IIRC Topps had redemptions for all cards which Booked (Listed in Beckett) for $50 or more at the time. Meaning a card which was under $50 then but over now could well be in the packs (1966T Grant Jackson anyone)

Rich

I'm doing a checklist of all of my Glow/Non glow and Bold Glow/Bold Non glow backs. So far I have finished about 1/3 of the 792 cards plus the variations and in my personal experience the Non-glow backs are less common than the glow backs and with some cards far less common.

Here are a few examples

#146 Dan Plasac 34 glow 3 non-glow
#150 Cal Ripken 34 glow 5 non-glow
#253 Gary Templeton 36 glow 5 non-glow


#71 Jim Acker 12 bold glow 1 bold non-glow
#188 Damon Berryhill 13 bold glow 2 bold non-glow
#220 Tim Wallach 11 bold glow 2 bold non-glow

I've opened a few 1991 Topps items lately, A 100 count Jumbo pack (no bolds, glow/no glow mix), some 40 count Jumbo packs (no bolds, glow/no glow mix), some 45 count Rack packs (no bolds, I think mostly no glow), and for years I've had some cello boxes (34/pack) sitting around.

All of my cello packs have had all bold sheet A & B cards in one grouping in the back of the pack. All are Glow. But it does sound like if I want to get what I'll consider my "master" set, I'll have to do some looking for Bold, no-glow backs.

All of the cards in the 34/pk cello that could have statistical errors have them, so I'm assuming these were "early" boxes. In the first box, I got a Whiten hand over, but the Storm Davis had no registration mark. In the second box, the Whiten was hand under, but I got two Storm Davis with a registration mark. Boyd (pink corner in cello, hand over in a rack). Hoiles (black border in all so far), Drabek (none in box 1, black in box 2). I'm sure I got all of these from the same estate auction, probably in the late 1990s or early 2000s... So it seems the consistency of some of these print variations may be random and not found in any specific pack type.

I cut the tape on a factory set, but haven't decided whether to pull these cards out as they have been factory packed (AKA, the ribbed edge look, where when humans sort them, the edges are even). So I guess I'll just dig in there and see where things are... I think someone said the sets are all glow, so I guess I'll see, but I assume "data" on the complete sets is pretty well known.

I'm guessing, opening the rest of my 34/pk Cello, could pay for what I could get for them if I get more Davis or Whiten cards, but I guess I won't hold out hope for Drabek or Hoiles. (but then I'd have to put them all in order)

I have 6 cello boxes gathering dust and going nowhere fast. I guess I'd be better off opening them and seeing what is in them than what they are doing now.

Then maybe I can help with your master set. Because, they are not doing me any good and taking up space.

What/how do you look for this back stuff? These are early deliveries and I have seen some stat errors and other variations in these, I had 10 boxes at one time.

Anyway, if you are interested, I'd be happy to bust cello for you.

Cheers,

Butch

If anyone comes up with a Randy Bush no print code variation, please shoot me a PM. One of the few verified variants I have struck out on. Thx

This is not a priority build for me (as it is a 34 year old set)... and I still have 4-5 more Cello boxes myself. I'm not going all in and I won't get into trying to get the sheet code variations (some cards are printed with one sheet or two sheet letters... and some with no sheet, some being very rare). The Stat Error cards are common enough for me to complete (aside from the Joe Morgan, but I'll try)... and same for the border variations & Boyd logo variations... but I'm not personally interested in the sheet code stuff being pretty various and rare.

I will try to look for some of these sheet variations as I open my boxes, but it's not one I'll try to go out of my way to find. If I do find one or the rare ones, I'll try and make it available here. I do have an extra Storm Davis with Registration mark, if anyone is currently looking for it... and I should have duplicates of most BOLD GLOW backs by the time I'm done.

Not looking forward to the sorting process for these, but that's what we do...

Ok cool, thanks.

Just throwing the offer in case you were interested.

What is the Morgan stat error BTW?

Cheers,

B.T.

The Joe Morgan MGR error is with the stats on the back, there are multiple variations (if you ask some), but the main/rare error is that it lists Wade Boggs HITS as 87, instead of 187. Apparently, it's one of the toughest to come by.

I've also heard of other "variations" where the 1 in 187 is misaligned, either higher or lower than it should be. That's not something I would seek out, but if I happened to notice it, I'd set it aside.

#21

Thank you Al and CMGsBBCs for that info. This set is like the never-ending story. It keeps rewriting itself all the time.

This card alone may be worth busting my cello boxes. They were early in the run purchases and have numerous variations in them......Anything is possible

Cheers.

B. T.

The 91 Topps is a great set if you like to collect variations. There are a lot of easy variations and a few difficult-very difficult variations and if you want to collect all the variations with all the possible backs even some of the easy variation can be difficult with either a glow or no glow back. The most difficult I found was Scott Coolbaugh no pink feather with a glow back. I have over 40 Coolbaugh's in glow backs and all of them are the pink feather variation except one lone example with no pink feather. I found the Keith Comstock Cubs with a no glow back to be another difficult variation but not as difficult as the Coolbaugh.

