Grading Company's incorrect dating of the 1949 LEAF cards
 

OK guys, here I go again in my criticism of PSA, SGC, etc. because of their wrong dates on their flips regarding the 1949 LEAF cards.

But, I do salute PSA and SGC for getting it right on the 1949 LEAF Premiums. Most of us (old dudes) who were lucky enough to collect these cards in 1949
remember that these HOFer picture premiums were included in the 24-count wax-pack boxes. There is absolutely no doubt that the Premiums were issued
simultaneously with the cards.


So, can any of you explain this contradiction. Why do the Premiums' flips have a 1949 date, while the BB cards' flips have "fictitious" dates ?


SGC identifies these cards as 1948-1949, I don't know how Beckett dates them, and PSA is totally incorrect with their 1948 date........

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tBluexBlue.jpg




https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BabeRuth50.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...iumGehrigX.jpg



TED Z
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Ah, yes, Steve I remember that one, too. I think it was Memory Lane just this past summer/fall. A PSA 3 with a light blueish grey background. I also thought about bidding on it, but it sold for just north of $3K! I would likely buy it today to go along with these two (plus a few other Leafs)....

http://i.imgur.com/yIKoTKR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nFymsQo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KSUR91f.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zd9hcJ5.jpg

Wow. Awesome Joe D.s!

Nice little run of Leafs
 

Here's what I've got -- Just love this set!
Plus the Wagner who was a recent addition to the party :cool:

What a set!
 

Can you name any other set that has DiMaggio, Ruth, Musial, Williams, Paige and Robinson in it? Lucky if you can get 3 out of the 6 in the same set.

Oddly for Seerey, Platt and Weigel it was their one and only time on cardboard. Aberson, I believe can also be added to the "one time only" list.

Thanks, Steve. :)

Nice Leaf lineups there, Jason and Mike!

1949 LEAF BB cards & Premiums
 

Hey guys,

Approx. 50 posts (to date) displaying a variety of 1949 LEAF BB cards in this thread. I really appreciate all of your responses. Let's see some more.

I realize most of you on this forum are into graded cards. And, that's fine. I prefer to collect these cards in their original form. Just as I did as a kid.

The 101 cards in my 1st LEAF set are in Hi-Quality Mylar. Sixty-two of the 74 cards in my 2nd set are also in Mylar. These 12 displayed here are the
last remaining graded cards in my LEAF collection. Eventually, I will free them from their hard plastic capsules and let them "breathe" :)



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rResTru50x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lAdaMur50x.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rGorFel50x.jpg >> Feller back >> http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...xFeller27b.jpg



TED Z
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3 tough SPs & a Joe D that haven't been slabbed (yet..)

Short-Print series......
 

It looks this thread is winding down. But, before it fades away onto page 2, it would be nice to have displayed all the 2nd series short-print cards,
since these cards are not often seen. So far, we have already posted about 1/2 of the 49 cards in this series.

Therefore, here are 9 more......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...GrJoHuHo25.jpg


Incidentally......the Orval Grove bio is one of several bios in this set that reinforces the fact that the 1949 LEAF cards were never issued in 1948.
This card mentions the trade of Early Wynn from Washington to Cleveland on Dec 14, 1948.


TED Z
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1949 LEAF BB cards vs Premiums
 

I reiterate....Can any of you explain this contradiction. Why are the Premiums' flips correctly dated 1949....while the BB cards' flips have "fictitious" dates ?


TED Z
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Before this thread fades away....I thought it would be nice to have displayed all the 2nd series short-print cards, since these cards are not often seen.

So far, we have posted about 1/2 of the 49 cards in this series. In post #89, I added 9 new short-prints. And, here is another group of short-prints....


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SpSwWaZa25.jpg


One more group to complete this series of 49 short-prints will be posted later.


TED Z
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Four pretty good arms. Tough cards and tough to hit. All short prints.

That's a beautiful satchel.. Man......

1949 LEAF short-print series......
 

Hi Mike

Those 4 beauties are awesome......you are the quintessential 1949 LEAF BB card collector.


OK guys,

With this group of 1949 LEAF's, we have completed the display in this thread of all 49 cards in the 2nd series (short-prints).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...StBaCaSc25.jpg
.................................................. ........ Last card in set (#168)




It's always nice to see more of these LEAF cards, especially the various color printing anomalies....so, show us your LEAF's.


TED Z
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FYI....1949 LEAF 2nd series (short-prints) checklist by teams......


