Johnny, that full-size AB Konetchy is amazing!!

nothing but love
 

for American Beauties, T206, old cardboard , and most of all GREAT collectors and friends like I have met on this board!

many of my American beauties were graciously given to me by true collectors from this board....GOD BLESS YOU GUYS!;) you know who you are:)...

you collectors are the "true American beauties;)"

Beig and your wife....congrats on a great collection, I hope to see more of them!! thanks for continuing to share....and ENJOY!

btw.....we would love to have you and your wife continue to enjoy net54....you guys will love it here!

my true passion is T206 printer's scrap, or the "Wagner":)

I am johnny, and I am a T206 NUT:o:)

Please tell us how many 460 and 350 frame and no frames! we love to know

Out of 105 American Beauty backed T206s there are

54 - 350 Frame

28 - 350 No Frame

23 - 460

What is the significance of this? Different years in the set?

This is the worst card in the whole collection fortunately it is the ONLY one like this;

Attachment 176251

As you can plainly see the photography is "warts and all"

:)

Trae....
 

you are so sharp! thanks! I think it's a "tweener" ab scrap.....was wondering who would notice first....

btw...the konetchy is TOUGH! hint...hint....and the conroy, and some other commons....

I'm talking tuf!:eek:......there is a print connection between DRUM and ab 350 no frame.....Tim and Jim maybe able to elaborate....Tim is still cracking the code....these cards have flown under the radar:D

konetchy-:confused:oversize, hand cut, has a wet stack on front....very cool and weird/ odd.....a true beauty and "hole" filler....:D

almost have the set complete, just magee and wajo to go!:)

Beig.....
 

THANKS FOR THE BREAKDOWN!

we are researchers.....that % breakdown seems to reflect their "rarity"

t206resource lists the rarity in back scarcity....

ab 460 rarest! #13

ab 350 rarer #15

ab 350 frame rare #21

from the back rarity from 1-39 approximately

1909-1911 t206 were printed.....ab 460's printed in 1911( last print group).....1910 ab 350 frame and no frame printed second print group 350 subjects......

ab 350 nf 37 possible cards

ab 350 frame - 190 possible

ab 460 nf - 75 possible


all taken info from the resource.....

as far as I know, no one has completed any of them yet:confused::confused:

Ted z is almost complete on ab 460

I'm 2 cards short on ab 350 nf...


ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPT THESE SETS???:confused:

Beig....
 

btw....the Sheckard is SEXY:)

I love the "beaters" as you can see.....I just love the history and examples....

it's a true love of cardboard, or a problem for me:o:D

we learn from each other here....kinda like a "cardboard family" here:)

we also try to protect each other from scams and losers:D

Beig.....
 

this Sheckard scan is for you! one of the more "common" ab 460 , but has a very "rare" green print/crop mark on the back(the green line in the middle)...

these "small" things on a card can some times bring a big "premium":);)

In the opinion of the group how would this card be rated, no crop mark but the rarest of the AB backs?


Attachment 176265

Are those "rarer" than 350 no frame?

Pete....
 

Great question! some ab 350 no frame are rarer that 460 no frame and vice a versa.....

some almost could say they are very close in rarirty:).....some ab 350 nf are just plain TOUGH!:eek:

btw....Beig.....sheckard ab 460 raw you have is sweet!!! it is a more"common" ab 460, but a goodie still:D....$350.00 card or better you have there:D

if you can...
 

squeeze it in a psa or sgc ex maybe 500 +....

:)

btw....
 

where's Ted:confused:

Ted....
 

is an American beauty 460 obsessor;)....

paging mr z:confused:

One thing that can be hard to spot in a scan or a photo is surface wrinkles or very minor creases. The photos you present are good quality, but it would've been easier to spot corner and edge wear if the backgrounds were black instead of white.

Assuming the Sheckard card you posted has no wrinkles or minor paper loss, it looks like an easy EX 5 card, possibly 5.5. If it had a minor wrinkle, it would possibly get knocked down to a 3 or 4. Very nice card!

I'd also estimate the Cobb would sell in the $6K range, depending on the final grade and auction house.

Nobody else has commented on the screwdown holders you're using, but if the cards move around freely within the holders you might want to look into a better method of storing them. Perhaps someone else could suggest something -- a better way to store raw T206s.

Yes Bieg, triplefolders are found only with the two folds between the end and center panels. But over time the folds will weaken and this will be apparent to the eye. That Cobb is gorgeous. Grading is tricky and is tough enough to do in person, but nearly impossible from a scan. It looks NRBMT or better (7 or 8), but the pros might feel otherwise.

