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rats60 04-23-2016 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1530572)
of course you do:

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

edjs 04-23-2016 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie (Post 1530776)
Nice T5's, Ed...Here's a Playball card which is obviously not pre WWII, but is in the spirit of this section...

Thanks for noticing the T5s, I love these, especially Leach. Your Heilmann is really nice, he looks so sad, though. Is that what you meant by the spirit of this section? I was trying to provide something else to look at as people browse through all the dialogue. There are a few items shown, and I was looking at the frequency of posts:items, and it seemed time for more items. Derek's contribution of Jackies and Reds was spectacular (as are all the players shown in this thread). Anyways, I enjoy reading all the views/thoughts/opinions/OTs from all of you. It sure beats sitting around staring at the walls. As far as Prince goes, he played a whole bunch of instruments, but guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell!

Peter_Spaeth 04-23-2016 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1530854)
http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Yeah you would think Clapton Page Richards Berry before you would think of Prince, I would anyhow. I saw some clips where his pyrotechnics were pretty awesome but greatness is more than that. 1 or 33 though a terrible shame that he died young.

Leon 04-23-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1530849)
mission accomplished.

After that go play some Joe Walsh, "There goes the neighborhood."

Bosox Blair 04-23-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1530848)

things to do today:


3. gonna have to please yourself

There are other forums/websites for that too.

Cheers,
Blair

begsu1013 04-23-2016 01:22 PM

joe walsh? now we are talking!!

ordinary average guy is so underated, imo.

been lucky enough to see him twice.

"it's hard to leave when you cant find the door"

and not 100% sure the clapton thing has been disproved yet. im sure we'll get something outta clapton in the next few days.

but this is him in his own words and pretty much the same point:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xhIwBNTQ5Yo

the 'stache 04-23-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1530854)
While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

Kenny Cole 04-24-2016 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1531084)
Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists. :)

TUM301 04-24-2016 05:15 AM

Pre War Guitarist
 
Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

Pat R 04-24-2016 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1531084)
Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I agree with you Bill. A while back I was checking out the list to see where some members of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd band ranked (Steve Gaines, Allen Collins and Gary Rossington). I was shocked to see not one of them made the list and just as shocked with some of the people that did. I thought all three could/should have made the list. If there is a top ten list of the worst list's this one should be on it.

rats60 04-24-2016 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1531084)
Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

You are referring to this list that didn't have Prince even listed and it is crap. The list with Prince at 33 has Cobain at 73 and all those guys you listed well ahead of him. Beck 5, Van Halen 8, Gilmour 14, May 26, Rhoads 36 and Blackmore 50.

That list is the opinions of other professional guitarists. The top 3 is pretty well established, Hendrix, Clapton, Page. The further you go down the list, the more subjective it becomes. The point still stands, while Prince was a great guitarist, he was no where near the best living guitarist.

4815162342 04-24-2016 07:14 AM

The irony of this thread is palpable.

Peter_Spaeth 04-24-2016 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole (Post 1531106)
I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists. :)

I think the original RS list had Robert Johnson quite high. The revised one he dropped down.

begsu1013 04-24-2016 09:15 AM

les paul.

edit: and agreed, i'd rather have a roll of toilet paper than a rolling stone.

begsu1013 04-24-2016 09:38 AM

and speaking of rolling stone and it's corporate agendas...this is one of my fav clips.

derek trucks melting john mayer's face:

john mayer who?


not sure if derek ever made RS lists. probably not, but that's more credible to me. i dig the under the radar guys like trucks, warren haynes, dave schools (bass), etc.

edit: in closing for prince, here is a link to his final show. kinda a slow show...it's primarily a panic site, but it has streams of live shows for just about anyone worth listening to along the right hand side.

just about anything found here



back to prewar.

frankbmd 04-24-2016 09:58 AM

The Pick Off
 
This thread coupled with the death of Prince Not Fielder may have the unintended consequence of proving that the number of prewar thread topics may be finite. If true, I feel like weeping.:eek::eek::eek:;)

So to paraphrase a baseball play, let's have a Net54 Pick Off contest.
For those of you with limited free time, watch and listen only to the last two
minutes of each of the following. The contestants are Prince and Clapton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4J6i_vw0w

Disclaimer: I have no knowledge or opinion on the top guitarists of all time, but I do have hearing loss.:mad::mad::mad::D

begsu1013 04-24-2016 10:10 AM

for ease, starting at last 2 minutes:

prince


clapton


.

Peter_Spaeth 04-24-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1531181)
and speaking of rolling stone and it's corporate agendas...this is one of my fav clips.

derek trucks melting john mayer's face:

john mayer who?


not sure if derek ever made RS lists. probably not, but that's more credible to me. i dig the under the radar guys like trucks, warren haynes, dave schools (bass), etc.

edit: in closing for prince, here is a link to his final show. kinda a slow show...it's primarily a panic site, but it has streams of live shows for just about anyone worth listening to along the right hand side.

just about anything found here



back to prewar.

Derek is 16th.

Eric72 04-24-2016 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342 (Post 1531119)
The irony of this thread is palpable.

I agree.

begsu1013 04-24-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1531200)
Derek is 16th.

wow! so they are only 90% sell-outs? that's nice.

Peter_Spaeth 04-24-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1531218)
wow! so they are only 90% sell-outs? that's nice.

The lists vary. Some are politically correct BS by critics but some I believe are chosen by actual musicians. The top 100 songs for instance changed really dramatically from one iteration to another.

FourStrikes 04-24-2016 02:16 PM

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Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

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