This is not my card nor is it my auction. It is currently on eBay. If I'm not supposed to do this, somebody please let me know. I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on it. I'm guessing that someone in the past 45 years whited out the Clarence Gaston square and colored in the circle with a marker. It is a very neat job if someone did, though. The back of the card has the normal printing, the seller put up a scan of both sides on the listing.

The 2 major red flags for me is the added yellow in the logo area isn't even the same yellow in the name. Now for the even bigger give away. Right below ROOKIE STARS you can see were they got as little carried away with the solvent and messed up the red ink. There are a few more red flags but those 2 give me the most concern.

Would like to check it out in hand for the slim chance it is real but would not pay anywhere near the opening bid to do it.

I asked the seller a couple of very specific questions. We'll see how he answers them.

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/...psc40bfaec.jpg

A 1976 Joe Rudi with almost invisible black lines and team name. Under magnification it looks light grey, probably low on black ink.

The 1969 rookie card above, with the missing picture, can easily be created with a common pencil eraser, and some careful masking. What makes me thick of a pencil eraser is the area under the word "rookie stars", some of the sky of the picture to the left, the red area that says "Bill Davis" and even parts of the black line seem to have parts where they got a little wild with the eraser. Someone else mentioned chemical removal, maybe bleaching. But it's pretty obvious it is a "creation" meant to deceive, maybe by the seller, or maybe by someone in the past and it has just been passed along in collections. Who knows.

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1f4a4260.jpg

I've had these 2 cards since the early 70s. As a kid I always thought thy were magical, like I was seeing through the card, to the printing on the back. I eventually realized they were most probably "kiss prints". These probably occurred by placing one printed sheet on top of another, when the ink was not totally dry, so the image of the back printing of the top sheet got transferred to the top of sheet under it.

Not cards, but lots of slight variations on these photos:

http://1978theyearitallbegan.blogspo...b-picture.html

Have only scanned the collection for Garvey variations so far, but would guess other players have them too:

http://1978theyearitallbegan.blogspo...or-photos.html

My fingerprint collection. The McNertney cards have varying amounts of the print shown, I have found 3 main variations with the print showing.

Ben, can you tell if the prints match on the McCovey and McNertney cards....could it be Sy on both cards????

Happy Vito Valentine's Day : 1957 Topps #74
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...57VITO_NEW.JPG



.....not quite the fame of the Gene Baker/Bakep but I love the serendipity ...or maybe the printers were just bored one day....

...the slab is the old ''PGS'' from the early days of grading companies in the 1990's ; they are no longer in business , for many years now..

Vito
 

Hey Mike. good one. Can not tell from scan, is the word, pitcher messed up too ?

Yes it is
 

----yup , good eye--- the bottom of the ''p'' is gone , the cross of the ''t'' is missing and the bottom of the ''r'' isn't there either...looks like ''Diicher''...

In flipping through some 71's, I noticed this #251 Reberger card has a small loop on the upper right area of the white border around the image. This variation seems to be just a small one, but I found just one copy on COMC, and following a very quick scroll through the ebay listings I saw just a few there.

The 1971 Topps Frank Reberger can also be found with a recurring large ink blob next to his face.

1966 Topps Lumpe
 

The 66 Topps Jerry Lumpe apparently has an unlisted "white wedge" variation with a white streak in the yellow box just above his position. They don't seem too extremely difficult to find but some sellers have them listed high to see who will bite.

Here is a nice PSA8 graded example for those completing master set runs:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-1...item2c8a5e0b39

Here is a decent autographed one I would jump on if I were a Tigers collector or auto set collector:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-TOPPS-J...item35be23fc69

Couple of Blobs
 

Love your blob, Cliff! Whatta ya think of mine?

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/y...sb849a61e.jpeg

Campenella
 

There is a recurring print defect in his 52 cards as well. It was listed in the 52 Super Set by Huggins & Scott

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1410019015

The Lumpe and the 2 Rebergers are not too hard to run down

Nice, Al. Tough to find those cards with back defects since mist ebay sellers don't provide back scans anymore.


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1956 Topps Teddy Ballgame
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...6TEDDY_NEW.JPG



....don't know if this was reported before : the line above the name box is yellow on the white back and a thinner blue on the gray back...see it ?

