received 2 items from you with Top Tier Collectibles as a return address and your personal email address used to be the stores contact email address. Do you work there?

As far as the second transaction. You traded me $20(your #) worth of error cards and I sent you a 1933 Goudey Tony Lazzeri. I told you it was a beater and sent scans of the front and back. Seriously how much more did you want my trade card to be worth compared to the $20 cards you sent me?

.

Let's address this first. I opened up a store front for 3 months back in 2013 at 27 years old where I sold Fatheads, McFarlands figurines, shiny new baseball card boxes, and memorabilia which I took in on consignment when I opened the doors.

Foot traffic was absolutely putrid so I closed the doors and sold my inventory off online and to local dealers.

I not only worked there, I was the only employee, and it was my store! lol

I don't know if you are aware, but you can make any address your business address even if you know longer have a business location... BEN'S SPORTS CARDS and then your address. It's easy.


Secondly,

I sent you way more than $20 worth of error cards as someone offered me $35 for them (the seaver was worth more than $20 alone) and you said your Lazzeri was at least a $50 card if I recall.

Turns out I got a beater that when the customer I sold it to submitted it, it came back altered which I am sure you had no idea about...?

The people I am not influencing are people I wouldn't want to deal with anyways. I want to attract people whom I enjoy speaking to and enjoy doing business with.

Also, didn't you PM me once saying you were never talking to me again because I wouldn't trade my T205 Walter Johnson for you PSA 7 1956 Topps Jackie Robinson that was over graded?

Why do you keep posting negative things towards me in my threads and / or adding fuel to the fire always?

[QUOTE=EYECOLLECTVINTAGE;1722764]Ok I want to address this post.

If you don't like "offers" then set a floor or a BIN

I will be doing so after this thread. I used to and got away from it and don't know why I haven't gone back yet. I forgot in all honesty.

I guess coming to a national message board and debating this is more productive somehow.

It is definitely not productive, however I rarely vent, so I would like to to invoke my first amendment right.

If its in the BST then set a price. Either way, make it clear in the OP what in the hell you are talking about.

I have attempted to clarify myself through numerous replies on this thread. Not sure if you have seen them or read through them but I stated very clearly in replies and did my best to answer questions.

Coming to the same place to complain about buyers where you gain "knowledge" is bad form...argue with the same people you learn from.

This was not my intention, and I never made mention of any specific buyer on Net in my initial post. It was only after being provoked by certain buyers whom are culprits of what I am speaking about that I said something direct. As a "dealer" now, I am sure I am speaking for a lot of dealers with this post whether or not they will chime in and agree is another thing.

Others learn from past sales, similar examples and analyzing trends in the market place which seems to be over your head while you rely on these opinions to create a business model that quite frankly comes off as predatory.

It's not rocket science in all honesty. I don't deal much in cards, so I rely more on worth point, and past auction results at auction houses as well as advice from certain dealers that have taken me under their wings so to speak when making prices, due to the types of items I sell. I try to only offer unique items that are not easily attainable on the open market, and by effectively marketing them I hope to bring a profit. I by no means am predatory and you can ask anyone on here who has ever dealt with me.. I am as honest a person as they comes and truthfully I hope someone will chime in here in regards to this. I always work with people on price, and am a pretty easy person to deal with when I buy as well, as many can attest to.


How about make some contribution to this board? Where is your expertise?

I have tried numerous times to make contributions, most recent example being offering my advice of the message board to anyone that wanted help with Jackie Robinson autographs about a month ago. (feel free to go check) My expertise lies in Brooklyn Dodgers and Jackie Robinson, and I have definitely chimed in and helped those with questions pertaining to my area of knowledge.

This is a community, not some place to displace your passive-aggressive attitude to get what you want.

I totally agree with you here and maybe I should not have made this post, but I was getting a mad run of squids (term I use for slimy cheap buyers) and felt compelled to create a thread. Not sure what you mean by me using this thread to get what I want though. I did not want anything from this, just a mere outlet to let out my bottled up frustration, and I ran out of pages in my diary :)


As for you Mr. Dewey. Oh man oh man what shall we do with you?

Mr. Fake News himself.



no this is where I insert this from October 27th


Keep in mind I get this literally the day after the one at Leland's sells for $1650. Yea thanks for the offer.



to this i say




as well as you nickel and dimed me on a undated Boston Red Sox grand stand ticket back in February and actually purchased it because "it had Ted Williams number on it"



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Maybe it's just me, but if someone posted my paypal info on here I'd be pissed. I'd suggest you pull that down immediately.

What would someone do with paypal info?
My paypal account is leonl@flash.net.
if anyone wants to send me money please feel free to.

huh? I don't see the big deal Pete but I am sorry if it offended anyone.

I don't care if you are correct about him making offers...it is really bad form for you to post this. You should have just posted that you have emails that say differently and left it at that.

I have asked before and others have also asked....why is your eBay address California and your actual address New York?

Jeff

Leon,

I still have some euros from our recent Mediterranean trip. Do you accept those?

I am into Bitcoins, got any of those you can paypal me?

I answered this question every single time. I lived in California for some time in 2015 as a songwriter and was using eBay to put money in my pocket as a side job. I was registered in CA.

I have moved back to NY and have changed the address but it keeps showing CA. No idea why. I don't understand how it's a big deal in any way though. You buy from me you get your item. Who cares what state it came from? I pay NYS sales tax as well and file NYS returns.

Look at my feedback. I am 100000% on the up and up.

Never understood the big deal over this issue.

