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wondo 05-16-2017 01:15 PM

I still maintain the market is in a "Catch its Breath Mode". Lots of auctions and lots of quality have been absorbed in the past few months. Again, this is a great time to hunt bargains or pick up auction pieces against reduced competition from empty-pocket buyers. Are there gonna be spikes and en fuego pockets? Sure, but you can find some reasonable deals on main stream and unpopular issues as they take a further back seat.

ls7plus 05-16-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wondo (Post 1661943)
I still maintain the market is in a "Catch its Breath Mode". Lots of auctions and lots of quality have been absorbed in the past few months. Again, this is a great time to hunt bargains or pick up auction pieces against reduced competition from empty-pocket buyers. Are there gonna be spikes and en fuego pockets? Sure, but you can find some reasonable deals on main stream and unpopular issues as they take a further back seat.

+1 as to the opportunities available. Just as in coins, not all areas of the market will be in focus, i.e., "hot," at the same time. When a certain area is quiet, that is the time to buy. Demand inevitably comes around to rare and significant items.

Highest regards,

Larry

ls7plus 05-16-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1661714)
To be clear, you made the bold assertion that the market is "flattening definitely." You were presented evidence refuting that claim. I didn't see one person boldly claiming the converse, that all prices were rising. So your drink the koolaid comments are misdirected. Why is it so hard to admit that there are winners and losers right now, and a blanket statement, either way, is a weak argument?

Precisely. Just as in the coin market, certain sections of the market will be in focus and therefore "hot," while others are quiet. An interesting analysis of the coin market's history and the ups and downs of various portions of it can be found in several of Q. David Bowers' books, one of the foremost experts in that collectibles field. My own study of the card and car markets is in accord. Things that are available in reasonably significant quantity will be cyclical, especially in ultra high grade. Those which are decidedly outright rare and significant (or "popular," if you wish to use Bowers' preferred term) appreciate in value in a much more linear fashion. The time to buy is when the latter segment is in a quiet phase, but determining what will be deemed rare and significant and significantly more valuable in the future is up to the individual collector. That comes through research into both baseball history and knowledge about what's out there in cards. Some of your choices will be right on, and some will not. Condition, the last factor in the value equation, is the easiest to determine.

May your collecting be joyful in any event,

Larry

Vintageclout 05-16-2017 04:40 PM

Ruth Rookie
 
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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1661934)
It is also obvious that they are both badly off centered. I measured them both too and they are both more than 2:1. I don't know how you come up with 60/40. It is 70/30 to 75/25.

Whatever makes you sleep at night....

mark evans 05-16-2017 06:11 PM

I share the philosophy of buying what I like.

Those who buy for investment value, all or in part, are fine too. [Makes for some interesting threads.] But, that would create stress for me and thus not worth it.

Snapolit1 05-16-2017 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1661992)
Precisely. Just as in the coin market, certain sections of the market will be in focus and therefore "hot," while others are quiet. An interesting analysis of the coin market's history and the ups and downs of various portions of it can be found in several of Q. David Bowers' books, one of the foremost experts in that collectibles field. My own study of the card and car markets is in accord. Things that are available in reasonably significant quantity will be cyclical, especially in ultra high grade. Those which are decidedly outright rare and significant (or "popular," if you wish to use Bowers' preferred term) appreciate in value in a much more linear fashion. The time to buy is when the latter segment is in a quiet phase, but determining what will be deemed rare and significant and significantly more valuable in the future is up to the individual collector. That comes through research into both baseball history and knowledge about what's out there in cards. Some of your choices will be right on, and some will not. Condition, the last factor in the value equation, is the easiest to determine.

May your collecting be joyful in any event,

Larry

Appreciate the joyful comment very much. I get great joy from collecting and, believe it or not, from posting stuff on this board and sometimes getting my balls busted. It beats talking politics these days. I agree than its always some are up and some are down. I don't dabble in the deepest end of the pool by a long shot, but I do collect some nice 6s and 7s of Ruth and Gehrig and a few others. Goudeys, Caramels, nice Exhibits, rare strip cards. And I watch a lot of the other cards pretty carefully at least 1920-50. To my eye there has been a softening in demand for most of these cards. Not dramatic but noticeable. Looks at the Goudey 7s. Look at the rarer Gehrig cards (which I collect). Look at the CJs. I see at least a breather and more probably a genuine dip. I find the economics of the market to be pretty fascinating stuff, but I know to many of you it is anathema.

ValKehl 05-16-2017 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingfox (Post 1661926)
Maybe it's just me, but the one on the right is more off center top to bottom, has a print line of its own (albeit more faint), and is darker and not as focused as the one on the left (this could be from the scan, however). The corners are sharper on the left too.

In my book, they are nearly equal in overall appeal.

You gotta be kidding - right?

Bradyhill 05-17-2017 12:52 AM

Maybe I bought them both...

Dpeck100 05-17-2017 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bradyhill (Post 1662102)
Maybe I bought them both...



This posts reminds me of one of those Thug Life videos. Haha


What a response!


Someone with photoshop needs to post both cards next to each other with the hat, the shades and the joint and these words.


https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpre...0&h=480&crop=1

calvindog 05-17-2017 07:31 AM

This thread makes me miss Peter Chao.

Orioles1954 05-17-2017 07:37 AM

Whenever I buy a card: purchase at a record price
Whenever I sell a card: market is flat

Snapolit1 05-17-2017 08:32 AM

I know the feeling. I am equally good at buying stocks at all time highs.

1952boyntoncollector 05-17-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bradyhill (Post 1662102)
Maybe I bought them both...

They would go well with your T206 Cobb/Cobb lucky find cards.

Mountaineer1999 05-17-2017 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 1662150)
I know the feeling. I am equally good at buying stocks at all time highs.

+1

Republicaninmass 05-17-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1954 (Post 1662137)
Whenever I buy a card: purchase at a record price
Whenever I sell a card: market is flat



Has to make you wonder!

Orioles1954 05-17-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1662176)
Has to make you wonder!


Hence why I no long collect cards :)

ls7plus 05-17-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 1662150)
I know the feeling. I am equally good at buying stocks at all time highs.

It's just human nature to buy into a rising market, rather than one that is quiet for the time being. I think Steve has selected some very good value Gehrigs for the longer term, as depicted in another current thread.

Best regards,

Larry

ls7plus 05-17-2017 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BeanTown (Post 1661787)
I think Its easy to find arguments to make your point. Just last month Lou sold to Jim a Fielding Dietsche Cobb here in the BST for 1975.00 (unless Jim got him to even take less).

With all due respect to Lou, that one would have been at its very best a Good 2 (Mk), as it was certainly nowhere near a PSA 5 condition-wise, and was postally used, with a great deal of writing (and not Cobb's) on the back. Hardly a good comparison to the "5" which sold for $10,800+ in 2015, but I would call it a good, astute buy for the long term nonetheless (recently saw that a V351 Williams rookie in 1.5 Fair went for just $500 in a small auction--I would have snapped that one up to go with my Ex+ and considered it a steal for a long term hold had I seen it).

Regards,

Larry

calvindog 05-17-2017 03:59 PM

This is the one which didn't go for $10,875.70.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3118/2...edc07b2f_o.jpg


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