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Vintageclout 10-15-2015 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by V117collector (Post 1461800)
OMG! OVERATED HITTER, are you 4real? now thats funny!:)
Is it??? In 12 FULL seasons he's batted LES THAN .250 4x and below .260 3x. Seven out of twelve seasons batting below .260??? True, power numbers are good (.865 OPS which rank him 15th among current players), but his lifetime .257 average is extremely suspect. No doubt he's a formidable hitter but certainly not a "great" hitter. I've watched him over the past 12 seasons and cant help but think his good power numbers have been at the expense of beating up on many below average pitchers. Only my opinion....

Peter_Spaeth 10-15-2015 10:29 AM
:D
Never hit more than 16 HR, then hits 54? Did he discover spinach?

V117collector 10-15-2015 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461815)
Is it??? In 12 FULL seasons he's batted LES THAN .250 4x and below .260 3x. Seven out of twelve seasons batting below .260??? True, power numbers are good (.865 OPS which rank him 15th among current players), but his lifetime .257 average is extremely suspect. No doubt he's a formidable hitter but certainly not a "great" hitter. I've watched him over the past 12 seasons and cant help but think his good power numbers have been at the expense of beating up on many below average pitchers. Only my opinion....
:)

http://m.mlb.com/tor/video/topic/887...s-54-home-runs

Vintageclout 10-15-2015 10:47 AM
Toronto vs. Texas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim F (Post 1461812)
Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

baseball tourist 10-15-2015 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 1461651)
I am not a Jays fan, but I couldn’t blame the reaction of the Toronto Fans, because if they had lost the game on such an absurd play, that would have been a travesty. I don’t condone the bottle throwing – as that was very dangerous – but if I was a Jays fan in those stands I would be going crazy too (we all would whether we thought the call was right or not).

As for Bautista, I enjoyed every second of his stare down and flip - pure entertainment, which is what I tune in for. (but if it was my team he did that against I would hate him and despise his actions ;).) You have to realize the emotion of that moment and the entire game.

As far fans cheering cheaters - every fan for every team does it if the player is on your team. Boston and LA fans cheered Manny Ramirez, SF cheered Bonds, Milwaukee cheers for Braun…and so on…(remember Dodger fans wildly cheering for Ramirez from "Mannywood" in left field even after he was suspended 50 games for PEDs?)

The fact is if they are on your team you cheer pretty much unconditionally (if your team is winning), and if they are on the other team you hate, despise and think of every way to bash them.
What Joe said...except that I am a Jays fan, and have been since my Pops took me to the inaugural game in 1977.

Jose's bat flip was a cathartic gesture, shaking off 8 years (his) and 23 years (Jays fans) of frustration.

The "fans" that threw beer cans should be embarrassed. I attended Game 1 and 2 in Toronto and despite a terrible strike zone being utilised by the umps, nothing like that happened. The team have seen their share of band-wagon jumpers, that don't understand the game and are there to get drunk and party, like any successful team. Pls don't paint the whole fanbase and town with this brush.

Good luck to KC...they will need it!

Bugsy 10-15-2015 10:56 AM
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Nothing new here...

OCTOBER 19, 2004

Fans throw items onto the field after Alex Rodriguez #13 of the New York Yankees was called out on a tag at first base by Pitcher Bronson Arroyo #61 of the Boston Red Sox in the eighth inning during game six of the American League Championship Series.

Vintageclout 10-15-2015 10:56 AM
Toronto vs. Texas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461824)
FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.
Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

Leon 10-15-2015 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461828)
Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.
Hey Joe
I think you are arguing with yourself? Are you going to sue Archive next? :)

Shoeless Moe 10-15-2015 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461793)
+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.
Maybe he wouldn't beat up on such average pitchers if that's all the Yankees kept putting out there against him.

Sean 10-15-2015 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1461785)
Sort of lost in the bat flip tempest is the incredible, perhaps unprecedented implosion of Elvis Andrus.
He's become the Mike Andrews of this generation. (Old guy reference). :D

Sean 10-15-2015 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461828)
Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.
I can't believe how many people think that it's acceptable to hit someone with a pitch just because they did something to annoy the other pitcher/ team. Instead of saying "the game has changed", maybe we should ask why that sort of behavior was allowed in the first place.

