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bmarlowe1 09-16-2014 04:46 PM
The OP has posted a series of misidentified items on net54 in recent weeks. I think we should know his name.

Leon - what do you think?

Runscott 09-16-2014 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstan (Post 1323005)
I have to say, that even though the OP still doesn't believe us and thinks it's Jackson,
That's what he says, but do you really believe it? Given that he also consigned the Amos Russie and the Fleetwood Walker?

Leon 09-16-2014 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmarlowe1 (Post 1323011)
The OP has posted a series of misidentified items on net54 in recent weeks. I think we should know his name.

Leon - what do you think?
I think I agree with you Mark....his name is

Mich.ael Calv.ello


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Lordstan 09-16-2014 05:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1323012)
That's what he says, but do you really believe it? Given that he also consigned the Amos Russie and the Fleetwood Walker?
Perhaps you're right.

Runscott 09-16-2014 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstan (Post 1323038)
Perhaps you're right.
It's a tough call. It could be that every time he sees an old photo, he 'sees' someone famous in it, because of extreme wishful thinking, then sends it to an auction house to make his fortune. I would probably believe this, except for the writing on the back of the Rusie piece. Still, perhaps he bought it that way from someone who knew he was a sucker for such items.

TimCarrollArt 09-16-2014 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstan (Post 1323005)
I have to say, that even though the OP still doesn't believe us and thinks it's Jackson, this has been an incredible thread. It clearly shows the depth and breadth of knowledge on this board.
To me, the benefit of these type threads, beside removing or at least correctly identifying items, is the education I get from the many skilled people on the board. Learning how the experts do research is so interesting. For instance, I would've never thought of the history of typeface to be a key to spotting a fake. Now that I think about it, it obviously should be, but I don't think I ever considered it before. Just amazing.
I want thank all of you for being part of the board and hope you all continue for years to come.
THIS. I continue to be blown away. Thanks to all for the education at Net54 University.

Tim

earlywynnfan 09-16-2014 06:01 PM
So all your talk made a nice Hauls of Shame article, I see!

WillowGrove 09-16-2014 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstan (Post 1322941)
Damn, Jeff! Be careful. I almost spit out my beverage when I read that! :D
+1. Great thread.

blackbetsy 09-17-2014 06:37 AM
Black Crows Broadside
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygary (Post 1322984)
That Joe Jackson broadside is a a travesty! Not only does it have the computer quotation marks, but one of the typefaces used is Futura, which was not even cut until Jackson was comfortably retired! (first used in Germany from 1928 or so but not used in the US - let alone a small Southern letterpress printer - until the mid-late 1930's.
When I first saw this about 15 to 20 years back, I thought it might be legitimate, then I started researching drug stores named Devine / Devine's. I found one drug store in South Dakota from Joe's outlaw ball days, but that town did not have a Crosley Field. Of course, I thought of the Cincinnati field right off the bat, but never found a Divine's drug store in Cincinnati (I am fairly certainly, MLB and Landis would not have allowed Jackson to play at Crosley in Cincinnati, so I pretty much ruled that out from the get go). Never found another town in the United States with a Divine's drug store, much less one with a Crosley field.....that is when I came to the conclusion, someone was having fun with me, never thought to check the fonts (I too, am putting that little tidbit in my toolbox). In my 33 years of researching Joe, I've had more people come to me with "stuff" they thought was Joe, or belonged to Joe or was used by Joe and they wanted CRAZY money all because of his name. I had a guy try to sell me a mink coat that he said belong to Joe's wife, without any provenance.....just his word that he acquire it from her before she died and he wanted over 100K for it........NUTS!!! They see Shoeless and it turns into $hoele$$ in their minds!!!
On the broadside, the term "vendored" in the "food will be vendored" sentence bothered me when I first read it before doing any research. Prior to this, I had never seen that term used in a 1920's or 30's broadside or any other advertisement for a game with Joe Jackson. Reminds me when Pete Nash go hot and heavy on the Barry Halper Joe Jackson White Sox uniform at the Hall. The obviously undoing in that jersey is that it was made by Spalding and Wilson was the supplier of the Sox uniforms in Joe's day. The only thing was the Sox was sewn on with thread that was not developed until the 1940's. Hey Fakers.....if you're going to go to the trouble to try to fake us out, at least use period material :-)