I understand your wife's choice not to grade them, and that is fine. But you do not have to worry about letting the cards out of your sight. If you use any of the top companies, they won't steal them or switch them out. They will do it right. But you are correct any auction company will do it for you.

To answer a different questions, T206 was issued in series, and the 350's appeared before the 460's. I am not sure why there are both frame and no frame American Beauties, but I'm sure somebody here knows more than I do.

Wonderful to hear from the original owners of this collection. I won't be of much help as I am a noob where T cards are concerned.

I am so glad to hear that your cards will remain as they were intended to be...raw. Some call graded cards "entombed" and there is a reason for that. There is absolutely something special to the ability to hold the actual card in your hand (or at least being able to take it from its plastic holder if you ever wanted to....definitely good to keep them safe in those at least).

There are many here with decades of knowledge at your disposal.

I'm pretty much just sitting here at work drooling all over the keyboard. At the scans. Not your wife. Although...

:eek:

Tom C

Just Experimenting With The Gallery
 

Trying to get a handle on what size files can be uploaded to the gallery and how they look.
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=17211

Bieg, thank you for sharing information with us on the site, you and your wife truly have an amazing collection. It's refreshing to hear your wife enjoys them and wants to keep them. Many times the heirs have no interest and sell immediately. When the time comes to sell, an auction house will most likely recommend you have them graded, in my opinion that is the best way to maximize your value. As was pointed out earlier, it's difficult to accurately determine grade from scans, so many collectors look for some additional assurance from grading companies when they are looking to bid on cards.

When I saw the show I could not believe how vibrant the colors were and of course the condition is amazing. Keep posting pictures, we love 'em.

Amen. Thanks so much Bieg for sharing. It is a truly amazing collection!


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An interesting way to estimate the sales price would be to take the current VCP for common backs and multiply it by the T206 Back Multiplier, as published by Scot A. Reader in 2012.

Assuming this card earns a grade of PSA 4:
PSA 4 VCP = $1963
T206 Back multiplier for American Beauty 350 with Frame = 4.4
$1963 * 4.4 = $8637.20

At this grade, I would estimate it would sell in the range of $6000 - $8000.

Excellent, thank you. Where could I find the T 206 multiplier?

The T206 multiplier is somewhat dated...and doesn't reflect supply and demand which is the #1 driving factor for pricing.

For sure...definitely no set type of multiplier for the T206 backs. Supply and Demand drives the prices and we know it changes quite a bit. Best indicator for the prices are past sales on eBay and auction houses. There is also a lot that goes into front back combos...do research and get to know the rarity and such...this also drives the price.

Hhmm, the multipliers ARE based on sales data. But, they have a point, supply and demand probably changes too quickly and drastically to easily quantify. If you're a numbers person, it's still interesting reading. Here's the link:

http://t206resource.com/Article-T206...ltipliers.html

It's my understanding that Scot's multiplier is for common cards, I believe HOFers would be somewhat less than that.

ETA: jcc6252, I now see that you already took this into account above, my bad.

I love the T202s the best.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=17214

Watch out Bieg, sounds like the collecting bug might be settling in. Next thing you know, you'll be posting in the B/S/T threads looking to complete your wife's sets.

Not going to happen, just trying to get a handle on what she has already.

I was just kidding around. It's a slippery slope, though.

With lots of pitfalls all the way. You guys have been a great help with figuring this out. Thanks to all.

News coming!
 

Watch this space!

the day before there was a episode. On at 8pm EST. It mentioned the 1887 or so?? Cincy Red Stockings and a letter I think. I didn't get the chance to watch the end of the show to see it. Guess I should had recorded it. I remember it being in New York and Season 19.
So, its possible it was a old show or re-run.

I think you are talking about this

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/se...ve--201407W05/

Look Familiar?
 

You were right on the money.

Here it is;

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=51886

Good timing!
 

I see your wife decided it was time to sell! I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the outcome and have picked a very respected auction house. Best of luck with the sale!

Rare back T206s are still doing well especially when coupled with Cobby. Great looking card.

110 year old cardboard. Unbelievable. Sat in a Cigar Box for over 100 years.

I think she got a good price for the Cobb
 

So excited.

Got the collection of 31 T205 AB cards. 5 awesome looking Cubbies...Kroh and 4 upgrades. Can’t wait to get them for my T205 Cubs collection.

I am glad someone from this forum got some of her collection!