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Not sure how many of these are really out there, but pretty sure there are fewer than it's T206 look alike
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Ian and Ted...those are gems! Loving this thread!
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Tarzan Bread, not too many.
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Two that out Wagner T206 Wagner
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A Crescent Ice Cream (nothing says scarce like Canadian semi-pro ball player cards), and probably the least desired super rare card around, the R308 Tattoo Orbit large size (pictured with his more common little twin brother).
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The Evans card in the T209-2 set is scarce although not at the level of this thread. But player postcards from the set qualify as Wagner-scarce since there were at most only 2-3 of them issued for the player.
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There's probably 50 or so cards from the E121-80 set that are more "rare" than the Wagner. Here's mine. There can't be more than a handful of these out there. It's the "Frank" (not the more common "J. Franklin") variation:
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My avatar is one of my favorite WaJo cards - 1911 Baseball Bats. SGC has graded a total of 34 Baseball Bats cards of all players (1 WaJo). As far as I can tell, PSA hasn't graded any cards from this set.
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Many more T206 Wagner's than these red HINDU beauty's
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With my narrow focus I'm sure more than half of my cards are in less numbers than the Wagner. Maybe I'm wrong but I would be remiss to think any of the T209 B&W's are over 75 in total population.
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Ted- great cards (as always!)...
Question- are you sure there are fewer Cy Young Cycle 460's than Wagners? Same question applies to several people who have posted above...how are we so sure of these numbers? Just guessing? |
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I acquired this Cy Young circa 2007; and, haven't seen another one since. If one wants to rely on Pop Reports....there are no PSA graded ones....and, depending how you interpret the SGC data, there are only 4 (or 7) graded ones. http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...e460cyoung.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...e460cyoung.jpg Happy New Year to you and your Family. TED Z . |
Ted, gotcha...great looking card as well. very bold, clean.
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I'll contribute this one (the 1931 is significantly tougher than the 1928 W502).
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Nice cards Jeff....
And to keep the Ruth theme going, I'm pretty sure these would work.... The E121-80 is rare "George" name variation.... |
Hey Erick. That E121-80 also identifies Ruth as a leftfielder, whereas the other version calls him Babe and lists him in rightfield.
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Not sure Sean. I think I may have read something on that a while ago, but don't recall. Maybe someone else will chime in. I'll see if I can find what I read about it before.
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That sounds right. I just checked baseball almanac and it shows Ruth played the 1921 World Series all in Left Field, other than the couple games he missed.
To further complicate things, there's also the Babe and the "Babe" variations. Not sure if there are any theories on those as to which came first.... |
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Jason and Erick, thank you for that explanation.
I have a "Babe" version. I didn't know that there was also a Babe version. |
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Interestingly, we've had different backs for the same front considered to be different cards, different grades of the same card to be considered different cards, and even a print scrap, which is apparently considered to be a different card from the production version.
So the rarest T206 Wagner is actually the Wagner card with a print variation different from all the rest, as well as the rarest slab: the Wagner belonging to these two fellows (no free advertising to the doofus who created the slab). http://www.bobconnelly.com/081206/cobbedwards.jpg http://www.pophistorydig.com/wp-cont...r-bbcard-2.jpg |
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Thank you for this Duffy....and, a double thanks for helping me to get some of the other red HINDU's for my "Exclusive 12" sub-set. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...llDuffy25x.jpg . . . . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lDuffy25xb.jpg TED Z . |
Ted, why don't you start a thread "T206's that are more scarce than a T206 Wagner"?
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OK, Scott......
......since you're tired of seeing my T206's......here is a classic 1949 LEAF card in my collection that is as tough to find as a T206 Wagner.
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...zaz/paige2.jpg . http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...zaz/paigeb.jpg T-Rex TED . |
That's not what I said at all. To the contrary, I asked you to start a thread, just for T206's that are more rare than the Wagner.
I think it would showcase how many T206's there are that are more rare than the Wagner. There, I said it three times so there's no mistaking my intent. I will add that, while I had never given it much thought, I'm very surprised at how many T206's are more scarce than Wagner. |
E104 Bris Lord...... Whoa ! ....it's actually a pix of Sherry Magee
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Adam--Fabulous cards! Thanks for showing them.
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PSA pop report shows 16 not sure how many at SGC
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Ted, 135 Leaf Paiges graded by PSA alone.
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Ted just stated that it's "as tough to find". We find T206 Wagners all the time. How often do you find a Leaf Paige?
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Thanks for the work guys. Best slide show in a long time. can honestly say I have never owned a single card in this array of sweet cardboard.
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Three Paiges on ebay since late October btw.
1948 Leaf Satchel Paige #8 Rookie Card SGC 20 (1.5) Only on ebay 1948 Leaf Satchel Paige #8 Rookie Card SGC 20 (1.5) Only on ebay $7,500.00 Buy It Now Free shipping View similar active items Sell one like this Dec-05 15:59 1948 Leaf SATCHEL PAIGE #8 SP HOF PSA 4.5 - Beauty!! 1948 Leaf SATCHEL PAIGE #8 SP HOF PSA 4.5 - Beauty!! $12,999.00 Best offer accepted View similar active items Sell one like this Nov-22 14:37 The item is listed as a Top Rated Plus item 1948 Leaf Satchel Paige #8 PSA 2 Rookie Card RC SP HoF Hall of Fame Centered 1948 Leaf Satchel Paige #8 PSA 2 Rookie Card RC SP HoF Hall of Fame Centered Finest centering and the most perfect registration. $9,200.00 Best offer accepted Free shipping View similar active items Sell one like this Oct-27 12:52 More items related to "1948 leaf paige" |
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There are only 6 Lefty Grove cards known from this set and 4 cards of Gabby Hartnett & 5 of Goose Goslin. The color variations consist of green, orange & yellow borders.
