Steve, yes, the Richard in question here is in Philladelphia, and the TimeLord on Blowout is listed in Tennessee. This is true. But the TimeLord on Blowout collects Eagles football cards, and their Photobucket user name also references an affiliation with Philadelphia. Now, maybe it is two different people, and that's why I am going to edit my posts from last night. But it would be a heck of a coincidence if two people posting on popular sports card forums with the same user name, both having an association with Philadelphia, turned out to be different people. When I Google the phrase "Time Lord", or "TimeLord", I see no association with the city whatsoever. If that were the case, it would make the user name and Philly connection more of a coincidence. What I do see, instead, is a connection to Doctor Who. So, do we now have two different people who are both sports card collectors, with a connection to Philadelphia, AND Doctor Who fans?

As far as pointing out that this board's TimeLord collects vintage baseball, while the one on Blowout pursues modern football cards as evidence that they are different people, well, that's really a non sequitur leap. When I came back to the hobby, I first joined Sports Card Forum, collecting modern cards with sticker/on card autos, and pieces of game used memorabilia, much like the ones the collector on Blowout deals in. I then discovered I loved vintage and pre-war baseball cards when I signed up here. It is quite possible to collect both the new and the old equally, and pursue cards for both collections with equal zeal. Perhaps the guy on Blowout sells non Eagles cards to fund his pre-war and vintage baseball cards here? It's possible, and I feel confident in saying that it is not rare to collect both modern and very old cards.

I'm not trying to say that you're right or wrong, only that you can't really make that kind of assumption. We know the person in question on Net 54 has been very evasive in communication with both Ian and Leon, and has not responded to correspondence sent directly to him by the bank. Based on the recent behavior by our forum's Time Lord, it is not hard to believe that they could be purposely avoiding mention of their membership here on Blowout so they don't get wind of what he's been doing here.

I held out hope that there was a simple explaination for the cashing of Ian's check, and in a way, I still do. I will hold no ill will for TimeLord on our forum, so long as he remedies the situation immediately, gives Ian back his money, and provides an explanation for what happened. But the longer this goes on, the more I become convinced that is not going to happen, and thusly, my involvement switches from that of a mere spectator to somebody actively trying to help resolve this situation. I consider Ian a friend, and I count myself as one of many on the forum who consider him to be both fair and honest. Plus, I don't like seeing anybody taken advantage of, and I hate thieves more than almost anybody. My training in detecting fraud, and theft, set off immediate red flags the first time I read what was going on, and thus far, I've not seen anything at all that would lead me to question my suspicions.


Aaron, you're right. I'll edit out my posts, because there does exist the possibility that this is not the same person, and I wouldn't want to needlessly associate the other person with the shenanigans going on here if that is indeed the case. I'm frustrated for Ian, but I don't want to draw somebody into this if they have no involvement at all.

Should the TimeLord on Blowout see this, and they are not at all involved, please accept my apology. While I will retain the images if they are needed, I won't display them publicly.

Well something is wrong if he's not willing to work with Ian and the bank to make it right.

I would think he would be trying his best to remedy the situation so that another person is not out a large sum of money and would be trying to help in any way possible which does not appear to be the case.

Curious And your basing your opinion upon?_______ You fill in the blank.

I think timelord is a pretty common dr. Who reference so it's perfectly possible for it to be a common user name.

+1 To me, this is it.

Ian,
just a thought if you now Google his name that you posted (Without changing the letters in some way) His profile comes up but also this post with all that is going on, on Net 54 Before there is and outcome I.E. Legal you might want to re think that in some way..

Yes, and that's why I've edited my posts. It may be mere coincidence. Absolutely I agree with that assertion. But the more things that two posters on different forums share in common, the less likely they are different people.

So far, we have established three things in common: the user name likely references they are a fan of Doctor Who. We know both users like sports cards (though as of yet, from different eras). That alone would be a weak connection.

But when you add a third element, the Philadelphia connection, now you start questioning if the user name is a coincidence, or they are the same person. There are a lot of cities in America, and for two people to live in, or have an affinity for the city of Philadelphia, collect sports cards, and be Doctor Who fans...at that point, you have a slightly stronger argument. I would still like to connect a few more dots, obviously, but it's enough to at least warrant digging deeper.