With help from Chad and Patrick I was able to recently add #22 Storm Davis with Registration Mark and a manager back #659 Oscar Azocar. If anyone has a A*B* back that Patrick needs from his list let me know I'll buy it for him as I owe him one. I'm also assuming that all wrong manager backs will be glow like this one? Or should I be on the lookout a no glue manager back?


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Glad to help. Haven't gotten to busting any more Cello yet... just the occasional loose rack pack.

I think I've decided to put together 3 binders...
-1- 1-792 - Glow Back
-2- 1-792 - No-Glow Back
-3- Bold Backs (Glow and No-Glow back)

I've been leaving space for just about all of the errors/variations (but not the A*B* backs save for #83 Boston)... but now I need to figure out if they exist in both Glow and No-Glow backs. The three Storm Davis with (R) mark I recently pulled (all from one cello box), for example, is a no-glow back... but does it also exist in Glow back? ...are there Hoiles, Drabek, Whiten in both backs? Gets kind of nuts at this point, right?

Now that I'm typing this out, it's making me re-think and maybe just put the variations in the Bold binder... Not worry about them in the Glow/No-Glow sets and just have the most readily available (or preferably corrected version) and go straight through 1-792.

No I don't think it does. I believe the glow and no glow backs were printed seperately. I have four with the full registration mark and five with the partial registration mark and they are all no glow backs.

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I also assume that the Glow and No-Glow backs were printed separately, whether at a different facility or just at a separate time with the "different" ink... but they were absolutely packaged together, whether in packs or factory sets. The one factory set I opened had both Glow & No-Glow backs (all cards from certain sheets were the same). There must have been some batch system with printing, then perhaps they were cut and/or packed at a different time/faclity and packed with the "other" sheets printed at a separate time/facility.

I think moving the variations to my "Bolds" binder will make the most sense... So much tedious fun ahead :( switching these cards around... again...

Yes the glow and no glow were packed together but by sheet codes only If you open a full box the packs may have a mix of glow and no glow but all the sheet code will be the same for instance you may open a pack that has A*, B*, E* and F* with glow backs and C* and D* are no glow all the packs will almost always follow that pattern.

I'm wrapping up another master set down to my last few variations needed and realizing that I have not seen a Randy Bush without D* for sale in ages.

Congratulations to the big winner...
 

I just wanted everyone to know I'll be posting my big pulls on eBay then retiring... I just started to open a new cello box of 1991 Topps and in the first pack, I pulled a double jackpot pulling two vintage gems in one pack! :eek:

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Can't wait to see what the rest of the box brings!

Edit... 10 minutes later... Pack #4 had a Whiten Hand Over (with a very obvious scratch on the front)... Pack #6 had a Storm Davis WITH ®... so, a nice top row of packs.
Two previous cello boxes I opened, First had a Hand Over Whiten, but Davis with no ®... Second had 3 Storm Davis WITH ®, but Whiten was hand under.
Saving the rest for later (but not too much later with these two possibilities in the last 18 packs)

It's funny how something random can be streaky. I have opened quite a few 91 Topps boxes. I had a couple of wrong back player manager cards from packs that I had opened back in 91. A couple of years ago I decided to buy some 91 boxes and in some of the first few boxes I pulled some wrong back player/manager cards out of boxes from different sources but I haven't pulled any since. I went a long time before pulling a Trebelhorn A* code until I ended up pulling 3 from two differnt boxes pretty close together and I haven't pulled any of those since then. I also opened quite a few boxes before pulling a "vintage" card until I pulled two from back to back boxes from two different sources. One was a 1977 Craig Swan that was on the top with the gum and had the instant win card. The other was a 1972 Billy Conigliaro that was in the middle with no instant win game card.

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These Cello Boxes, I did get all at the same time, and probably sold 4-5 before... (so those people probably got a good surprise, if they know what they're looking for) ...then have just let them sit for years. I hadn't opened one myself until this year, but KNOWING that I've gotten these two variations in ALL 3 BOXES, I'll probably be opening the rest... As, any two "Hand Over" Whiten or Storm Davis w/®, would pay for what I get for a box...

Unfortunately, I don't seem to have boxes with either of the white borders, nor the Boyd black flag tip, nor Joe Morgan 87... which, along with the A*B* backs seem to be some of the toughest.

But did they come from the same case? If they did it's odd that 1 box had both variations, 1 box had only the Whiten and another box only had the Davis because both of them are from the E* sheet.

I just know I got them all at one local auction in Western PA in the late 1990s or early 2000's... so I can't say for sure if they were from the same case, as I didn't buy anything sealed... so someone else could have moved things around before... I don't think the individual boxes have any sort of markings to tell if they were from the same case or even factory... but they are the 24 packs per box, 34 cards per pack (no gum), 99c cello.