In addition, the original set consisted of at least 16 cards in total; 3 cards were of well known personalities of the day (Brendell, Keen & Maynard) which only 1 cards is know to exist - making this a truly difficult set to collect. 83 total cards were in the original find; 15 of which have images of the 3 known baseball players. Z Wheat |
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I've tracked 1949 Paige cards since 1982, when I acquired my Paige. That "135" number you have noted is the result of re-grades and crossovers. My educated estimate is that approx. 80-90 different Paige cards are actually reflected in that number. The 1949 Leaf Paige is one of the most sought after post-war cards; therefore, , it garners some ridiculously high $$$$$ figures. And, as little as 0.5 increase in it being RE-GRADED results in 1000's of $$$$ increase in its market price. T-Rex TED . |
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Looks like the Grove and Hartnett images were the same ones used for their '20's exhibit cards, not sure about Goslin.
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Great cardboard guys! Here are a few tough ones that I own.
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I really don't want to belabor this....but, I have seen the SGC pop data; and, I'm suspicious of the numbers. When I see Graded numbers bunched together (as they are in SGC's data on Paige), then I'd bet these #'s are the results of quite a number of re-grades. Of the 44 graded ones, my guess is there are no more than 25 "unique" Paige cards. Where does this leave us......approximately 100 "unique" 1949 Leaf Paige cards in circulation. Whoops ! ....I forgot my ungraded Paige......so, there are 101. Eventually, I predict that the number of T206 Wagner's will approach 100. T-Rex TED . |
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Ted are you saying that yours is the only one left ungraded? Even if you are right there are only 100 graded ones, I am sure there are many ungraded ones as well.
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" Less Than Severty-Five " in first post ??
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....75 is a pretty low bar for the guys that frequent this forum ; you'd probably still get a ton of responses if you had said "15" or so.. ...anyway I've been trying to upgrade these cards beyond a " One= Poor " for about nine years ....I'm going out on a limb and declaring that there are less than seventy-five of these out there... ...contact me if you own one of these in a "2".....I have money.... |
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It's my understanding that this T3 Doolan with the Turkey Red adv. back is very rare (considerably less than 50 examples).
T3 experts....please confirm, or correct me, regarding this observation http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...3Doolan25x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan25xB.jpg TED Z . |
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Nice Gandil. Come on SGC, Gandel?
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Thanks guys! It's Gandel on the card too. One of his best poses though in my opinion
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E105 Chance......less than a dozen of these out there
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Jeff, I absolutely love that Mathewson! Thanks for posting it, I didn't even know it existed (like many other cards in this thread - thanks to you all).
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Incredible bouquet of cardboard in this thread. The Holmes Joe and the Baltimore Ruth are easily my personal favorites, but those Nadja & Williams Wags are way more scarce than the T206 Wagner and awesome. The Type 1 Coupons are not even fighting fair as most of those are at 10-15 examples or less and not even close to the T-Wags. Seeing all this talent really makes me even question why the T206 Wags is valued so high. This may sound crazy, but I don't think I would want to invest 6 figures in it. What makes it worth so much? There is no rarity. Perhaps minimal scarcity. Only bloated fascination that has amplified over the decades. To be clear I am not a hater (just don't understand is more like it...) and think it's a neat card but so many more HOFer's in the T206 set are more scarce with backs like Lenox, etc. Let me digress and throw a few more that are way more scarce than the T-Wags. Great net 54 participation! Keep em coming.
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2 more rare Bays... One being from T-Wag's set and much more scarce.
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Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer 2)hugely popular card series (T206) 3)scarcity 4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not). Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky. http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=4723 |
Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer 2)hugely popular card series (T206) 3)scarcity 4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not). Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky. .................................................. .......................................... Well put. # 1, 2 & 4 = Desirability. There have been many cards posted in this thread that are WAY scarcer than the T206 Wagner, BUT almost all lack the overall desirability. Supply/Demand. |
Two sub-lists I would like to see:
1. T206 cards (back variations included, but no scraps) that are more rare than Wagner. 2. HOF cards (fronts only - back variations NOT considered) that are more rare than Wagner. |
It's also worth noting that while many cards are indeed rarer than the Wagner, for many of those cards the rarity is coming from the ad on the back, as opposed to it being a wholly unique front image.
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Rare = total number of a particular card Scarce = Total number of a card, considering also the demand for that card. Lots of cards are much more rare than Wagner (especially if you throw in front/back variations). But none are close in terms of scarcity, except perhaps the Baltimore News Ruth. |
But regardless of how we define "rare" this was still a fun thread. :)
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I am guessing that the Wagner has the highest percentage of graded specimens in existence. I will also guess that even for the rarer vintage cards out there the graded percentage goes way down.
This is a really off the wall guess but I would say that way fewer than 10 percent of most say T206s are graded. I know of three local collections including mine where no cards are graded. So basing rarity on graded populations is probably not very accurate? I agree with MVSNYC assessment of the Wagner and its' position in the hobby. |
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