I did read...many people have said that the seller has been legit...no other problems identified by any other member....one isolated incident..........I am just making an opinion......people to go into bad health or life happens..its not always intentional fraud......I don't know what happened for sure..i just giving an opinion of another option....his name has only been posted for less than a day.....maybe we will hear from him....

Periods man, periods.

I see about 50 periods.;)

So you read that Ian needed timelord to fill out a bank form. And that timelord told Ian that he wasn't going to comply with the request. And then quit responding to him at all. And you think its more likely that timelord got sick than is just ignoring Ian? Doesn't seem like a very logical thought process. Which is why I assumed you didn't read all of the information.

Thank you, Luke.

This, from one of Ian's earlier posts, for me, anyway, completely eliminates the possibility that this is just a case of TimeLord "getting sick" and ducking out for a while.

good points...never shown the emails ..but taken to be true I agree it looks really really bad for him. I have just seen it happen before that after someone owed money or didn't do what was promised getting scolded and it turned out that person died so the person doing the scolding felt pretty bad so nothing is ever 100%.....

Yeah, I'll give him a pass on this one if he's dead...

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

There's a perfectly reasonable answer as to why he did this which Mr. Boynton will share with you shortly...

Are you talking about the Mayo Robinson? I see that was edited 2-2-14

Because he's dead.

Wait...

Tom C

Yes, the thread I locked right after he did it.

Whats the use of a time stamp when the guy is a freak'n timelord...

+1...Definitely incriminating.

Jeff

It's actually the N300 Delahanty which sold around the same time as the Robinson. Thanks for locking down the thread Leon.

Bill, and others, thanks for doing some legwork. I'd done a bit of my own but am not going to publicly post any of that here (yet). Going forward feel free to email anything you find you think may help, but that may be too sensitive to post here, directly to itjclarke@yahoo.com.

Al, I will see if I can jumble letters a bit.

I got my mayo's confused. I like mustard anyway >:).....

My pleasure Ian. It is our responsibility and in our best interests to help each other police our hobby. Thank you for letting us know about this.

If he's in the banking business, I think that speaks volumes.

Jesse James was in the Banking Business too.!

along with lots of guys on the show American greed

OK I'm lost. Where is there a 2-2-15 edit? I only see a 2-2-14 edit.

I also only saw the 2-2-14 edit on both cards mentioned

That is still 6 months after the initial post(s). Very strange at best...

Agree, especially the kind of edit made.

Not really, and it's only 2+ months from when he said he didn't receive the check and instead received paypal-- the OP said the paypal and card were both received in November '13. I've been guilty of forgetting to update the B/S/T thread for awhile after I've sold a card. I guess I fail to see the incriminating nature of the edit at all.

My bad...I still think it's 2014 for some reason...anyway he edited that post well after the transaction was completed to say "Paypal gift accepted"...why would do this? And who does this?

People might have asked if he accepted Paypal before the buyer actually sent payment. I never consider a transaction as being complete before being paid, but I will put the card/item on hold and always take first satisfying offer.

To tell the truth I do it alot Dan. I go back sometimes 4,5,6 months erase most of the text and pictures. I do it most of the time just so I dont get PMs asking if these items are still for sale.etc. Most of the time I erase everything and put SOLD in the listing. I dont know its just something I do so I dont see it to be that strange. But to change to paypal gift accepted only maybe a bit out of line.

Do you have a list of all his prior edits, if any? Most people here, although I'm not entirely certain why, feel the need to remove the price once the item is sold, and this clearly was done here. Other than that, do we know whether the manner of payment that seller found satisfactory was edited in after the fact, i.e., do we know the exact portion of the message that had been edited?

Finally, even if that language was added with the price removal, could that not just be an internal note for seller’s accounting purposes as to how he got paid?

Sorry to be a little off topic. I can understand adding SOLD to the listing but not deleting entire posts, changing pictures after item has sold, or removing the price after item has sold. I know several sellers do this just don't understand why.

All, I'll say I find this one of the least compelling bits of information presented so far (as well as other things learned off line). I didn't refer to this in my original post because it was well down the pecking order, but had PMd with Leon separately about it since I thought it odd. Eliminate this completely from the discussion and there's still a lot of other "stuff".