Mike Nola
Official Historian
Shoeless Joe Jackson Virtual Hall of Fame
http://www.blackbetsy.com

hcv123 09-17-2014 07:45 AM
or.......
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstan (Post 1322941)
Damn, Jeff! Be careful. I almost spit out my beverage when I read that! :D


Why don't we see if a late night show host will do a street poll - at least more random than 15 pottery collecting women. We could develop criteria like if 6 out of 10 agree then it must be true!?

BBSD 09-17-2014 07:42 PM
I asked my wife who has no clue who Joe is and she immediately said the lips do not match.

EVAJOY91 09-17-2014 08:17 PM
Getting the Record Straight Shoeless Joe Jackson Military service Reply to Thread
 
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I posted this magnificent 1909 world championship pirates photo back in july around the same time i posted the shoeless joe jackson military panoramic photo. I asked net54 members back in july to help me identify both photos. No one at that time paid any attention to the posts. One member comment yesterday said that "every photo i post i see someone famous" i ask that member where was he back in july? If i had the many comments on the joe jackson panoramic photo i wouldn't have consigned to huggins & scott. But again, no comment back then. Well here is another photo i posted back in july that will be auctioned by huggins & scott. Does everyone see the great honus wagner? Let me know what you experts think. I can still pull it even though this exact photo sold at auction in 2007 for $3,000. Thank you as always for any help you can provide. Regards, michael calvello

Runscott 09-17-2014 08:40 PM
nevermind

baseball tourist 09-17-2014 09:12 PM
Sigh....

earlywynnfan 09-18-2014 05:28 AM
I have to say, the Jackson mis-identification is far less egregious than that Fleetwood Walker travesty. "He's black and he's on an early baseball team," seems to be the only link between that guy and Walker. To even get that as far as an auction preview is pretty embarrassing.

Ken

jerseygary 09-18-2014 05:50 AM
I can't speak for anyone else, but I gently questioned Joe Jackson and his military career when you posted this photo earlier. This is what I wrote:

"I'm not a Shoeless Joe expert by any stretch, but didn't he avoid serving in the war by leaving the White Sox a few weeks into the 1918 season and getting employed at Bethlehem Steel shipyards in Wilmington, Delaware? I recall reading that Comiskey had some very choice words to say about what he felt was Jackson avoiding the draft by playing ball for Bethlehem Steel under the ruse of a war-production job. The Chicago sportswriters really let Jackson have it as well.

Did he join the Army at the tail end of the war? I'm curious what the story is behind the picture. "

You didn't add any answers to the thread and then started another with the same picture. I didn't pursue it further or voice any of my doubts about this picture (let alone say that I don't think it looks anything like Joe Jackson) because most of the threads you start are about these phantom famous players and don't seem to have anything to back them up with. Plus you never seem to take anyone's advice or expertise so I thought that any further reply to your old Joe Jackson military photo thread would be a waste of time. I can only assume others thought the same.

Now that you got the you somehow got the Jackson photo to appear in a legit auction house where misinformed buyers could be tricked - that's why the Net54 community has come down on your picture like a bag of hammers.

Before you were a harmless wishful thinker, now people could lose money if these pictures aren't thoroughly vetted. I hope your pictures do turn out to have the people you say are in them. That would be a great find. But don't post them on Net54 with the expectation of selling them at auction and expect the collectors here to just ok them. This forum has the highest concentration of baseball history and memorabilia minds on the web. Most here are extremely helpful and kind but also diligently protect their hobby.

If any of your pictures do turn out to really feature Fleet Walker or Joe Jackson, the fella's on Net54 would be the first to not only confirm the legitimacy of the photo but supply you with all the background information you need to sell the picture at auction, all for the sheer joy of helping a fellow collector. A Net54 member would probably wind up buying the piece as well.