BOSTON BRAVES
----------------------
ALVIN DARK
TOMMY HOLMES
HAROLD REISER

BOSTON RED SOX
-----------------------
MATHEW BATTS
DOM DiMAGGIO
BILLY GOODMAN
JOHNNY PESKY
VERN STEPHENS

CHICAGO CUBS
--------------------
PHIL CAVARETTA
FRANK GUSTINE
EMIL LEONARD
HARRY LOWREY
BOB SCHEFFING
JOHNNY SCHMITZ
HARRY WALKER

CHICAGO WHITE SOX
---------------------------
FLOYD BAKER
ORVAL GROVE
CASIMER MICHAELS
DAVE PHILLEY

CINCINNATI REDS
-----------------------
BOBBY ADAMS
HANK SAUER
JOHN WYROSTEK

CLEVELAND INDIANS
---------------------------
BOB FELLER
LEROY PAIGE
LARRY DOBY
KEN KELTNER
DALE MITCHELL

DETROIT TIGERS
----------------------
GEORGE KELL
HAL NEWHOUSER
WALTER EVERS
FRED HUTCHINSON
VIRGIL TRUCKS

NEW YORK GIANTS
------------------------
SID GORDON

NEW YORK YANKEES
---------------------------
TOMMY HENRICH

PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS
----------------------------------
EDDIE JOOST
HENRY MAJESKI
BARNEY McCOSKY

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
--------------------------------
ED MILLER
DICK SISLER

PITTSBURGH PIRATES
-----------------------------
KIRBY HIGBE
DANNY MURTAUGH
EDDIE STEVENS

ST LOUIS BROWNS
-------------------------
BOB DILLINGER
CLIFFORD FANNIN
AL ZARILLA

ST LOUIS CARDINALS
---------------------------
ENOS SLAUGHTER
HARRY BRECHEEN
GEORGE KUROWSKI

WASHINGTON SENATORS
--------------------------------
EDDIE STEWART



TED Z
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I just wanted to publicly thank Ted Z for starting this thread and all the great information provided about this set. I only have two from the set but my Musial is easily in my top five favorite cards I own.

If anyone else has other info, printing anomalies, or just addition cards to show please do.

Thanks again Ted for making this post war collector visit the prewar side a bit more over the last few weeks.:)

Drew

(Already shown but why not?)

Hi Drew

I appreciate your very kind words. And, I am glad this thread got you to check-out the pre-war side of this forum.

I debated whether to post this thread here, or in the post-war section. I felt that the historic significance of the 1949 LEAF's, being
the 1st major colorized BB card set since 1941, warranted higher exposure. I'm very pleased with the enthusiastic responses here.

Anyhow, I think you will be adding some more 1949 LEAF's to your collection.


TED Z
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Sacrifice Fly
 

What would Ted Williams batting average be if the sacrifice fly was in effect? I think I read his 1941 average would have been .422............

My only 1948 Leaf................

Thanks to this thread, i have started to collect this set. It calls to me for some reason.

Thanks Ted

Hi fduran27

I appreciate the compliment....and, wish you lots of luck collecting these cards. Especially, if your goal is to complete the set of all 98 subjects.

It's a real challenge worth pursuing.


TED Z
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So YOU'RE the guy screwing up the pop reports...

:)

A brief retrospective on the LEAF GUM Co. (1948 - 1949)
 

Here are some recollections regarding the LEAF GUM cards from my youth.

Early in 1948, the first cards marketed by LEAF were Pirates of the Seas cards with a 1" x 2" stick of Bubble gum in 1-cent wax-packs.
These cards are very tough to find; and, very seldom seen.



In 1948, LEAF issued their ALL-STAR FOOTBALL GUM set comprising of 98 cards, issued in two 49-card series. Jackie Jensen's rookie
card is in the tougher Hi # series. A tremendous FB and BB athlete, Jackie decided in favor of BB when he signed with the Oakland Oaks
of the PCL in 1949.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ieJensen25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eJensen25b.jpg





In the Fall of 1948, LEAF introduced their KNOCK-OUT BUBBLE GUM set (49 cards + Rocky Graziano). These cards were very popular.
And, due to high demand, LEAF ran additional press runs of them in early 1949 (gray cardboard versions).

1948 was the 3rd meeting of the famous Rocky Graziano vs Tony Zale fights of that era. Zale knocked out Graziano in this 3rd match-up,
winning 2 of the 3 fights. The Graziano card is extremely rare. Supposedly, Rocky did not like his picture and had LEAF remove his card.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ZaleZale25.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...1949Zale18.jpg
1948 issue .................................................. ....... 1949 issue







LEAF issued the 1st series (49 cards) of their ALL-STAR BASEBALL GUM in early Spring of 1949. And, issued the 2nd series (49 cards)
in limited distribution during the Summer of 1949.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DiMaggio25.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...iMaggio25b.jpg







ALL-STAR FOOTBALL GUM issued in 1949 (49 cards).
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nyLujack25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yLujack25b.jpg



Hey guys....I don't think this show is over, yet. So, let's see some more of your LEAF cards.


