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Peter_Spaeth 02-24-2015 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1384299)
True I suppose...but I can't think of any other high profile cards such as this magie...that are holdered...that appear not right...but obviously I don't see every card!!!

Seriously??

ullmandds 02-24-2015 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1384306)
Seriously??

I guess my post was vague...there are plenty of holdered cards that do not look right! I was referring to radical doctoring like changing type like this magie...not trim jobs, etc.

Cliff Bowman 02-24-2015 08:11 PM

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No one has mentioned that the original first card graded out at Ex 5, and then after it was doctored it graded out at Good 2. Is this not odd, or am I missing something?

calvindog 02-24-2015 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1384260)
Your language suggested there had been a reasonable number of total prosecutions.

"Surely there have been more prosecutions based on altered hobby material than shill bidding, not even close."

"Not even close" suggests to me a decent sample size.

But in any event, it is clear that there are no prosecutions for altered cards unless one counts Mastro, which is all I had asked. And I am guessing there aren't going to be any in the future.

So basically, the conspiracy of silence among auction houses dealers major collectors (and maybe even grading services, nothing would surprise me) will continue undeterred, as will rampant card doctoring. So it goes.

I think there have been a pretty decent amount of fake game used jersey cases and investigations underway. I also think there may be an altered card case in the works.

vintagetoppsguy 02-24-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 1384311)
No one has mentioned that the original first card graded out at Ex 5, and then after it was doctored it graded out at Good 2. Is this not odd, or am I missing something?

Not odd at all. Typical PSA inconsistency.

Peter_Spaeth 02-24-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1384320)
I think there have been a pretty decent amount of fake game used jersey cases and investigations underway. I also think there may be an altered card case in the works.

May I see the day. That would be fantastic.

Rollingstone206 02-24-2015 09:38 PM

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drcy 02-24-2015 10:22 PM

To answer earlier question, there are ways to identify when solvent has been used to remove ink. For example, the Gone With the Stain guy said his autograph removal work is seen under black light.

darwinbulldog 02-25-2015 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SMPEP (Post 1384208)
But if you are honest with yourself, your answer will be you don't like creases because the industry has trained you your whole life to not like creases/corner wear because you won't get your profit whenever you choose to sell. You didn't care about creases when you were a kid.

You wouldn't say that if you had seen how much I cried when my friend's little sister folder up my '87 Fleer Wally Joyner.

But that was months ago of course.

glynparson 02-25-2015 09:08 AM

I was never a fan of creases on cards
 
I always liked nicer condition cards, don't need to be mint but not beaters either.

steve B 02-25-2015 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollingstone206 (Post 1384291)
This question is open to anyone.

I answered in my long post, so maybe it got lost.

Short answer - Yes, but if it's done well it can't be detected cheaply.

Slightly longer - Nearly all solvents will leave traces behind, and those traces are detectable. And very few will remove all traces of the ink or substance removed. I don't own the required equipment, and I don't believe any of the TPGs do either. Plus they won't take the time to do the test.

Steve Birmingham

Runscott 02-25-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1384296)
Now we are making assumptions of the doctor's income??? Are we aware of any other cards this doctor doctored?????

All I know is the Magie is not very good...granted it got past PSA but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

The M and the A are canted in weird ways...unlike any t206 I've ever seen.

My concern is more with how the surface of the card looked under magnification (200x as David suggested) - were there obvious differences in the lettering ink, surface gloss, etc., as compared to a 'normal' T206? If not, then we have an even more serious issue - getting the slant of the letters better is just a small step away.

I couldn't tell enough from the scans or from the detail pics in HOS, but I suspect that 200x magnification would have shown obvious problems. If you have ever looked at the surface of a T206 under such magnification, you'll probably agree that it would be really difficult to hide alteration. I would think impossible, but I would love to get a look at one of these Magee's to confirm.

Peter_Spaeth 06-14-2015 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasLeaguer (Post 1384264)
So who is Gerry Schwartz? Why has nobody jumped in to vouch for him? I mean, if he did it, and everyone including law enforcement is going to turn a blind eye to it, the least we can do is leave a flaming bag of dog poo on his doorstep or something. Has he denied doing it at least?

Bringing this disturbing thread back to see if anyone knows what became of this.

For reference, the original Nash article.
http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=27012


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