Hey Mike,
Check out this thread I started a while back…
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=185244

1956
 

Dick Gilkeson noted the line differences on the Williams card and several other cards in the 56 set in his variations publication some time back, 85 to 95 . And with ebay, the number of known cards with these lines has proliferated. I wonder if you looked long enough whether you could find them on all cards in the set.

I have a couple of examples in my set but Darren's prior thread convinced me it would drive me crazy trying to run down all the possible differences on just the Williams, let alone all the other cards in the set ;)

Here are other 56 odditiies

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img385.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1698c868.jpg

I'd think most of the 56s would have the line differences. The Wiliams was in Nozakis book, along with maybe one or two others.

One of the good things about Ebay is that to some degree it lets us look at far more cards than we could have in the early 80's. A big collection might have a lot of cards, but hardly anyone went through them looking for little differences. And after a point dealer didn't keep them in stock by the boxful.

Steve B

54 Mays
 

with or without white "arm band". The white band is the scarcer of the two, but is not hard to find


http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psa13ee72c.jpg

How did I miss this one on eBay? Did anyone here win it? It's the first 1974 that I have seen with this printing flaw, similar to the 1990 Topps Frank Thomas No Name.

I saw this card posted in another forum....has anyone ever seen a 69 Topps card like this with a grey back? Any ideas on how this card ended up with a grey back?

64 Mathews
 

I have seen 2 other Mathews cards with this defect

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1414941965

It's funny, I have started to go through my Dodgers (mostly post 1980) and I have been looking for these odd print dots and such. Unless you have a decent quantity to compare, it's hard to see the differences.

I remember a time when the funny cuts, blurry photos and other printing flaws were flat out garbage!

I also remember getting cards in the late 70s with little bits of what looked like rubber band pieces under the card surface. They would create a small bulge. I dug one out one time and found a small bit of this rubber band like material.

Interesting how eventually everything becomes collectible to someone.

That's great, Cliff! Probably means there's a couple different cards from the same sheet with that same characteristic.

Enjoyed reading this thread .
Here's one I pulled .....
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/y...psa3a92469.jpg
Ken

Variation with print defects too
 

1972
 

Some other 72s. I have dozens of print defects like these with my set.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1415563282

Black star, found in my dads set he built as a kid.

http://i.imgur.com/mSlIUJh.jpg

Campos
 

So many fake father/grandfather finds on eBay, great to see a real deal, Chris,

Thanks Al,

When my father decided to sell the set to help fund building his retirement cottage this card was a welcoming find. It now belongs to a great board member. I kept about half of the commons and his pack pulled Mantle.

Have not seen this print variation previously mentioned. Found this 66 Topps #51 Richardson card with a print line on the back....only 2 of the 20 or so copies on COMC have this line. It appears this line continues onto the card located above it on the sheet, which on the one uncut 66 sheet I located, is the #32 Phillips card. None of the Phillips cards I either have in my collection or have viewed show a continuation of this print line...does anyone out there have a Phillips card with this line??

line on back
 

Sammy,
I found one of those Richardson cards on COMC and also a similar card for Phillips on ebay.
Richard D

Richard, is the item number for the Phillips you found on ebay #281489727725? Glad to see your web page with the variations is already updated( I had checked there before posting).

Found one.

Nice find Cliff....how many copies did you go through to find the one?

Based on going through my own cards, COMC, and ebay listings showing backs, IMO, examples of these two cards with the print line on the back appear on approximately 1 of every 10-12 copies of each of these cards.

That's right. It takes some patience to go through the listings one-by-one to see which ones put pictures of the back in the listing, but I was able to find one fairly quickly.

Wish they would make it more obvious how many photos are in a listing without having to open it up...

It was the only one I found of all for sale yesterday.

Thanks for pointing out this oddity, I updated my webpage listings right away!
Richard

I had to go to everyones favorite seller's site, Dean's Cards, to find a couple of copies of them. It looks like there are two different versions, here's one where the line stops before it reachs the edge.

Uh-oh.

Nice find on the second version Cliff.....hopefully you bought before the prices get raised. I will have to remember Dean's site when looking for these print variants(as there are backs shown)....after looking through that site, the examples with line on across both cards might be 1 in 20 copies, while the Phillips with the partial line must be even tougher.

Variants or deviants
 

You guys are all crazy ;)

Got these 6 in the mail today.:D

Alou
 

Hi Ben,
What's the variation on the 1961 Alou?
Richard
brightair

No print error, it is cut way off center.

