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Cliff Bowman 05-24-2022 05:31 PM

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Was plowing thru a bunch of junk wax and found this guy. Missing “Twins” and “Topps”.

Fantastic find. Harper was on the right edge of the 1990 Topps B sheet of the 6th row, the Brantley above him and the Cochrane to his left should have also been affected to some degree.

West 05-24-2022 07:04 PM

Sweet error!

richtree 06-22-2022 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2227884)
Fantastic find. Harper was on the right edge of the 1990 Topps B sheet of the 6th row, the Brantley above him and the Cochrane to his left should have also been affected to some degree.

Interested if u wanna move this one...

Rt

4reals 06-27-2022 12:28 PM

1982 Topps Stolen Base Leaders #164, ink bleed on back

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saucywombat 07-01-2022 11:26 AM

1996 Finest Series 2 Gold Refractor Variations
 
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I have discovered a "gold" streak variation for 4 different gold refractors from Series 2 of 1996 Finest.

Gold bar goes top to bottom in the same spot and with same width on all 4 cards.

Bigdaddy 07-08-2022 10:21 PM

You guys are nuts. I'm serious.

Do your wife/girlfriends know about this sickness?

;)

wpeters 09-06-2022 06:59 AM

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I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?

ALR-bishop 09-06-2022 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy (Post 2240787)
You guys are nuts. I'm serious.

Do your wife/girlfriends know about this sickness?

;)

Tom— fortunately it has not gone airborne and so far seems not to be transferred by contact

mrmopar 09-09-2022 09:18 PM

Pretty sure I have seen that in the past as well. I thought the cards looked like they has oil spilled on them, if I recall my thoughts at the time.

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Originally Posted by wpeters (Post 2260939)
I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?


G1911 09-10-2022 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy (Post 2240787)
You guys are nuts. I'm serious.

Do your wife/girlfriends know about this sickness?

;)

Variation hunting is a don’t ask, don’t tell thing. Girlfriends know I’m a dork but I don’t tell them about it. If I did tell them, I probably wouldn’t ever have a girlfriend :D

philliesfan 09-30-2022 03:15 PM

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Not sure if this was posted before but I just found this James Silas name in Black and name in Purple....spelled JAMS not James at my friends card shop.
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Republicaninmass 09-30-2022 03:30 PM

Lobster bib!

Republicaninmass 09-30-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 1980504)
This is one of my favorite types of print flaw error cards, and what is cool about this one is the final black ink run wasn't affected by whatever blocked the rest of the printing process, it adhered with no problem.

Lobster bib variation

philliesfan 11-05-2022 11:12 AM

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Don't know if this would qualify in terms as a variation but check out my Nolan Ryan miscut.
Bob
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bnorth 11-05-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by philliesfan (Post 2280723)
Don't know if this would qualify in terms as a variation but check out my Nolan Ryan miscut.
Bob
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Nice card for many reasons, I like oddball cards like that.:)

jacksoncoupage 11-05-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by philliesfan (Post 2280723)
Don't know if this would qualify in terms as a variation but check out my Nolan Ryan miscut.
Bob
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As stated above, very nice card and for several reasons!

ALR-bishop 11-05-2022 03:05 PM

I bet that it being a Nolan Ryan card is one of the reasons :)

Maybe that weird stuff on the back might be another ?

Cool card

philliesfan 11-05-2022 04:06 PM

Thanks. For the most part centered on the front and way off on the reverse makes it interesting. Got it in a pack in 1985. No others in the box though.

jacksoncoupage 11-05-2022 10:28 PM

I have never seen an individually dated sheet like that. Maybe it is due to never seeing that piece of the sheet's edge and they all come that way but it certainly sticks out as special to me!

philliesfan 11-07-2022 10:09 AM

Gee. With several people thinking highly of the Ryan card, maybe I should list it on auction..........maybe it could pay for my son's next semester at Temple University. haha I wish!
Bob

ALR-bishop 11-07-2022 11:53 AM

Maybe University of Phoenix 😊

bnorth 11-07-2022 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by philliesfan (Post 2281350)
Gee. With several people thinking highly of the Ryan card, maybe I should list it on auction..........maybe it could pay for my son's next semester at Temple University. haha I wish!
Bob

I doubt it would do that but I would be a bidder and it has nothing to do with being a Nolan Ryan card.:)

G1911 11-11-2022 10:56 PM

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I don't know 1976-mid 80's well, have recently picked up some of the sets to extend my Topps run. Apologies if I've noticed something in my stacks that isn't actually new.