TED Z
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I have no Leaf's to share but want to give a thanks for sharing firsthand knowledge of some almost prewar cards. :)

+1

Just thought I'd add my uncut sheet of 1948 LEAF boxing cards to illustrate the format of how the LEAF GUM Co.
printed all their sports cards (1948-1949).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...9cardsheet.jpg


And, here is an old B/W photo of an uncut sheet of the 1st series of the 1949 BB cards.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eries1x50x.jpg



TED Z
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1949 LEAF BB cards with wrong-backs
 

Complementary pair of wrong backs from my 1949 LEAF set.

These inverted backs on the cards in 2nd (scarce) series tells us that the printer simply ran the pre-printed 49-card sheets (of fronts)
in reverse when doing the back run.

I've never seen 1st series wrong-backs from this set. Anyhow, if you have 1949 LEAF wrong-backs, please post them here.....Thanks.



.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...idGordonWB.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dGordonWBk.jpg



TED Z
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My only Leaf:

[IMG]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...psngrykbwo.jpg[/IMG]

Mike

Leaf baseball
 

posted a day or two ago in a watercooler talk thread...picked up these and a few
commons (NO SPs) in a mid-1980's trade for a '54 Aaron, Mays and Williams

.

1949 LEAF BB cards
 

Nice cards, guys.

Thanks for sharing them with us.


TED Z
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'49 Leaf Satchel Paige PSA 7
 

Those are some incredible cards Gent's, thank you all for sharing!

I am a huge fan of '49 Leaf and would love to show off more but unfortunately this is the only (1) that we have at the moment.

We can only afford so many MONSTERS at a time.

Semper Fi!
Joe

Mic drop

What the crap?


This one has been on eBay lately right?

My #1 dream card. One day......in a PSA 1 or lower!

:)

In a similar vein I always wonder why the Ruth from this set sells for such high prices. I mean it is a post-career card printed after his death just like the 62 Topps or any other postwar Ruth card. Why does it garner prices as if it was issued during his career? It's an attractive card to me but I don't understand why it is so IMHO overpriced.

Good morning, indeed we had listed the PSA 7 for sale on eBay under our ID: Veterans_Investment_Group

The Leaf Paige is definitely one of the great card's to own in this hobby, good luck buddy...hope you can track down a nice PSA 1 or Authentic Paige for your collection. If I come across one, I will definitely point you in the right direction!

Happy Holiday's gent's.

Semper Fi!
Joe

It's all a matter of "relativity"....you consider this vintage card of Ruth "overpriced"....however, when compared with his Goudey cards (or earlier cards),
it is reasonably priced. Ruth is Ruth, and most collectors want an old card of him.

Here are the two from my two 1949 LEAF sets......


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...beruth49_1.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rResTru50x.jpg


TED Z
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Here's my Hans demonstrating that QC that Leaf was so known for..

https://s29.postimg.org/43l42ijl3/image.jpg

I think it is a MUCH better looking card than any in the Goudey sets but what I meant by ovepriced was overpriced compared to other cards that saw release after his death. If the Leaf had been issued in 1933 it would be without a doubt his finest looking playing days card.

1948 pirates
 

I missed this thread earlier. My one addition is the 1948 pirates series that Ted mentioned in an earlier post. An uncut sheet I picked up a few years back.

Thanks Peachman82

I haven't seen this many LEAF Pirates cards since I was a 10 year old kid.


TED Z
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1948 Leaf - Jackie Robinson - RC

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Y6IAAO...Uy/s-l1600.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tVkAAO...U3/s-l1600.jpg

Deleted.
 

Double post.

this is a great thread, just commenting so i can remember where it is!

1949 Leaf BB cards....show us your Leaf's
 

I am reprising this thread as it illustrates a rich amount of LEAF cards on display.
Especially all the 2nd Series (short-prints)....which are very seldom seen.
And, many of my color variations.

Plus, Mike Ryan's (long-time 1949 LEAF BB collector) beautiful cards.

After all is said and done.....pictures are always worth a "1000 words" :)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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I’m Schmeling a few more cards. Picked these up a few months ago.

signed 1948/1949 Leaf set chase
 

here are a few of my favorites from my signed Leaf set chase Dimaggio, Ted, Stan, as well as my best SP's (unsigned) - Paige, Doby, Hal. I'm up to 31/98 on the signed set and would love it if anyone could reach out if they have any FS!

What a wonderful thread -- a trip down Net54 memory lane!

Even more impressed with the cards in this thread with the passage of time.

My own Leaf run from earlier in the thread has rounded out a bit now. Many thanks to the board members who helped along the way.
The Jackie and Ruth were actually two of my very first cards bought via Net54, and I am still very grateful to the sellers! Great memories.

Updated pic:

Great cards everyone, here is my one Ruth Leaf

These are amazing copies across the board. Centering color registration - awesome!

Not a set I collect, but a cool thread. I have a handful of Leaf cards, including these two misfits. Can anyone offer a good explanation with what is going on with them? Harris has a really dark area below his mouth that looks like a beard (not ink on card), and the Evans has registration issues that caused the weird border overlap on the left side?

Brian

My best Teddy Ballgame: