How about the fact that getting it graded shows that it has not been altered.
That would be my concern . I would think a raw ticket off eBay could be trimmed , recolored or doctored in some way. I know of o was dropping a few grand it would be nice to know it was unaltered.

I don't know why people continue spouting the same old stuff. Despite the fact that the TPAs and their proponents keep saying it, getting a ticket graded DOES NOT protect your investment. As a perfect example. the OP bought this ungraded ticket for more than any graded ticket of the same game has sold in the past few years. So how exactly did grading raise or protect the value of his ticket. If anything, the exact opposite happened. His purchase raised the value of theirs.



I tend to disagree with this as well. I think what is correct is that ones sold through auction houses are more likely to be graded as it is the standard operating procedure of most auction houses to grade/authenticate/slab everything they can to try and eliminate any responsibility they have for anything. Plus by promoting the propaganda about how being authenticated makes thing more valuable, they can inflate bids and make more money. The items haven't changed, but the prices have because someone you know nothing about, hiding behind a large corporation, has given their stamp of approval.

For all we know the "someone" is a twelve year old boy who is flipping a coin to help him decide what grade to give.
I have always found it very annoying that they cloak the identities of authenticators behind closed doors and blanket certs. What are they afraid of, daylight is good.

All the tickets that have been linked to this thread have been graded without a numeric grade. A PSA 2 sold ten days ago for $3,900.

https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/lo..._cubs_ticket_s

So there, PSA protects your investment.

Glad you were able to finally find ONE singular example to prove your point.

Just goes to show that there are still some people out there who drink the Kool Aid without asking questions.

Here's the worlds ugliest ticket getting $3,100 because it's a PSA 2:
https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/lo...called_shot__g

It has a program with it, but the program isn't worth particularly much.

If you can find a PSA 3 or higher Called Shot ticket go for less than $2,800 you would have some sort of argument I guess. You seem convinced though, so could you send a link?

Oh, really? It's a scored Game 3 program. It's worth quite a bit.

There's a sucker born every minute.

Just a hobbiest who knows how the world works and isn't bitter about it.

Maybe $500-600. The lot sold for $3,100 so the ticket sold for around $2,500-2,600. Are you saying that this ticket would've sold for more if It weren't graded? It's missing an entire corner and looks burnt. Far nicer raw tickets have gone for less.

There is no reason to continue this discussion with you if you think a scored WS game program from the Called Shot game isn't particularly valuable. If you really think that, then there is nothing else to discuss.
There are many more of that ticket in existence than scored programs from that game. An advanced Ruth or WS collector would likely pay as much, perhaps more, for it than the ticket. The tickets are desirable, but aren't really rare. OTOH, I can't remember ever seeing a scored program from that game. Not being sarcastic, but does anyone know of an example of a scored program from that game being sold previously? IF so, do you know when it was and how much it sold for?

Which leads to entire other point about how stupid ticket grading is. If tickets are graded using the same scale as cards, which is what was posted earlier in this thread, how in the world did that one get a 2? What cards do you know of looking burnt and missing corners that would get a 2? Even more of a sham.

The ticket is worth 2500+ The program is worth aRond $500 ... I've owned 5 or more of both... True only a few were scored... The only other game was game 4 and it was Ruths last w.s. Game that the program could be for if it was unscored.

I find it hard to believe that a scored program from that game is only $500, the same as unscored. Do you have any links to sold ones?

I just realized, the one that just sold in Goldin was also graded a 2. How in the world is it possible that both are 2's? Who graded those and why aren't they being held accountable for this type of nonsense? Is there no quality control?

Scored programs sell all the time:

$637

$650

No bid - $200 minimum

Here are scored program/ticket combos with BEAUTIFUL tickets that all sold for less than the ugly PSA 2:

$500 Less

Also $500 Less

Ok. I stand corrected on that value.
Still $2500 for the ticket is going rate.

Any response on the lack of quality control to the grading?

Valid point I guess that is that .

Not really. I think they do a better job than most, but make more mistakes than they should. PSA numeric grades carry a premium, why? People can be idiots. Those idiots help fund my hobby, so I'm not going to complain.

Many graded authentic are better then ones graded 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.

On their form you have the choice to just get it graded as Authentic.

Some people just want it known that its not a fake, reprint, etc. Thus they say just code it Authentic, and don't care if its a 1 or 5.

So pretty sure many graded Authentic are in much better shape then ones with grades.

You can go on Ebay and see a near perfect ticket and it will say
authentic not have a 1 2 or 7.

There is no uniform grading in tickets, they just have a seat filler doing the job.

And the purpose of the ticket and ticket stub collecting is the event, and the fact that someone with the ticket saw the event. So you could have a perfectly mint stub go for way more for one that had creases, and the perfect one, never saw the inside of the stadium that day. I'll take the creased one that was there.