I replied to your original tread. Others did as well, voicing their doubt. You just chose not to acknowledge us.

slidekellyslide 09-18-2014 06:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbetsy (Post 1323270)
When I first saw this about 15 to 20 years back, I thought it might be legitimate, then I started researching drug stores named Devine / Devine's. I found one drug store in South Dakota from Joe's outlaw ball days, but that town did not have a Crosley Field. Of course, I thought of the Cincinnati field right off the bat, but never found a Divine's drug store in Cincinnati (I am fairly certainly, MLB and Landis would not have allowed Jackson to play at Crosley in Cincinnati, so I pretty much ruled that out from the get go). Never found another town in the United States with a Divine's drug store, much less one with a Crosley field.....that is when I came to the conclusion, someone was having fun with me, never thought to check the fonts (I too, am putting that little tidbit in my toolbox). In my 33 years of researching Joe, I've had more people come to me with "stuff" they thought was Joe, or belonged to Joe or was used by Joe and they wanted CRAZY money all because of his name. I had a guy try to sell me a mink coat that he said belong to Joe's wife, without any provenance.....just his word that he acquire it from her before she died and he wanted over 100K for it........NUTS!!! They see Shoeless and it turns into $hoele$$ in their minds!!!
On the broadside, the term "vendored" in the "food will be vendored" sentence bothered me when I first read it before doing any research. Prior to this, I had never seen that term used in a 1920's or 30's broadside or any other advertisement for a game with Joe Jackson. Reminds me when Pete Nash go hot and heavy on the Barry Halper Joe Jackson White Sox uniform at the Hall. The obviously undoing in that jersey is that it was made by Spalding and Wilson was the supplier of the Sox uniforms in Joe's day. The only thing was the Sox was sewn on with thread that was not developed until the 1940's. Hey Fakers.....if you're going to go to the trouble to try to fake us out, at least use period material :-)


Mike Nola
Official Historian
Shoeless Joe Jackson Virtual Hall of Fame
http://www.blackbetsy.com
Well, you do have this sign listed on your website with no mention that it is a fantasy piece. It's pretty much the only link that shows up in a search of this item besides the few times it's been auctioned off....If I were a prospective bidder and saw it listed on your site I might be inclined to bid on it.

http://www.blackbetsy.com/photosOutlawBallDays.html

Econteachert205 09-18-2014 06:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVAJOY91 (Post 1323700)
I posted this magnificent 1909 world championship pirates photo back in july around the same time i posted the shoeless joe jackson military panoramic photo. I asked net54 members back in july to help me identify both photos. No one at that time paid any attention to the posts. One member comment yesterday said that "every photo i post i see someone famous" i ask that member where was he back in july? If i had the many comments on the joe jackson panoramic photo i wouldn't have consigned to huggins & scott. But again, no comment back then. Well here is another photo i posted back in july that will be auctioned by huggins & scott. Does everyone see the great honus wagner? Let me know what you experts think. I can still pull it even though this exact photo sold at auction in 2007 for $3,000. Thank you as always for any help you can provide. Regards, michael calvello
I wasn't even a member in July but you seem to be suggesting that it is the duty of forum members to do free research for you and that it is their fault for not informing you in July that your photo was bogus. There's a big difference between someone saying hey have a look at this than the scrutiny an item receives when it ends up in a major auction house with a hefty price tag. Marlowe and others who are experts in their field don't have time to inspect every marginal piece that shows up on the board and we are all lucky they take the time they do to educate us all on such subjects. The Pittsburgh Pirates piece is great, I hope you do well with it.

bgar3 09-18-2014 06:43 AM
My recollection is that you(evajoy) were posting items that you identified and asked about values, not that you asked what the items actually were. In many instances there were substantial issues and questions about your identification, which resulted in defenses of the items by you, which were also questioned. I also recall members asking you to continue posting, as the items were interesting even if they were not what you assumed they were. The "1889 boston team" photo with Walker was clearly questioned, both as to team and Walker.