How many guys have had their careers shortened or ended by being hit with a pitch? Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thon, Kirby Puckett, Mickey Cochrane just off the top of my head. And of course Ray Chapman. And yet we long for the days when Bob Gibson would hit someone for taking too much time circling the bases after a home run, or Drysdale would hit a guy just for digging in against him? I like that umpires will now throw a pitcher out of the game if they think that he threw at a batter intentionally.

I don't really care for bat flipping, but I really think that drilling a guy for "showing up the pitcher" is excessive. Get over it! A guy hit a big home run, off course he wants to celebrate.

mattsey9 10-15-2015 12:12 PM
Here's our next generation's reaction to Joey Bats. May this kid never forget this moment.

https://youtu.be/JnhwBEmRt5Y

HOF Auto Rookies 10-15-2015 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1461632)
Didn't a Yankee fan chuck a chair at "his own teams" player.



"A story like thats gotta be true."



Yankee fans and class doesn't really go in the same sentence unless there is "less" behind it.

Didn't a "Yankee" fan do that to Maris in the summer of '61?


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Joshchisox08 10-15-2015 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1461677)
I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.
Am I the only one who thought that slide was not as bad as everyone made it out to be? I mean he stayed in the base paths.......

Laxcat 10-15-2015 01:03 PM
Toronto fans were gross. At least now I have a team to root for. Utley's move was bush league chickensh*t.

packs 10-15-2015 01:21 PM
I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.

Peter_Spaeth 10-15-2015 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1461887)
I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.
Oh that justifies it.

Sean 10-15-2015 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshchisox08 (Post 1461882)
Am I the only one who thought that slide was not as bad as everyone made it out to be? I mean he stayed in the base paths.......
Why doesn't that shortstop share in the blame? Any other middle infielder would have taken the force out and gotten out of the basepath. But Tejada tries to pirouette like a ballerina, when he has absolutely no chance to complete the double play. What was he doing?

Peter_Spaeth 10-15-2015 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1461892)
Why doesn't that shortstop share in the blame? Any other middle infielder would have taken the force out and gotten out of the basepath. But Tejada tries to pirouette like a ballerina, when he has absolutely no chance to complete the double play. What was he doing?
The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?

nolemmings 10-15-2015 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1461894)
The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
Agreed. One of the dumber comments I've ever heard on this board.

Sean 10-15-2015 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1461894)
The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
Middle infielders are taught to avoid the baserunner. But Tejada turns his back and stands there, and you're surprised that he got hit?

baseballart 10-15-2015 02:01 PM
I find it less than humorous that people posting here would suggest that an appropriate remedy is to have the pitcher throw at Bautista ("that's what Gibson, Drysdale, Martinez, etc, would have done").

You might want to recall Ray Chapman, Tony Conigliaro and countless other batters who have been hit with a beanball and either lost their lives or suffered serious injury as a result. A beanball at 95 mph is truly a classless act. And dangerous.

Peter_Spaeth 10-15-2015 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1461903)
Middle infielders are taught to avoid the baserunner. But Tejada turns his back and stands there, and you're surprised that he got hit?
As I see the replay, he had very little chance to get out of the way after making the force.

Peter_Spaeth 10-15-2015 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballart (Post 1461906)
I find it less than humorous that people posting here would suggest that an appropriate remedy is to have the pitcher throw at Bautista ("that's what Gibson, Drysdale, Martinez, etc, would have done").

You might want to recall Ray Chapman, Tony Conigliaro and countless other batters who have been hit with a beanball and either lost their lives or suffered serious injury as a result. A beanball at 95 mph is truly a classless act. And dangerous.
I don't think anyone suggested that. They suggested knocking him down by throwing inside, a time-honored baseball practice.

packs 10-15-2015 02:07 PM
I don't really think Utley's play was "dirty" just the outcome. Everyone tries to break up that play. And this play in particular had more than a few flukey aspects to it. Tejada's turn is bizarre. Utley's head happening to hit him in the leg is bizarre too. I don't think he went in thinking he'd head butt Tejada's leg. I think he went in thinking he'd break up the play, which is what anyone would do.

nolemmings 10-15-2015 02:24 PM
dirty
 
Chase Utley's slide into Ruben Tejada would have taken him 15 feet past second base.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2015/10/...ada-jerk-dirty

Tejada had no chance. He MIGHT have been hurt with a hard, true slide, not the late BS that Utley tried. Pivot or not, he was not getting out of the way and was completely vulnerable and defenseless.
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverh...rge/tejada.jpg

baseballart 10-15-2015 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1461911)
I don't think anyone suggested that. They suggested knocking him down by throwing inside, a time-honored baseball practice.
My memory may be foggy as I saw Gibson and Drysdale pitch when I was 10 and Pedro when I was 40, but I saw pitches from them aimed at the head, and behind the batter's back.