1981 #76 Mario Mendoza (the legend himself!) comes with or without a gap in the bottom of the black frame. Gap seems to be tougher

G1911 11-11-2022 10:59 PM

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Card #9 Pete LaCock comes with or without the "s" in "Royals" in the write-up below his stats cut off, or printed correctly. Both appear to be common and easy.

G1911 11-11-2022 11:03 PM

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#58 Joel Youngblood with black smearing over his name. This isn't a random ink smear, a look at COMC suggests a fairly high percentage of Youngblood's cards have this exact smear pattern defect and it is commonly recurring.

G1911 11-11-2022 11:30 PM

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Like Youngblood, Mike Phillips #113 has frequent recurring black smearing, although the pattern of it changes heavily. Seems like half or so of Phillips cards have some version of it.

G1911 11-12-2022 12:25 AM

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243 Sal Butera, with light green slash in his cheek. This version doesn't appear to be difficult.

G1911 11-12-2022 12:14 PM

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311 Freddie Patek, 5'4 wonder, with yellow spotting by Topps logo, name, and lower right of the image. Appears to be tough.

G1911 11-12-2022 12:21 PM

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333 Lee Lacy, with red all over the lower half of his jersey. Most copies do not have any red here at all.

G1911 11-12-2022 12:41 PM

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412 Britt Burns, with pink spotting over the sky. The exact pattern of the pink varies card by card, but is recurring. Most copies don't have the stray pink at all.

ALR-bishop 11-12-2022 01:15 PM

Lacy and a bunch of other 81s have a no top border version. I have 27 of them. I think Cliff may have more than that They are recurring but scarce

G1911 11-12-2022 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2283034)
Lacy and a bunch of other 81s have a no top border version. I have 27 of them. I think Cliff may have more than that They are recurring but scarce

Thank you Al, good to know. I don’t know anything about this set, I collected junk wax as a kid because it was so cheap, and I have always been into vintage, but 1976-1984 has been a blank spot. I bought 1980-1984 sets the last three months and am just starting to go through them, pulling any print defects I find that I can find as recurring.

Apologies if any of these recurring defects are already known to you gentlemen who know these sets better.

Are the two back stocks known? There is clearly a light and dark grey stock here. There is more of the dark grey in this particular set I bought for $50.

So far John Pacella with his hat falling off is the coolest card, no offense to the stud rookies.

G1911 11-12-2022 03:05 PM

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Back to cataloguing my set, I've found 437 Mike Heath with this defect running through the blue border and up to above his helmet. I see another on COMC, but it seems most copies of the card do not have this defect

G1911 11-12-2022 03:11 PM

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443 Jim Beattie, with the thin white frame between the yellow and the image being yellow, not white, at bottom above his name. Note that the yellow ink layer is not misaligned, causing it to go higher than normal, there is more yellow than there should be. Most copies have this area white, correctly.

G1911 11-12-2022 03:19 PM

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452 Renie Martin. The team logo cap has an orange strip between the bill and the main body of the cap (I don't know if there is a word for that part of the cap...) and another one on the end of the bill. Note that this puts orange where it would not be even if the ink layers were misaligned. A check of COMC shows this is recurring.

What a happy guy!

G1911 11-12-2022 03:34 PM

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476 Jerry Koosman, with the brim of the cap logo having a red layer following it's out edge. No red should be there at all, I think. Recurring confirmed.

G1911 11-12-2022 05:55 PM

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Just like Beattie, Gary Thomasson comes this way or correct as well.

G1911 11-12-2022 05:56 PM

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And Lee Mazzilli appears to come more often than not with black smearing in the name box. Took me a second to find a card that doesn't have it.

