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packs 09-04-2014 01:53 PM
Maybe not exactly equal but I would think as close as you could get. For example, whenever you look through a price guide throughout the early 1950s issues the guide values common Yankees, Dodgers and Giants higher than other commons. But I seem to remember it stops making that distinction after the Dodgers and Giants move from New York.

Although I haven't looked at a guide in a while.

tedzan 09-04-2014 02:48 PM
The excitement of finding a Mantle in a pack......
 
Most likely the most memorable BB card experience from my youth occurred in the Fall of 1952. I remember this event as if it happened just yesterday.
I opened 1952 Topps 5-cent waxpack and I was very excited to find these 5 cards. They have been in my collection for exactly 62 years.

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...mmantle52t.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...wrapper100.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...fhermspenc.jpg
TED Z
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Peter_Spaeth 09-05-2014 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1318438)
I disagree. While I do think you have a point that it may have made some difference, still not equal to Mantle...
I too disagree. I think Mantle was just the perfect storm and Mays was not, great though he was -- white, NY, Yankees, Paul Bunyanesque strength, the aw shucks Oklahoma mines personality, the mystique of playing hurt, and a team that won almost every year. Or to put it another way, he had more "duende" than Mays.

packs 09-05-2014 11:42 AM
Man, it has been a long time since I heard duende.

Kudos to you my friend. Have you ever read Pedro Paramo? Juan Rulfo was one of my favorite authors.

Peter_Spaeth 09-05-2014 01:09 PM
I haven't read it, but it's a great word, one of those words that can't quite be translated, like some Yiddish words.

HOF Auto Rookies 09-07-2014 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1318291)
And there's nothing inherently meaningful about a gold versus silver versus blue card; one could create the same artificial scarcity by putting out a regular version of a card and a few with a red dot. So what?

Funny you mention that, because I read countless threads all the time on here about dots on T206's and if they are errors and what not.


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tjb1952tjb 09-09-2014 12:20 AM
Early California Angels.....
 
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Originally Posted by chris6net (Post 1316267)
When I was a kid Roger Repoz was supposed to be the next Mickey Mantle!
Yes..........I remember Roger Repoz. A name from the past.........I went to many California Angels games in my youth (rode my bike to the "Big A").

Karl Mattson 09-09-2014 09:57 AM
IMO, Mantle’s greatness went beyond basic stats – for a time, he was regarded as the fastest man in baseball (Trout isn’t, although he’s close); he hit some of the longest home runs in MLB history (Trout hasn’t, and probably won’t); he was the greatest switch-hitter in history (Trout bats RH only); and his teams won the WS three times in his first 4 seasons, with the Mick blasting 4 WS HRs (Trout still hasn’t made it to the postseason).

Also, while I don’t recall Mantle having an outstanding throwing arm, from what I’ve seen Trout’s isn’t even average. Mantle had an impressive 49 outfield assists in his first 4 years, while Trout thus far has 10 (and Trout, amazingly, went all of 2013 without a single assist).

While most stats favor Trout to date, Mantle’s career really took off in seasons 5 thru 12. I don’t see Trout winning a triple crown, 4 HR titles, compiling a 1.062 OPS, or challenging the single season HR record over his next 8 years, but maybe he’ll surprise me. Right now, despite having an excellent overall season and contending for the MVP, Trout’s only hitting in the .280s while striking out like crazy (he’ll likely top 180 this year). Since the AS break, he’s only hitting .248/.322/.460, and IMO he would be a strange choice for MVP given he batted .311/.405/.609 while the Angels were only 47-36, but then only .258/.329/.484 with 76 SO over the last 60 games when the Angels went 41-19 to become MLB’s winningest team.

CMIZ5290 09-09-2014 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl Mattson (Post 1320185)
IMO, Mantle’s greatness went beyond basic stats – for a time, he was regarded as the fastest man in baseball (Trout isn’t, although he’s close); he hit some of the longest home runs in MLB history (Trout hasn’t, and probably won’t); he was the greatest switch-hitter in history (Trout bats RH only); and his teams won the WS three times in his first 4 seasons, with the Mick blasting 4 WS HRs (Trout still hasn’t made it to the postseason).

Also, while I don’t recall Mantle having an outstanding throwing arm, from what I’ve seen Trout’s isn’t even average. Mantle had an impressive 49 outfield assists in his first 4 years, while Trout thus far has 10 (and Trout, amazingly, went all of 2013 without a single assist).

While most stats favor Trout to date, Mantle’s career really took off in seasons 5 thru 12. I don’t see Trout winning a triple crown, 4 HR titles, compiling a 1.062 OPS, or challenging the single season HR record over his next 8 years, but maybe he’ll surprise me. Right now, despite having an excellent overall season and contending for the MVP, Trout’s only hitting in the .280s while striking out like crazy (he’ll likely top 180 this year). Since the AS break, he’s only hitting .248/.322/.460, and IMO he would be a strange choice for MVP given he batted .311/.405/.609 while the Angels were only 47-36, but then only .258/.329/.484 with 76 SO over the last 60 games when the Angels went 41-19 to become MLB’s winningest team.
Karl- Well done....Exactly right IMO....There was only one Mantle....