Ticket grading
 

You are misinformed or just haven't seen enough tickets to know. The grading is actually pretty consistent by PSA in tickets. What is tough is that they grade the tickets just like the baseball cards. TICKETS ARE RARE... Very few remain in good shape. I always care about the grade if it is a three or higher, that is a beautiful vintage ticket. Newer tickets, I really don't care (meaning I don't value an 8 more than a ten, but very few others do). I have submitted thousands of tickets to PSA. I have also sold thousands ungraded. I am not submitting these tickets because I think they are not real. I am submitting them so they can be sold at auction, displayed with what happens at the game i.e. Historic games are nice to have on the flip. (True tickets graded authentic may have been able to receive a numeric grade but they also may have been trimmed with scissors)

An example of the importance of the flip would be the 1921 World Series. 95% of you reading this are historians but wont know what happened in games 1-5. Two of those games are worth way more than the other games. If they were in a holder even my 12 year old son could figure out which two games are the most valuable.
The poster was correct on slabbing the called shot ticket. Now 100% of the population knows what happened in that game when they look at the ticket instead of less than 20% of the population.

Absolutely! I don't understand the fascination with complete tickets that were never anywhere near the event in question. I'll take the torn stub that was in a fan's pocket.

Complete nonsense. If you don't know what happened in Game 3 of the 1932 WS, then you have absolutely no interest in the stub--slabbed or unslabbed. Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it.

Gee... You sound like a certain Presidential candidate. (When he thinks no one is listening.)

precisely, David...

knowledge is power.

JMO

well done.

DS

Great for you two experts that just commented.. Without googling.. My ideal example is which two games are the most expense tickets of the 1921 World Series games 1-5...

I am not advertising for PSA their turn around time for tickets is terrible and it absolutely doesn't pay to grade a ticket that is less than $100....

my comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with the time frame - YOUR opinion is fine, and certainly respected! - I'd love to have one of these tickets if the price was right (o/w greatly undervalued or priced - IF I happened to run across one, 'cuz I a cheap MFer)!!! incidentally, I'm certainly no "expert" , and I definitely appreciate your (and others) desire to have tickets, etc. - encapsulated/preserved for aesthetic or future value purposes...apologies IF my reply pi$$ed YOU (stlcardinalsfan) off, but I was actually replying to david's response, of which I wholeheartedly agree - I respect ALL opinions, particularly when a quote such as "slabbed or unslabbed... Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it..." is attributed to a knowledgable/well-meaning member - and it's MY belief - based on what I've seen if I recall correctly - YOU are one as well...again, JMO although - perhaps in MY case at least: opinions are like a$$holes.

NO hard feelings, stlcardinalsfan and anybody else - who MAY be pi$$ed off with my replies - happy collecting!

xo
ME

You didn't really make me mad. I just want to make sure that people know that Psa is good for stating the event of the game. For example 1937 gam4 is Gehrig last World Series homerun, 1937 game five is the Yankees clincher, 1956 game five is a Larsen perfect game, 1956 game seven is a Yankee clincher as well as Jackie Robinson's last game, 1951 game one World Series ticket is Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle's world series debut 1951 game 2 Mickey Mantle slips on a drain and hurt his knee 1951 game six is a Yankees clincher 1952 game one Jackie Robinson hit a homerun 1952 game six was mantles World Series first homerun 1952 game seven is mantles second career homerun and a clincher. It took me 30 seconds to type this and I know what happened in the games but the majority of people even if they are baseball fans have no idea. When people look at these tickets (not slabbed) they just look at the face value and think it's cool. many dealers and casual baseball fans since they aren't dealing with tickets every day make these mistakes commonly. I can give example for a ticket collector picked up a 1952 game seven Mickey Mantle second World Series homerun it's probably worth close to 750-$1000 for $100 because the gentleman had it marked "52 World Series Dodgers ticket"... That was bought at this years national... That is why I advocate for holdering/ grading your expensive stubs.... Yours truly Jamie Burzynski
By the way the ugly called shot ticket that was ripped at the top that got a Psa 2 with the program was given that grade because Psa deemed that rip as a poor ushers tear...if the gentleman did get a 3 on his called shot, that again was graded fairly... I say that because if I recall the ticket when I was looking at it initially (thinking about bidding on it) I thought it would grade a 3.... Here is a good nugget for those of you that care... If you can see any kind of crease on your ticket no matter the age (even 1920s) that ticket shouldn't get over a 4.

I'm one of those idiots too. I own graded cards. Everyone in this forum either collects cardboard, old paper or pen scribbles made by dead men. There is very little room (if any) for an intellectual high ground.

Members were making a claim that plastic covered cardboard is less valuable than plastic-free cardboard. I provided evidence to the contrary. The general public prefers their cardboard covered in plastic. Why? Who cares.

My personal opinion is I think giving a ticket a grade doesn't accomplish anything. It's a ticket. It's a 2 or a 3, really? Why not a 4?
If you want to encase it, go ahead. But grading it, Who the heck cares as long as it looks good? That all said, if when going to sell it, I can get more than my grading fee back by doing it, then I would do it. It just makes cents. :)

I agree completely Leon!!!