G1911 11-12-2022 06:05 PM

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599 Kinney can come with a white line running through the logo cap and through the name box.

G1911 11-12-2022 06:08 PM

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The majority of 600 Bench's come with some kind of black smearing in the name box. Seems like a number of cards had recurring problems here

G1911 11-12-2022 06:15 PM

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601 Don Aase comes with this yellowish/greenish mark below the team name in the logo cap. Doesn't seem to be too hard.

Pat R 11-12-2022 08:55 PM

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A couple of weeks ago on a rainy day I dug out a box of 90 Topps to look for some variations I found a few but nothing great just normal print defects.

Frank Robinson with a blotch over the trademark
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Phil Stephenson with a yellow "slash" in the corner that looks like it could have carried over on the card next to it
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Bert Blyleven with what looks like a hair or fiber
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G1911 11-13-2022 11:07 AM

This might be the earliest hair relic card!

steve B 11-14-2022 10:54 AM

I'm not positive about the cause, but most if not all of the 81 set comes with "regular" or "low contrast" backs.

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ALR-bishop 11-17-2022 02:07 PM

The 81 Bench 600 can be found with a missing top front border

ALR-bishop 11-18-2022 02:39 PM

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Another Aase

ALR-bishop 11-18-2022 02:55 PM

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Another 90

G1911 11-22-2022 12:51 AM

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1984 Topps 126 Braves Leaders comes with or without this bluish smudge in Murphy's name box. Seems common.

ALR-bishop 11-22-2022 09:43 AM

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I think the Murphy may involve 2 true variations, the one you posted being a transition card. The top one is scarce

G1911 11-22-2022 10:31 AM

Thank you Al, sorry that one is not new. I don’t know the 80’s too well so highlighting the ones I find in my sets that I can ID as recurring and haven’t seen before.

G1911 11-23-2022 03:15 PM

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#233 checklist comes with or without this slash mark in the lower right.

It can also have a blue spot below 192 Essasky.

More importantly, while sorting this 1984 set, I have learned the "complete set" is missing a card, which just happens to be the Darryl Strawberry Rookie Card. I'm forming a posse to go get the bastard who sold it to me.

G1911 11-23-2022 09:34 PM

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738 Bill Schroeder comes with or without this line to the right of the secondary portrait photo.

G1911 11-23-2022 09:38 PM

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The same dual lines, next to the secondary photo and in it, recurs on 746 Mickey Hatcher as a variant.

G1911 11-23-2022 10:28 PM

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1983 #130 Dave Stieb, this slash through his torso is recurring.

ALR-bishop 12-05-2022 02:48 PM

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The Schroeder/Hatcher defect can also be found on Henderson and Bair....plus some other 84 oddities

ALR-bishop 12-05-2022 02:50 PM

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Closer up

ALR-bishop 12-05-2022 02:55 PM

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And the 84 Encased or Head Outside the box cards

ALR-bishop 12-05-2022 03:04 PM

1984
 
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Another 84 oddity

G1911 12-14-2022 12:43 AM

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1982 Simmons comes with or without a dash below his 1972 stats. No dash is easier but COMC has 3 examples under a dollar right now (not mine) so the dash can't be tough.

ALR-bishop 12-14-2022 09:49 AM

Lucky for you.....and Shane.... he was no longer a Cardinal in 82

G1911 12-14-2022 12:46 PM

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Lucky for you.....and Shane.... he was no longer a Cardinal in 82

However, the recurring defect occurs on a Cardinals stat line. I may have accidentally and inadvertently violated our Cardinal rule. What have I done?! :(

Rich Klein 12-14-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2293858)
1982 Simmons comes with or without a dash below his 1972 stats. No dash is easier but COMC has 3 examples under a dollar right now (not mine) so the dash can't be tough.

Sorted these out in the COMC Data Base this afternoon. For sure a variation and enough in the DB to say both varieties have their own listing.

Rich

G1911 12-16-2022 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Klein (Post 2294023)
Sorted these out in the COMC Data Base this afternoon. For sure a variation and enough in the DB to say both varieties have their own listing.