blackbetsy 09-18-2014 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1323788)
Well, you do have this sign listed on your website with no mention that it is a fantasy piece. It's pretty much the only link that shows up in a search of this item besides the few times it's been auctioned off....If I were a prospective bidder and saw it listed on your site I might be inclined to bid on it.

http://www.blackbetsy.com/photosOutlawBallDays.html
Whoops!!! This one got by us. We totally forgot we had this in the Outlaw Ball Days section of the site. It's been up for many years and we just totally forgot about it being there. We have corrected the listing to clearly let our visitors know that this is a fantasy broadside. Thanks for pointing that out to us.....now I'm gonna go wipe the egg off my face :-)

Mike Nola
Official Historian
Shoeless Joe Jackson Virtual Hall of Fame
http://www.blackbetsy.com

the-illini 09-18-2014 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1323777)
I have to say, the Jackson mis-identification is far less egregious than that Fleetwood Walker travesty. "He's black and he's on an early baseball team," seems to be the only link between that guy and Walker. To even get that as far as an auction preview is pretty embarrassing.

Ken
I think the Amos Rusie photo is just as bad. Someone wrote Rusie's name on the back of the photo and H&S mentioned that he was tall just like the guy in the front of the coach - it's gotta be him.

Chris Bland

Lordstan 09-18-2014 08:21 AM
I agree with many of the last several posters have stated.
First, you post an item with some assertion of what it is and ask for our help identifying and pricing it. Someone has answered pretty much every thread questioning your identification of every item, with exception of the Pittsburgh and Gehrig Day items. Sometime the response was that it isn't the person you think. Other responses have been asking for more information or provenance from you regarding how you know what the item is. Your response is often a mixture of ignoring/ejecting the questions and challenges of the board members or some sort of double talk. I guess it's either meant to distract, you really have no idea what you are doing, or you are really wishing the things to be what you think that you are blinded to all reason. As I don't know you personally, I have no idea which it is, but it does get tiring. People get put off from answering as they don't feel it's worth going through the same dance over and over again.

packs 09-18-2014 09:30 AM
How did you (H&S) go about ID'ing the horse and carriage photo? The description states no parallel between the supposed manager and Rusie exists, yet it is priced to reflect Rusie being in the photo.

Just wondering what the determining factor was. The inscription on the back references the HOF, so it must have been made at least 35 years after Rusie's death. Does the AH agree that it is Rusie?

honus94566 09-18-2014 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hugginsandscott (Post 1322445)
One thing we cannot do is say that he is "in uniform" in this picture. He is one only a handful of the 173 people in an overcoat (while most are in full uniform). He is wearing a hat, but that could have been given to him for the purpose of the photo. We are running this photo because we believe it is "Shoeless" Joe Jackson. There is evidence to support that he toured various military operations in and around the Mid-Atlantic area following his tenure in the Bethlehem Steel League and prior to Spring Training of 1919.
The photo is certainly a type 1 period photo from Camp Meade, MD and it's dated December 4, 1918.

I would be curious if Mike Nola has any documentation showing that Jackson was back in South Carolina by early December, however I would suspect that would be very difficult to obtain. It is in our opinion that the man in the back of that photograph is Joe Jackson; hence we are offering it as such.
thanks,
Josh Wulkan
Huggins and Scott Auctions
I am a latecomer to this thread, but wow, just wow...

After the "Partial Possible T206 Wagner" back and other debacles I have stopped supporting H&S.

This kind of garbage just reinforces that was the correct decision.

Come on H&S! You guys should be absolutely embarrassed of yourselves.

I do appreciate the comedy, though. Makes my workday more entertaining.

Ladder7 09-19-2014 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by honus94566 (Post 1323999)
Come on H&S! You guys should be absolutely embarrassed of yourselves.
No worries. The buyer's fee cures all embarrassment.

steve B 09-20-2014 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-illini (Post 1322803)
While you are correcting things, this is not an N173 Old Judge cabinet, despite what the SGC flip says...

http://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-b...l?itemid=77141

Chris Bland
And it's more likely that "Pugg" or possibly "Rugg" is not a tobacco plant but a photographer.