Or sense... ;)

By consistent, you obviously mean consistently wrong....calling Game 5 of the 1919 WS, Game 3, thus getting it wrong for your 12 year old son who only goes by the flip.

For those who don't know pretty much prior to 1920 (I could be off by a couple years) some home teams in the WS would just label their ticket 1,2,3,4 for home games, not the game number of the Series. So the 3 on the Sox Ticket was for home game # 3 of the Series for them, not the 3rd overall game. Thus 1st 2 being played in Cincy, made Game 3, White Sox home game # 1. So home game # 3 was actually Game 5 of the Series.

But I just have not seen enough tickets to know.......PSA are the experts : )

and 1 finally getting it right
 

...hey 1 out 3 ain't bad. PSA batting .333 - Now how would you like your son to bring home a 33% on a test.

also riddle me this genius of the lamp.....take a look at that 1st 1919 ticket they got wrong, and it's graded "Authentic", but that sure looks like a 2 to me, I mean a 4, no wait a 3.....could be 5, no it's a 2..................or is it a 3?

Your telling me this one is Authentic while the one below it with paper loss is a 3??????? and that brutal 1932 one is a 2...oh yah they are consistent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW5m8uxnKxc


ka ka......ka boom!!!!!!

Your picking one game out of thousands of games that PSA has graded. Yes that ticket was mislabeled and actually I believe went through a large auction house and they didn't catch it....A ticket that was the clincher for this series with another from Cincinnati brought 16000 for the pair because I and a couple of individuals absolutely knew that PSA made a mistake. Do you think it would be more likely mislabeled by PSA or another baseball specialist selling it as raw. Apparently the owner of the ticket didn't know it was game 5 either or they would have had PSA correct the slab. You haven't done anything to enlighten/ educate the readers to why you correctly were able to label the ticket as a game 5. It is a game 5 ticket because the World Series prior to 1919 had the home game on the ticket not the correct World Series game (so that whitesox ticket was valid for home game 3 which was game 5 of the series.).
PSA STATING WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THAT GAME (THE FLIP) HELPS SELL, DISPLAY, & EDUCATE THE POPULATION and has advanced the price and popularity of tickets.

If you handed a stack of (4) 1960 Boston tickets to board members with various dates and 1 dated 9/28/1960 and said what are these worth. They wouldn't get up to the price of the one ticket September 28, 1960 that you sold holdered for $500 (which was a very fair price) I wish I would have bought it, because they wouldn't have know the significance of the 9/28/1960'game.

I am collecting all 4 Koufax no hitters/ perfect game tickets (please email me if you have one to sell). I couldn't pick any of them out of a stack of Dodgers tickets. I can't even tell you what years he completed the task, but if someone holdered that ticket with a PSA label I would immediately spot it in their showcase... IN A PSA HOLDER...MANY KOUFAX FANS, TICKET COLLECTORS,MEMORABILIA COLLECTORS, CARD COLLECTORS ARE NOW SECURE THAT IS THE GAME THAT KOUFAX THREW A No HITTER AND THAT TICKET IS ORIGINAL.

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We all make mistakes including PSA..
 

:confused: was your ticket from 1961 or 1960. The PSA slab says 1960 but you say 1961. People make mistakes (even REA) Your mistake wasn't a big deal and most didn't notice it and your ticket still sold (GLAD PSA DIDN'T HAVE A TYPO) You have intelligently stated why you dislike PSA . Some tickets I send to PSA and some I don't. I get frustrated by them, but I am glad they are in business. I can choose to use them or not. They are going to make mistakes, but they do try to correct them. Their turn around time is too slow but I still appreciate their business. For the record I too don't care if a ticket is a two or three as long as it looks nice. If it is graded a four or better. I KNOW ITS NICE

Mine was a typo in a thread. They are paid to get it right, and it's on the product they provide, BIG difference. On the product I sold everything was correct. They have a history of making errors on the service they provide.

And you still have failed to address the Authentic 1919 ticket vs the PSA 3 ticket. Crack the Authentic one out of its slab and put it in the same auction as the one marked PSA 3, which gets the better price?

The one that you cracked out of the holder as long as the auction house will take the ticket (outside of the PSA holder). Some auction houses won't take a high priced ticket without PSA or SGC authentication. Many times if my ticket is going to score a 1 or a 2 I do click the Box for authentic only. I would rather have an authentic ticket instead of a 1. I do believe that some people not real familiar with tickets might not bid on the high priced 1919 world series ticket because they are afraid it is a reproduction.

There's no need for the PSA holder with it. I'm talking just the 2 tickets at a major auction house, one , the authentic one shown all by its lonesome self vs the PSA 3 shown as well, which does better?


and here are examples of tickets without holders doing just fine:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...2008/1209.html

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/191...ription-071515

oh wait sorry just re-read your post so you did say the one without the holder. Thanks, that's all I needed to know.

yeah hes sarcastic a lot but i blocked him so i dont need a rosetta stone to make any future determinations. Your forum experience will also increase multi-fold.