Now you know my life story in a nutshell everyone.

Anyone else want to share?

I call BS on your entire post. Your story has changed so much on this forum I like most do not believe a word you post. Even in this thread you have changed your story.:eek:

Last post in this thread as I was told never argue with an idiot. People reading might not be able to tell who is who.:D

There is too much drachma on this thread, do you agree franc?

Mark agrees :D

And here's a shilling for your thoughts. Mark my words.

Euro killing me with these puns.

I don't think you understand how the first amendment works.

That's not me. You can continue to slander me, but like I said you have me confused with someone else. You showed private correspondence between you and a different net54 member. Not me. Bad form.

If bringing unique items to market means buying dirt cheap historicimages pictures that are worth about what you paid then trying to flip for 10x is what you have in mind, go nuts. You are free to do it, all in the name of being a force in this hobby. I am free to not trust you.

That is 100% my mistake then. How many Dewey's can there be? I apologize for that. I truly am sorry for the mix up. Thanks for talking trash about me anyways though.

If you are sorry you will edit out the comments that lie about me and throw a different net54 member under the bus.

Dewey Evans - very underrated. Hit the most home runs in the American League in the 80's.

Dewey Decimal

Don't want to have all the fun.

Dewey all agree that this thread is ridiculous?

That's a good one, but in that photo the headline turned out to be wrong. :D

Let's lawyer up.

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No dewy young miss who keeps resisting
All the time she keeps insisting

dew
 

and don't dare forget \
Dewey Decimal System

another famous period quote.

ill add '..."

when you say the psa 7 1956 topps jackie robinson was over graded..was it later submitted and it receive a lower grade? or are you just throwing out accusations and opinions.


You also stated you were a songwriter in CA.... I hope you dont go on internet boards and ask for lyrics.

I love all the great Dewey references! You all left out Donald's nephews: Huey, Dewey, and Louie

Whenever I meet someone new and tell them my name and get a quizzical look I always say "I'm the middle duck" and most get it...

PSA is incorrect.

7 is incorrect.

Over graded is an opinion.

Never let the facts interfere with your story.:eek:

Any one is welcome to send me a PM.

I will return a scan of the card that is still available.

Even worse. was it a PSA 6?

Still wrong.

Guess again.:D

Please don't say a PSA 5. That would be the worst offer ever.

The fact that you would post private emails and PayPal transactions on a public forum to try to make a point is beyond ridiculous. And it wasn't even from the person you were arguing with. In my opinion that is so far over the line of what should be considered acceptable behavior that I hope anyone who has read this thread thinks long and hard before considering doing business with you.

I have corrected the mistake and they have been deleted. I definitely disagree with you though, as if it was the right person, me posting those photos was 100% warranted to protect my reputation.

other Dewey watching this Dewey and Stephen go at it...

In trying to protect your reputation you have ruined it in my opinion. It wasn't that great around here before this thread from the posts I have seen. I would have reached out to this other Dewey with a pm that said some thing like "hey remember this transaction" before publicly posting the details online. If it was the right guy he could have retracted his claim and apologized. If he refused I could then see a justification for posting private correspondence.

I have never done anything to anyone on here and every transaction I have done on here has gone flawless minus that one guy that scammed me and got banned.

How my reputation wasn't that good I do not understand.

But as my boy Lavar says.. HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING!



https://sportscardalbum.com/c/8k4097s1.jpg

Not the guy I'd pick to represent me, but that aside I too have had flawless transactions with Dewey² hater, Stephen. Good dude!

You quoting Lavar Ball seems quite appropriate. Happy Thanks Giving.

Damn no one can take a joke lol

It wasn't that great around here before this thread

That's completely false.

He may be guilty of being a little aggressive, or eager to learn, or going full speed ahead without knowing much, and may have rubbed some of the veterans the wrong way........but his reputation was never in question. As someone who has done multiple deals with him, I'll attest to that.

Some jokes get old fast, and Lavar is one of them. FWIW Don't join him.

As long as your next one isn't about a hundred year old lady you should be fine.

pokerplr said the guys reputation wasnt great based on the posts he read, and you answered 'thats completely false' I not sure someone's opinion of posts he read can be completely false.

being rubbed the wrong way can mean many things......

Thanks Jake, and yes the impression I have gathered is that opinion is mixed. Stephen has at least annoyed many members here, myself included. I have read some posts from those who appreciate his enthusiasm and shared positive experiences in transactions. And others that have a problem with his conduct. I already shared my thoughts in this thread so I will leave it at that. But a reputation can be damaged by more than just a bad experience in a transaction or running a scam.

As I rarely see anything negative publicly posted about more than a handful of members I stand by my previous statement. If bpm0014 disagrees so be it.

Others learn from past sales, similar examples and analyzing trends in the market place which seems to be over your head while you rely on these opinions to create a business model that quite frankly comes off as predatory.

It's not rocket science in all honesty. I don't deal much in cards, so I rely more on worth point, and past auction results at auction houses as well as advice from certain dealers that have taken me under their wings so to speak when making prices, due to the types of items I sell. I try to only offer unique items that are not easily attainable on the open market, and by effectively marketing them I hope to bring a profit. I by no means am predatory and you can ask anyone on here who has ever dealt with me.. I am as honest a person as they comes and truthfully I hope someone will chime in here in regards to this. I always work with people on price, and am a pretty easy person to deal with when I buy as well, as many can attest to.
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I have sold to Stephen a couple times. I would maintain you have to get up pretty early in the morning to prey on me. Have never had any issues dealing with him.