Baseball Rarities 09-09-2014 08:07 PM
While Trout may not be the next Mickey Mantle, his first three full seasons have been nothing short of remarkable. Two second place MVP finishes and a likely first this year. Has anyone else ever had such success in their first three years?

ooo-ribay 09-09-2014 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1316261)
Forget the current population reports. There are far fewer Mike Trout 2009 Bowman Chrome autos than there are 1952 Topps Mickey Mantles. Assuming Topps has the same tiers, there are 2,676 2009 Bowman Chrome Mike Trout autos-1,695 base autos, 500 refractor autos, 250 x-fractor autos, 150 blue refractor autos, 50 gold refractor autos, 25 orange refractor autos, 5 red refractor autos, and a superfractor. And of those, Beckett graded 9s or higher will command a premium.
say WHAT????? :p

HOF Auto Rookies 09-10-2014 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl Mattson (Post 1320185)
IMO, Mantle’s greatness went beyond basic stats – for a time, he was regarded as the fastest man in baseball (Trout isn’t, although he’s close); he hit some of the longest home runs in MLB history (Trout hasn’t, and probably won’t); he was the greatest switch-hitter in history (Trout bats RH only); and his teams won the WS three times in his first 4 seasons, with the Mick blasting 4 WS HRs (Trout still hasn’t made it to the postseason).



Also, while I don’t recall Mantle having an outstanding throwing arm, from what I’ve seen Trout’s isn’t even average. Mantle had an impressive 49 outfield assists in his first 4 years, while Trout thus far has 10 (and Trout, amazingly, went all of 2013 without a single assist).



While most stats favor Trout to date, Mantle’s career really took off in seasons 5 thru 12. I don’t see Trout winning a triple crown, 4 HR titles, compiling a 1.062 OPS, or challenging the single season HR record over his next 8 years, but maybe he’ll surprise me. Right now, despite having an excellent overall season and contending for the MVP, Trout’s only hitting in the .280s while striking out like crazy (he’ll likely top 180 this year). Since the AS break, he’s only hitting .248/.322/.460, and IMO he would be a strange choice for MVP given he batted .311/.405/.609 while the Angels were only 47-36, but then only .258/.329/.484 with 76 SO over the last 60 games when the Angels went 41-19 to become MLB’s winningest team.

Wow, what a post! I cannot argue with anything other than his MVP case this year, which may actually go to King Felix if he keeps this up.


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HOF Auto Rookies 09-10-2014 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities (Post 1320413)
While Trout may not be the next Mickey Mantle, his first three full seasons have been nothing short of remarkable. Two second place MVP finishes and a likely first this year. Has anyone else ever had such success in their first three years?

Can you imagine if he started off winning three straight to start his career...wow. I don't even want to think about his card prices lol


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Peter_Spaeth 09-10-2014 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities (Post 1320413)
While Trout may not be the next Mickey Mantle, his first three full seasons have been nothing short of remarkable. Two second place MVP finishes and a likely first this year. Has anyone else ever had such success in their first three years?
Pujols perhaps?

Baseball Rarities 09-10-2014 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1320643)
Pujols perhaps?
Yeah you are right, I forgot how dominant Pujols was right out of the gate.

Runscott 09-16-2014 05:01 PM
Looking forward to Mike Trout on the Keith Olberman show tomorrow (Wednesday). I've been really enjoying this show lately.

Davino 09-17-2014 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ctownboy (Post 1315500)
IMHO, I think the Angels are mismanaging Trout.

One study that was done (a Saber study?) showed that most players best years were between the ages of 26 - 28 or 27 - 29. That is when everything seemed to jell especially the power numbers.

To me, guys with speed usually are best when they are younger and then the speed goes and they have to adapt as a player. If Trout is already not running as much (by choice or by orders from above) then he/they are limiting his skills and wasting the speed years while trying to force him into the power years which he might be ready for and which the strikeouts show.

No, if Pujols doesn't want Trout running because it distracts him when he is in the box, my suggestion has always been to have Trout lead off, with Hamilton batting second and Pujols third. That way, Trout can run if he wants to and Hamilton has the hole between first and second to try and pull a ball through.

This also makes it harder for opposing defenses to put a shift on. I say this because if nobody is covering third and Trout is successful at stealing second then he can just get up and run to third.

So, to wrap it up, I would let Trout steal as much as possible early in his career to get those numbers up and then let him grow into his power. He could easily be stealing 50 bags a year in his youth and then hitting 40 to 50 home runs a year in his peak years.

David
great analysis!!

chaddurbin 09-17-2014 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1323017)
Looking forward to Mike Trout on the Keith Olberman show tomorrow (Wednesday). I've been really enjoying this show lately.
you've only started enjoying KO's show recently?

i think it's wise if trout's power is up then to limit his running. he doesn't need the wear n tear and freak injury that could occur. he's still one of the fastest runners in the league so i think it's the front office call and not a natural decline in speed. i'd rather he goes off for 35-40 hrs and 20 steals than 20-25hrs and 60 sbs.


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