Steve B

Directly 09-21-2014 11:46 AM
I would enjoy replying to this post with my opinion what I call the Ear-thing. I thought it might be better to first ask to allow a heads-up because each time I have a different point of view, insight or even think outside the box, it infuriates a few, and that's not my objective but politely in good taste my goal is to debunk the Ear-thing theory being the 100 percent gospel, I might want to start a new thread--??

thecatspajamas 09-21-2014 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Directly (Post 1325196)
I would enjoy replying to this post with my opinion what I call the Ear-thing. I thought it might be better to first ask to allow a heads-up because each time I have a different point of view, insight or even think outside the box, it infuriates a few, and that's not my objective but politely in good taste my goal is to debunk the Ear-thing theory being the 100 percent gospel, I might want to start a new thread--??
Oh, this should be good. :rolleyes:

Yes, please do start a new thread. Let's not hide your insight at the end of this dying one.

Lordstan 09-21-2014 02:12 PM
Oh boy. Here we go. Welcome back Mr Comiskey .

bmarlowe1 09-21-2014 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Directly (Post 1325196)
I would enjoy replying to this post with my opinion what I call the Ear-thing...my goal is to debunk the Ear-thing theory being the 100 percent gospel, I might want to start a new thread--??
It's funny, the OP really did remind me of Directly. Anyway, if he wishes has can try to debunk the following;

From “Foresnsic Art and Illustration,” Chapter 9, CRC Press, 2000, K. T. Taylor (available on Amazon.com):
When comparing faces [in photos], Bertillon placed particular importance on the configurations of the structures within the profile ear. His approach is still valid today. I have often referred to Bertillon’s suggestions, relying on ears for reliable comparisons. Figure 9.1 shows an early photo-to-photo comparison by Bertillon in which the structure of the ears revealed the identity of a man, although his appearance has changed considerably over a 7-year interval.

From “Ear Biometrics,” H. K. Lammi, Lappeenrenta University, Information Processing Lab, Lappeenranta, Finalnd:
Basically the human ear shape is the same during the whole life and the growth is proportional. However, the gravity can cause ear stretching. 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From “Photo Fakery,” D. A. Brugioni, Founder of the CIA Photo Interpretation Center, Brassey Press, 1999:
In discussing the detection of a fake photo of Mao, he states, “The ears gave the double away…Police and investigative units frequently use the physical characteristics of the ear…By carefully matching the differences become very apparent…In advanced age, the lobe will usually lengthen.
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Econteachert205 09-21-2014 03:07 PM
I'd like to debunk this gravity, science and math thing while we're at it.

Lordstan 09-21-2014 05:09 PM
Directly,
The reason people get upset is that people, like you, come on here asking for help with their items. When it turns out that the item isn't what they thought it was, they get defensive and keep arguing. Perhaps a better idea might be to say thank you to those who are offering the benefit of the knowledge they have acquired over years of experience.

Forever Young 09-21-2014 06:17 PM
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I would enjoy replying to this post with my opinion what I call the Ear-thing. I thought it might be better to first ask to allow a heads-up because each time I have a different point of view, insight or even think outside the box, it infuriates a few, and that's not my objective but politely in good taste my goal is to debunk the Ear-thing theory being the 100 percent gospel, I might want to start a new thread--??
There is not much in this world that is 100 percent gospel. Old, b&w, grainy images being compared at different angles and different sizes is no exception. I do believe, however, that ears compared side by side of the same person/different images(if they are clear and concise comparisons) is pretty damn scientific though. The key is getting the correct/clear comparisons imo. I would love to hear what you have to say in another thread actually and I am sure it will provide net54 with a lot of hits.
I can guarantee you one this is for sure.. no F N way this is the same guy.