From 1996

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-07-...46_1_bean-ball

Gibson basically says he never aimed at the head, but only at the body, where "nobody gets hurt" [which is BS]. Oh, but he did hit "a few guys in the head" when he was trying to brush them back.

A fine, time honored tradition of baseball indeed.

atx840 10-15-2015 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1461629)
He consistently does that. I hope if he does that against KC (or the Astros) he gets a fastball in the ear.
:rolleyes:

nolemmings 10-15-2015 02:54 PM
more
 
here's an even better depiction of Utley's "slide" into second;
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverh...ge/tejada2.jpg

baseballart 10-15-2015 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by atx840 (Post 1461924)
:rolleyes:
Chris

You're right. The game hasn't been the same since the Massachusetts rules fell out of favor, and they banned soaking.

Nostalgia is ever thus.

timn1 10-15-2015 04:03 PM
uhh...
 
Nothing like that display of can and bottle throwing in Toronto could ever happen in Texas (or Yankee Stadium) if the situation was reversed. Texans and Yankee fans are way too classy for that. Toronto fans are beasts, everybody knows that. Yeah.

The Jays players were not classless. When his arms and bat were above his head Encarnacion was very clearly making a "settle down" gesture to the fans, and then he was accosted by the Ranger pitcher who had just thrown the gopher ball to Bautista. Emotions run high in games like these. I don't blame either team.

Does sound like sour grapes to me.

auggiedoggy 10-15-2015 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 1461765)
Exactly what I was thinking. Glass bottles haven't been allowed in sports stadiums for 40 years.

I was genuinely asking because several posters in this thread were acting like people could have been killed.

I guess maybe if the bottles were full, it could have injured someone.

Honestly though, I wasn't even aware they allowed cans and plastic bottles either. I thought all drinks were served in paper cups at stadiums. That's all I've ever seen at games I've been to.
Last time I was in TO having a beer at the game it was served in a plastic cup.

sago 10-15-2015 04:37 PM
Worst fans are the Dodgers. After Bryan Stow is almost killed after a game with the Giants, now a Mets fan is hospitalized after a mother and a son beat him in the parking lot after Game 1.

Vintageclout 10-15-2015 04:46 PM
Toronto vs Texas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1461836)
Maybe he wouldn't beat up on such average pitchers if that's all the Yankees kept putting out there against him.
Now there's a real intelligent response....

irishdenny 10-15-2015 04:59 PM
Imho...
 
I have "No Dog" in this Mayhem...

However, I watch'd the whole game!
And when after Russell Martin threw the Ball back to the Pitcher and it hit Choo's Bat, the Home Plate Ump "Waved Off the Play!?!?"

At this point Donaldson, Martin and the rest of the Toronto Players "Stood Down!" The play was Dead! imho...

Doesn't matter what the Rule States... The Umps made a Mistake and it should of Stood, No Run Scored!
In this case, "Stopping Players from Playing" Should be added to the Rule!

What a Mess...

marvymelvin 10-15-2015 05:04 PM
Texas fans and jays haters:

Please just make friends with the voices inside of your head, or the off season will be torture. Here's a few lyrics for you to sing on the really bad days: (This might just be the only reference to Eminem on net54):

'Cause I need an interventionist
To intervene between me and this monster
And save me from myself and all this conflict
'Cause the very thing that I love's killing me and I can't conquer it
My OCD's conking me in the head
Keep knocking, nobody's home, I'm sleepwalking
I'm just relaying what the voice in my head's saying
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just friends with the
monster that's under my bed
Get along with the voices inside of my head...


Meanwhile Iv'e got an ALCS to get ready for...

