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They are an advertiser. If you don't like it, leave.
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PWCC business model is using the eBay platform and keeping the once successful auctions alive in the eBay community like it was over a decade ago. I Think we all agree we don't like seeing the same old cards with museum prices on them or a retail price without the auction excitement. Many complaints should go to eBay on their policies. Just set your snipe bid for a card you like and forget about it. You will either win it for what you were willing to pay for it, or you will lose it.
PWCC might want to block problem bidders who don't pay for items or people that constantly speak out saying they won't do business with them. I'm sure some of these people still bid in their auctions privately. I'm thankful they are keeping the auction process alive and they are getting a tremendous amount of material consigned to them for us collectors to have the chance to bid in and possible own if we bid high enough. |
JC I don't get your point. Are we supposed to be so grateful to PWCC for running auctions as opposed to BINs that we should overlook their flaws when people point them out, like selling a cleaned 4 as a 7 with no disclosure even though Brent was personally involved in the card's history, or announcing a crackdown on retracting bidders which as Eddie figured out in a few minutes isn't really taking place as advertised, and so on?
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I'm not dismissing one bit it was wrong what happened on the DiMaggio World Wide card which Brent IMO got greedy on and should have had full disclosure on it. I think and hope he should learn from other successful auction companies before it becomes too late with their habitual bad way of doing business like Doug Allen and the king fish of Bill Mastro. Hopefully Brent doesn't follow in their footsteps which includes the people he chooses to surround himself in the hobby circle. Allen and Mastro were tight with John Rogers who we all know how he is/was. I know many of us want Brent with PWCC to be the pioneer in the hobby on eBay to weed out the already flawed system eBay has. It's true he can do more to prevent fraud and shenanigans. It's a positive step that they are willing to do this unlike many other eBay sellers who can hide behind different alias names. |
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You see it, think it's value is $1,000 and place a snipe for $750. Heading into the final minute of the auction I see the card has no bids and use a different account to place a bid of $500 within the final seconds. The auction ends with two bids -- mine and yours. You win the card for $505, more than $200 less than what you were willing to pay!!!!! Had I not shilled it, you would have paid .99. Using your logic, you didn't get shilled or cheated because you paid less than what you were willing to. I know this example is unrealistic and very simple. I did it that way so its easy to understand. But the number of bids, the amount of bids and the timing the bids are placed makes no difference. A buyers state of mind or what he's "willing" to pay add nothing to the definition of shilling or being cheated. |
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Great news! Now maybe you can focus on; asking clients to bid on items? :eek:
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On a side note, I still don't understand why there are 40+bids on an auction that is 10 days long with 9 days left. To me, this makes no logical sense. Meaning, why are bidding wars occurring with 9 days left on a 10 day auction? This alone is a huge red flag. What is stopping a cosigner to have 10 of his buddies drive the price up on day 1 of a 10 day auction? Which IMO is happening a decent amount in PWCC auctions. Maybe I'm just not following why someone would even bid on a 10 day auction on day number 1? If I'm interested in a said auction, it first goes in my watch-list, I then look for other similar examples of the card on ebay, I come up with a price I'm willing to pay and place my bid with 10 seconds left. I can understand a bunch of bids coming in on the last day of the auction but, not on day 1 of a 10 day auction. It's very suspect to me. |
Nick as i have said for years this seems to happen over and over on many of their big ticket cards.
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For those of you who have called our PWCC phone number, you have likely spoken to Melody. Betsy Huigens PWCC Auctions, LLC |
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As always, until eBay allows us to filter bidders by defects like bid retraction history, assistance from the community in identifying bidders in violation of our policy is greatly appreciated. Betsy Huigens PWCC Auctions, LLC |
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It is a zero skill job. I know for a fact I could find someone for 3.00 an hour within 1 day time. |
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I mean, have a hired person check bids regularly, ban/give the boot to those with over 10 or 25 retractions, or whatever the new number is, and be done with them. Once weeded out, it wouldn't be that hard of a job, as far as I know, to keep up with, imo. |
If I was them and wanted to put an end to this, I would sort by "number of bids" after two days into the auction. All 25 of those bump bids to get the item on the "HOT LIST" would be eliminated, and the consignors (err, um, bidders) of those items would be blacklisted from consigning with me. And then I'd check their retraction history. And then I'd go out of business due to lack of consignors and blocked bidders. So I can see why they're slow-rolling this as long as they can.
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FWIW I just sorted all their listings by "Rookie" and Highest Price. Went through the first dozen or so and was pleasantly surprised to see almost no retractions. Worst was 6 (which is still concerning) but I checked the top 5 bidders (not bids, but distinct bidders) of each auction and the vast majority were zero, with a couple of 2's and 3's and the one 6. I know it's fashionable to bash PWCC, but this does look like improvement to me.
PS. Brent, until you can pull the data from ebay directly sorting by highest price or number of bids and then examining bid histories would be more productive then random, or trying to focus on one type of card. |
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I run very few auctions anymore, so not a great basis for comparison. That being said, I was more pointing out the progress within his auctions. 6 months ago the numbers would've looked nothing like what I discovered. Again I think there were 4 bidders out of about 48 that I checked that had ANY retractions and only one of those had more than 3. These were the top bidders on the most expensive items he has going.
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I seldom buy anything on eBay anymore, and these two threads make me question whether I should even bother trying to buy anything ever again. What a shit show. I hope that all the principals involved in this sad debacle experience the karma that they very richly deserve. |
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