Rich

Be careful, or we freaks are going to keep you busy logging our printing freaks :D

G1911 12-16-2022 12:12 AM

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Marty Castillo, #303 in the 1984 Topps set, comes with or without this red slash line running from next to the "I" in Tigers down to Castillo's leg. I believe it is fairly difficult.

G1911 12-18-2022 09:16 PM

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Was gifted this one today by a generous gentleman. 1986 Topps #567 Jeff Barkley, with peachy splotch to right. I think these are fairly uncommon.

G1911 12-18-2022 09:57 PM

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#108 Jim Gantner has this black mark in the left border, recurring fairly frequently.

G1911 12-18-2022 10:24 PM

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109 R.J. Reynolds, with a slash in the bottom of his last name.

ALR-bishop 12-19-2022 10:55 AM

Apparently the Ganter in also an UER

Cliff Bowman 12-19-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2295739)
Apparently the Ganter in also an UER

The uncorrected error is the reverse photo with the Brewers emblem on his hat backwards, there are a few 87 Topps Gantner cards with the errant ink mark on eBay.

ALR-bishop 12-19-2022 02:32 PM

I had to look for one without out it:)

G1911 12-19-2022 04:06 PM

I noticed the little black mark, but completely missed that the photo is obviously a reverse negative because his hat logo is totally backwards. Being a variation collector is weird.

G1911 12-19-2022 11:46 PM

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I don't know the sheet layouts, but related to Gantner, perhaps? I see others online with this same black mark.

card #577

Pat R 12-20-2022 04:43 PM

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Alright Greg you got me to dig out my box of 87 Topps with your last few posts.
So far I've found quite a few variations but I haven't checked to see if they are recurring. Here are a couple of the better ones and a Guidry with a black mark. There is a wide strip of red from the top to the bottom of the Wilkerson including the top and bottom border, it actually shows up much better in hand than it does in the scan.

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Cliff Bowman 12-20-2022 05:05 PM

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I don't know the sheet layouts, but related to Gantner, perhaps? I see others online with this same black mark.

card #577

Yep, Bilardello is to the left of Gantner.

Pat R 12-20-2022 09:29 PM

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A pair of Mike Marshall's with a break in the T in Topps and two more Bilardello's.

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G1911 12-20-2022 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2296134)
Yep, Bilardello is to the left of Gantner.

You always have the answer to a Topps sheet question!

G1911 12-20-2022 11:41 PM

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Alright Greg you got me to dig out my box of 87 Topps with your last few posts.
So far I've found quite a few variations but I haven't checked to see if they are recurring. Here are a couple of the better ones and a Guidry with a black mark. There is a wide strip of red from the top to the bottom of the Wilkerson including the top and bottom border, it actually shows up much better in hand than it does in the scan.

It's always good to have an excuse to dig into 1987 Topps. Might be worthless, but I love this design. Couldn't find any of these three here on other copies on eBay.

I went to COMC and picked up a Mike Marshall with broken "T". I also picked up this copy with a slash through the "O"; not quite sure if it's a recurring defect yet.

Pat R 12-21-2022 05:57 AM

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This Juan Bonilla has what looks similar to a laser line through the card and on each side of the line the colors are a different shade.

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frankhardy 12-23-2022 01:54 PM

Well...so far in this modern thread the Cardinals variations are not breaking me. I'm heading to the garage to look for 1981 Topps Mike Phillips.

Does anyone know if the 1981 Vuckovich is reoccurring?

frankhardy 12-23-2022 03:40 PM

After nearly 2 hours of scouring the internetwebs, I have come to the conclusion that a 100% totally clean 1981 Topps Mike Phillips is very, very scarce. Nearly all have some level of smudging of varying degrees. Some look clean until you inspect them closely.

I found a PSA 9 that looks clean in the scan, but I suspect imperfections could be found in the same area if looked at closely. Seller wanted $200, so I passed without hesitation. I also found one raw on Ebay that looks clean and I bought it.

I also bought several others of varying degrees.

For my Cardinals team set, I have notated 7 different distinct variations plus a clean one (hopefully). I'm sure there are more, but those will suffice for me.

I am dizzy! :eek:


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