FourStrikes 09-21-2014 06:21 PM
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+1000

gnaz01 09-21-2014 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Forever Young (Post 1325335)
I can guarantee you one this is for sure.. no F N way this is the same guy.
Now that's a classic, Ben!! :D

bnorth 09-21-2014 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Forever Young (Post 1325335)
There is not much in this world that is 100 percent gospel. Old, b&w, grainy images being compared at different angles and different sizes is no exception. I do agree that ears compared side by side of the same person/different images(if they can be clearly compared) is pretty damn scientific though. The key, is getting the correct/clear comparisons imo. I would love to hear what you have to say in another thread actually and I am sure it will provide net54 with a lot of hits.
I can guarantee you one this is for sure.. no F N way this is the same guy.
That's the same guy you just got a picture of the before and after Tyson fight.:eek:;):D

CW 09-21-2014 09:58 PM
Ben, that is hilarious! :D :D :D

Directly 09-23-2014 08:48 PM
Lordstan :-)--thanks for what?--jealousy.

Forever Young :-)---There is not much in this world that is 100 percent gospel. Old, b&w, grainy images being compared at different angles and different sizes is no exception. I do believe, however, that ears compared side by side of the same person/different images(if they are clear and concise comparisons) is pretty damn scientific though. The key is getting the correct/clear comparisons imo.

Directly :-) -Agree!

bmarlowe1 :-) ?????

bmarlowe1 09-23-2014 11:03 PM
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The key is getting the correct/clear comparisons imo. I would love to hear what you have to say in another thread...
Ben - You can see what he had to say here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=163481 If you see anything rational, let me know. Be sure not to miss posts 37 and 50.

He claimed and apparently still believes that these two are the same person. It's more than clear enough to see what we need to see.

jerseygary 09-24-2014 06:31 AM
Wow, I thought you were joking with the 2 pics of that supposed "match" until I went back and read the thread you linked to it. You could tell by the uniforms alone that was a dubious "match" but the whole ear thing takes that into a new realm of impossibilities.

Some sly picker or shady wholeseller must have a stack of these nameless 19th century team pictures and gleefully unloads them on romantic wishful thinkers, then sits back and watches the chaos ensue as he counts his Benjamins.

yanks12025 09-24-2014 06:46 AM
Looks like he ain't posting anymore. Hopefully it stays that way.

Forever Young 09-24-2014 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bmarlowe1 (Post 1326273)
Ben - You can see what he had to say here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=163481 If you see anything rational, let me know. Be sure not to miss posts 37 and 50.

He claimed and apparently still believes that these two are the same person. It's more than clear enough to see what we need to see.
Uhhhh.... Yeah. I would say that this one in particular is gospel. :)

Directly 09-25-2014 06:44 PM
Directly :-) --yes I would really ask to start a new thread- but please try and keep it educational-informative and interesting!

P/S --bmarlowe1 :-) I' m deeply hurt but must for a informational purposes only and my opinion your ear thing comparison between 150 old photo's to say nicely- was really under the bus! (terrible)

yanks12025 10-04-2014 06:54 AM
It now looks like this guys 1909 pirates poster was stolen from the hall of fame twice.

Ladder7 10-04-2014 07:03 AM
Another blame the messenger -rags to riches, back to rags story... Thanks for stopping by!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V1F1MjAKAP...e-roof-top.jpg

67Rally 02-04-2019 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by yanks12025 (Post 1330214)
It now looks like this guys 1909 pirates poster was stolen from the hall of fame twice.
This was one of the most interesting threads that I have read on any message board. I realize that I am johnny-come-lately on this thread but having read this one and the two others, I found myself astonished. From the moment I saw the first thread with the OP's sharing of the framed yardlong, I wondered which soldier was being referenced as Jackson. I tried to give benefit of doubt though my first instincts were to re-examine each face in that top row trying to see which one could be mistaken for the man. Not one person stood out to me.

When someone buys the story rather than the artifact, they want so desperately to believe it to be true despite every indication that the story is BS. To deny biographers who have researched this man ad nauseum and never having found a shred of evidence of service and then to ignore this fact while trying to sell the piece (hoping for a large payday) is a massive credibility hole.

Thanks to all who weighed in.

I am just a lowly researcher and military historian with a focus on baseball militaria.

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