I'll leave it at that, and won't make any more assertions here. I personally hope this thread sort of dies down, as I think it's mostly served its purpose for now. Thanks for all good ideas and opinions received thus far, and I continue to welcome any ideas/suggestions others may have, however ask you use my email- itjclarke@yahoo.com since my PM box is just about full.

As said before, after all is said and done, I'll bullet the outcome and any key lessons learned about this or similar situations.

I think sellers remove the price because after its sold serves both the buyer and seller.

for the buyer..if I was going to sell it again ..it may never get more than what i paid for it on net 54 if trying to sell on net54..some buyers just refuse to pay more more than what they see a card sold for on the same site....for the seller...if the card sells at auctions for less money, it wont look good for potential sales pitch on other cards if people can see that you have tried to sell cards in the past for more than they sell for on ebay...

Dude, forget all of that crap. He knows someone cashed a check written to him, said it wasn't him, and won't help.

And Todd had 14 follow-up questions too....

Exactly! Like I said before, its just simple common sense that if you had nothing to do with what happened you would be helping this person out as much as possible to help make it right.

Wow, why the hostility? I just questioned what was supposed to be some sort of smoking gun that turns out not to be so. Forgive me for having doused my torch and blunted my pitchfork.

And you can bet, Peter, that I would have far more than 14 questions :) Oh well, back to the lynching at hand.

It wasn't supposed to come out hostile, sorry about that. But I think sometimes we get sidetracked from some of the most important issues.

Agreed. Like not pre-judging or jumping to conclusions, and acknowledging that everyone should be entitled to a defense, even in absentia. I am confident the truth will be made known to the appropriate parties in time, and see little gained by fanning the flames now.

The guy's not helping. That should be fairly incriminating. I would think that the bank should be able to show which account that check was deposited into, and then if that account belongs to Timelord, then I don't know how Timelord can explain it. If the check went into some other account unrelated to Timelord or to cash, then there is something more of a possibility the check was stolen and the signature forged.

positive development
 

Well, I said I wouldn't give a play by play going forward, but there has just been a positive development. My bank's fraud claims people called this afternoon and said they had just received the completed and signed affidavit for check fraud form. I do not have any more details, nor will I share more about their investigation until it's done, but I felt it fair to Richard and the board to let you all know.

I still have not heard a word from Richard in 3.5 weeks, but I'll take this as a positive 1st step.. though I expect there will need to be several more steps ahead.

Awesome :)

[QUOTE=itjclarke;1381670]Well, I said I wouldn't give a play by play going forward, but there has just been a positive development. My bank's fraud claims people called this afternoon and said they had just received the completed and signed affidavit for check fraud form. I do not have any more details, nor will I share more about their investigation until it's done, but I felt it fair to Richard and the board to let you all know.

I still have not heard a word from Richard in 3.5 weeks, but I'll take this as a positive 1st step.. though I expect there will need to be several more steps ahead.[/QUOTE

a good start.....

lesson learned... don't deal with anyone that has more than one "final price reduction".

I guess it's an appropriate time to bump this thread, due in part to some recent BST postings that I'd noticed (and had pointed out to me by a few board members), as well as the fact I'm now closer to full resolution.

About 4-5 weeks ago, the full amount of money I'd lost simply re-appeared in my account. It reappeared as quickly and inexplicably as it had disappeared, and I didn't notice until a few days later. I then received a brief form letter from Wells Fargo simply stating money had been deposited, making reference to a case number, but offering no specific case details. I have a call into them, have not heard back, and have been otherwise pretty swamped work/life wise so haven't pursued it further. I presume they found enough to determine there was fraud/foul play involved and were able to get the depositing bank to pay them. That part is good, but the lingering questions still bug me.

I still have yet to hear a peep from the BST seller (Timelord) since well prior to this thread's origin. I guess now, as he is selling again, is another opportunity for him to speak up here, or reach out to me directly. Regardless, once things slow down a bit for me (prob in Fall), and I get caught up elsewhere, I'll continue pursuing the bank's "investigators" for more information. If/when I get any info that seems relevant to board dealings, I'll post it here.

Thanks again to all the guys who offered advice and feedback when I was working through this. This board is awesome. If anyone wants to connect this go around, feel free to email directly-- itjclarke@yahoo.com since my PM box is pretty full.

Hopefully you hear back from the bank but I'm glad you got a refund so you're at least not out any money at this point. Best of luck to you, Ian!