Shoeless Moe 10-15-2015 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461969)
Now there's a real intelligent response....
Actually it is, and since you like stats here are a few for you:

Yankees Team Pitching Stats (out of 30 teams)

2015 - ranked 17th
2014 - 18th
2013 - 18th
2012 - 12th
2011 - 11th
2010 - 15th
2009 - 12th
2008 - 15th
2007 - 17th

seems middle of the road to me - thus "average"

don't believe it, go check it:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.js...ys=&extended=0

Vintageclout 10-15-2015 05:13 PM
Toronto vs Texas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1461972)
Actually it is, and since you like stats here are a few for you:

Yankees Team Pitching Stats (out of 30 teams)

2015 - ranked 17th
2014 - 18th
2013 - 18th
2012 - 12th
2011 - 11th
2010 - 15th
2009 - 12th
2008 - 15th
2007 - 17th

seems middle of the road to me - thus "average"

don't believe it, go check it:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.js...ys=&extended=0
Once again.....who cares about the Yankees mediocre pitching??? No kidding!!! God....get a life.....

Shoeless Moe 10-15-2015 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1461973)
Once again.....who cares about the Yankees mediocre pitching??? No kidding!!! God....get a life.....
You were the genius who said Batista only hit average pitching and didn't hit top pitching.

1. Pretty sure all the players playing today are facing the same pitchers.
2. Don't most hitters hit average pitching better then top pitching?
3. Your an idiot. (for proof see Leon's post)

Joshchisox08 10-15-2015 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1461894)
The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
He was in the basepaths before the "cry baby Buster Posey rule" was enforced same thing applied for catchers.

Utley did what he needed to do. There was no way that DP would probably have been converted. I agree with Sean on this. Utley also never tagged second haha.

KCRfan1 10-15-2015 06:58 PM
Regardless if the play was called correctly or not, there is no reason for fans to resort to throwing beer bottles. There are no excuses, is classless, and undeserving of celebrating going to the Series let alone winning it. " Joey Bats " needs to act like he's hit a home run before. Classless move also, throwing the bat and showing up the opposing pitcher. Bigger and more meaningful homers have been hit before, without drawing attention to themselves like Bats did.

Mountaineer1999 10-15-2015 07:00 PM
This thread went 100 different directions. Each poster going on a diatribe ignoring the post before it. Reminiscent of the old Facebook political posts. We all take a position and thats the end of it. Totally useless.

ullmandds 10-15-2015 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999 (Post 1462004)
This thread went 100 different directions. Each poster going on a diatribe ignoring the post before it. Reminiscent of the old Facebook political posts. We all take a position and thats the end of it. Totally useless.
proud to be a contributor!!!

Shoeless Moe 10-15-2015 07:18 PM
If I'm Mattingly I pinch run Utley late in the game.

Mountaineer1999 10-15-2015 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1462007)
proud to be a contributor!!!
Guess Im just an 'old fuddy duddy'

chaddurbin 10-15-2015 08:55 PM
with how the game is being played, utley did nothing wrong. obviously he didn't mean to break the guy's leg, but being an infielder tejada should've known to protect himself better. that was a very awkward attempt (and plant foot) to turn an impossible double play. with the game situation tejada should've known better, 100% of baserunners would've come in that hard.

handing out the suspension is a stupid and a reactionary move by MLB....just make another "buster posey" rule then if you want to protect infielders, as is utley doesn't deserve any suspension.

HOF Auto Rookies 10-15-2015 09:00 PM
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Seems a little early ;)

And, holy crap no it's not my tat lol.

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Vintageclout 10-15-2015 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1461987)
You were the genius who said Batista only hit average pitching and didn't hit top pitching.

1. Pretty sure all the players playing today are facing the same pitchers.
2. Don't most hitters hit average pitching better then top pitching?
3. Your an idiot. (for proof see Leon's post)
I teach and previously coached professional baseball (as well as having played it at a higher level than you will ever know) and you're calling me an idiot??? Let me tell you something imbecile....what I FORGOT about this game you will NEVER know in three lifetimes.....now go back into your coma.....

Stampsfan 10-15-2015 10:18 PM
Canadian who says... ABBJ (Anyone But Blue Jays)
 
OK, maybe I'm really a bitter Expos fan. As a Canadian, and a Expos fan, I have zero passion for the Blue Jays. But the bandwagon jumping here is enough to make me puke. Where were these people three years ago, or more. Most "fans" couldn't name 5 Blue Jays before 60 days ago.