Here is an out of register card from my collection:

Here are some 1951 Bowman overprints

A couple of '56 overprints...

Nice cards Tom and welcome to the forum.

Thanks, I have so much to share!

not pre 1980s but i forgot i had this, was going through some of my older cardinals cards


looks like the red was just ran over the entire card

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/...ps44838b92.jpg

Hope you guys like this oneAttachment 168407

1952 Oddity
 

I do like it. Can you tell if the Woodling has the lower border break, which would make it a print defect within a print defect :)

Looks like ole Donnie and his ears met a couple of heavily lipsticked ladies the night before.

The 1980 Topps Greg Pryor "no name" now has a cohort, 1980 Topps Doug Bair. I tried to show a 1980 Topps uncut A* sheet with Greg Pryor and Doug Bair on the top row, but I am unable to download it here. The Pryor is the first card on the top row, the Bair is the sixth card. My theory is that like the other 1980 Topps sheets that had the top row missing red ink and leaving names in yellow, this sheet ran out of blue ink but left almost no name rather than just a yellow name. Mike LaCoss is the eighth card on the row, so there should be a nameless 1980 Topps Mike LaCoss out there somewhere.

Cliff, does the Fred Stanley card appear on the same row as the Bair and Pryor?


Also, in an attempt to keep Richard busy (updating his variation list), I found this 58 Topps 278 Burk card with not just one, but two different print variations. I have not found a single card with both variations though.

The two cards pictured on the left (courtesy of DC), show a red print spot on the lower edge of the card's image. With a quick glance, I found only 3 copies with this red print spot between COMC, DC, & ebay. The second variation on this card is the red factory mark on the left edge....it is much more plentiful than the red print spot.

Different sheets, the Pryor and the Bair are on the top row of the A* sheet, the Stanley and the Wathan are on the top row of the E* sheet, the Poquette, Braun, and Washington are on the top row of the F* sheet.

58 & 80
 

Saved---nice find on the Burk.

Cliff--interesting on the Bair. The Pryor can also be found with white of yellow position

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...variations.jpg

Thank you Cliff and Al...

Here is another print variation I found buried in my collection today(it has been previously documented as lipstick on the shoulder), but I had never seen it before. I guess Gil and Mossi have similiar tastes in women??

Couldn't pass up a very reasonable Buy-It-Now 1981 Topps Art Howe infamous "witch's hat" printing flaw card on eBay.

Howe
 

Very cool, Cliff

A certain whale here has been holding out on us of the existence of this variation. Not that I would ever do that, though :D.

Mathews
 

I posted this one on page 11 :)

...
 

Saved - thanks for the Burks.
Al - I think I forgot to update the '64 Mathews on my list, so I will do it today along with the Burks.
Richard

Your welcome Richard...I noticed your list was missing this specific variation on the 63 Topps 102 White on Red Checklist. There is a print defect/variation on the front...the # "112" on the front of the two copies I located is partially obscured. I looked through a good number of copies between ebay/DCs and these were the only two I found.

The #112 is obscured on this one, too :D. Edited to add this is recurring. I have two and have seen another.

Nice Cliff....."obscured" is a kind descriptor in your example's case.

1963 checklist
 

Good find, Saved. I have it updated.
Most ones I can see have the small white blob after Cisco.
I also found another with the small white blob after Cisco but with 112 completely intact.
There seem to be some with the white in the check squares somewhat misaligned, but I saw none that struck me as significant enough to note.
Probably people will find more.
Richard
Happy holiday!

This is a current card on ebay...a little to pricey for me to add to my print variation collection but perhaps one that someone here would like to add. It appears that the overprint is of the same card. I haven't contacted the seller to ask any more about it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Topps-2...item3f41c749c0

It is a wet sheet transfer and I think it is a bit overpriced also.

Saw this first card end yesterday on ebay ....but could not find another example of this print defect anywhere. That is until today....already had a copy in a stack of some of my doubles. Had never seen this print variation before these two copies.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Topps-R...p2047675.l2557

Next card in my stack of 61 Topps doubles was the 381 Wickersham card with a border break(similiar to the 73s) along the top border. Found another copy on ebay....http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Topps-B...item2a28d6f0d0

B in Bunning
 

Noticed this 67 Roznovsky card today in some of my dupes....not sure if this is the same print variation noted on Richard's list or not. Anyone else have a similar copy of this card??