And yeah, Bautista... he always has too much to say. Remember his rant when Reyes was traded. Ugh.

Shoeless Moe 10-15-2015 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1462057)
I teach and previously coached professional baseball (as well as having played it at a higher level than you will ever know) and you're calling me an idiot??? Let me tell you something imbecile....what I FORGOT about this game you will NEVER know in three lifetimes.....now go back into your coma.....
hell of a resume, surprised the Yankees have not hired you to fix their average pitching with those credentials......now go home and get your shine box!

Vintageclout 10-15-2015 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1462064)
hell of a resume, surprised the Yankees have not hired you to fix their average pitching with those credentials......now go home and get your shine box!
What is your problem??? Are you just a typical Yankee hater that is so bitter because the organization has 27 championship trophies in their showcase? Oh, and to add one more insult to injury since Yankee haters are always bashing AROD on his steroid use... who did Bautista purchase his PEDs from when he "magically" went from hitting 16 home runs to 54 the following season??? You are pathetic...to say the least!

auggiedoggy 10-16-2015 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stampsfan (Post 1462061)
OK, maybe I'm really a bitter Expos fan. As a Canadian, and a Expos fan, I have zero passion for the Blue Jays. But the bandwagon jumping here is enough to make me puke. Where were these people three years ago, or more. Most "fans" couldn't name 5 Blue Jays before 60 days ago.

And yeah, Bautista... he always has too much to say. Remember his rant when Reyes was traded. Ugh.
Fortunately people like you are in the minority in this country. Oh and ABBS (anybody but the Stampeders)!!! ;)

p.s. Jays fan from day #1.

vintagesportscollector 10-16-2015 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1462010)
If I'm Mattingly I pinch run Utley late in the game.
Utley now has the entire off season to practice base running ;). He can start by watching tapes of the Mets' Murphy's heads up brilliant base running last night...although I am sure he got a real good look at it the first time from the dugout. :p

vintagesportscollector 10-16-2015 05:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1461972)
Actually it is, and since you like stats here are a few for you:

Yankees Team Pitching Stats (out of 30 teams)

2015 - ranked 17th
2014 - 18th
2013 - 18th
2012 - 12th
2011 - 11th
2010 - 15th
2009 - 12th
2008 - 15th
2007 - 17th

seems middle of the road to me - thus "average"

don't believe it, go check it:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.js...ys=&extended=0
No doubt or arguing that Yankee's pitching has been average, Paul is correct, but stats can be misleading. For one, NL Teams dominate the top of the rankings (due to the AL DH) - but if you look at the AL stats only it still paints a similar picture. However, the Yankees were top 5 in AL pitching for three of four of those years listed.

More importantly, during that span 1 WS Championship, 2 ALCS appearances, and six playoff appearances. Now that is nothing to brag too much about, but I can think of a few teams that would trade "above average" pitching for those results. The Dodgers have arguably the best two pitchers in baseball, and they are still trying to figure out how to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

Jim F 10-16-2015 06:23 AM
Last couple paragraphs from an NBC Sports article this morning.


Pressure + Triumph = Exuberance. If you find that equation troublesome or the concept behind it difficult to grok, you have challenges far beyond trying to get major league hitters out. If you think that some Kafkaesque, self-contradictory, thought and emotion-policing set of “game-respecting” rituals take precedence over it, you’re missing the very point of sports, entertainment and, maybe, even the concept of joy itself.

If such a set of beliefs is required for you to Respect The Game, find a different game. The rest of us will be over here marveling at one of the most exciting baseball moments we’ve ever experienced.

mattsey9 10-16-2015 08:57 AM
I agree with this. My only objection is that people who use the word grok should get beaned with a fastball...


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Originally Posted by Jim F (Post 1462111)
Last couple paragraphs from an NBC Sports article this morning.


Pressure + Triumph = Exuberance. If you find that equation troublesome or the concept behind it difficult to grok, you have challenges far beyond trying to get major league hitters out. If you think that some Kafkaesque, self-contradictory, thought and emotion-policing set of “game-respecting” rituals take precedence over it, you’re missing the very point of sports, entertainment and, maybe, even the concept of joy itself.

If such a set of beliefs is required for you to Respect The Game, find a different game. The rest of us will be over here marveling at one of the most exciting baseball moments we’ve ever experienced.


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