Let's get back to Jose...

Sorry, guys... wasn't in the best mood last night. ;)


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This pretty much sums up my feelings.

I know I for one work for free, I can't imagine it to be unreasonable to expect PP to do the same, right?

I'm pretty sure they are doing just fine :)


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I'm sure they are but that's not the point. :)

Cardcollectorguru on our board....
 

Oh, I get the point. If anyone uses the FF option, the protection isn't there...most people understand that and pick that option regardless. If anyone wants to use it, I have no problem with it and if Paypal had a big issue with it, they could probably do something about it.


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I think it used to be referred to as the honor system.

Obviously the way it is set up leaves a lot of leeway, and it should come as no surprise that a lot of people will choose the option that gets them something for nothing. I get that too.

If I ever sold bigger items or purchased bigger items, I would have to think about using FF or not. I can see where you are coming from, Jeff, but it's an option and they allow it to be used. My big issue with it is that the protection isn't there. But yeah, honor system...sounds good :) roll with what you believe in


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It's amazing how many people are "Friends and Family" with folks they couldn't pick out of a crowd of one. That's the internet age for ya, really has made the world a smaller place. ;)

Jeff, I hear ya and agree with you about the honor system, and while I will admit to having been "dishonorable" a few times, I generally add the paypal charges out my pocket when told I can pay by using "family & friends". I have never asked someone to pay me by "paypal gift" or its newer equivalent.

This construct that paypal differentiates true business transactions by the relationship of the participants is, um, artful. ;) Truth is they are offering a service whereby expect a little % for such transactions, whereas if you are truly acting as a conduit for the transfer of funds--maybe even loans, there is no charge. Look at their fee explanation-- it tells you that buyers do not pay, sellers do, and transfers of money are usually without charge when made to friends and family. Note that it makes no friend/family distinction when discussing what happens when you are "selling something". You pay and you get the protection. I always thought that the intent and language was fairly straightforward, but I guess others have a different interpretation.

Todd,

I agree. If a seller is selling something and I want it enough, I will pick up the fees if they ask for "FF/Gift." IMO, truth be told not only is the seller skirting the T&C but they are asking the buyer to as well. They want instant access to the funds from a confirmed source for free - sure beats waiting for a check, then waiting for it to clear, etc (that's the service part you are paying for). I think that if a seller doesn't want to pay the fees the right thing to do is to offer other payment methods.

I pay paypal quite a bit in fees. Sometimes I ask for FF, if it is a friend or family.....even if for a service or item. All things totaled I am sure ebay would rather me use their service. I requested almost $500 from someone this evening and will be eating the fees...and it's for a service with no protections needed. I could have just as easily asked for a check as I don't need the money now.
If I request a FF then I always give another option to the other party. Am I skirting their rules, probably. But do I feel I also pay them back, yes. Probably not perfect and in some members eyes unconscionable, but to me it's not that bad. They make a lot of profit off of me and I do it on purpose to help (me) justify the times I use FF......but again, to each their own.

If I request a FF then I always give another option to the other party.

That's key distinction btw insisting on PP and making the buyer pick up your cost of doing business in vio of the T&C. All IMO of course.

Jeff,

I agree with you 100%, and have offered to pick up the (roughly 3%) fees when there is no other payment option listed. I also agree that PayPal (yes, eBay) offers services rendered for fees paid service.

If sending payment through this service...if you get screwed...I ask this:

Did you really send the money to a "friend" or a member of your "family?"

Probably not.

I could just not take PayPal at all and then paypal would get 0. Instead they get quite a bit or money from me. That isn't in their T&C. And no, it's probably not perfect but I also understand they have essentially no risk whatsoever when I accept FF......

Update:
Hello all,

I finally was able to get Jose to mail out my items and he provided me with tracking. The only problem now is that the item shows delivered to my town, but not to my home. I was expecting 2 packages today and one was delivered with my normal mail at 1:30pm, but the package from Jose shows it was scanned as "delivered" at 9:30am....

I am beginning to think I am going crazy. I called the post office and alerted them to the issue, gave them the tracking #, and was told the driver would check his route and return a call to me tomorrow.

I assume someone at the post office scanned it in and took the items, but who knows. This is the first issue I have had with this particular post office, after having 100's of items delivered.

I confirmed the address was correct and Jose said it was, but who knows.

My two questions:
1.) It was shipped "First Class" and I don't believe that includes insurance, so is there anything I can do? Especially with the discrepancy in the delivery times?

2.) By me giving them the tracking #, Are they able to see what address the package was designated to? Let's say it was sent to "907 Street Address" instead of "970 Street Address" ?

Nope you are screwed.

Thanks Jason. Do I owe you anything for that?

I had this same issue. I think the cards were delivered to the wrong house because someone put the package on my porch later that night.


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There have been several threads recently about the 'scan showing delivered' issue. If I recall correctly, part of the problem is that the delivery person is not supposed to scan the item until it is ACTUALLY delivered.

However, many delivery people are scanning the items when they start their route in the morning...the theory being that, "it WILL BE delivered..."

I should know better, and I apologize, but there is a member here who works for USPS and has been great about offering insight into this issue...

This is being discussed in 2 other threads and Andrew is right per our local n54 PO member. I don't think it shows where the package actually went as it was scanned inappropriately to beging with. What time was the package scanned at? How about the package you actually got? It show delivery at 130, but if its a different time you know they were scanned early...but I do think you are SOL unless someone brings you your package.

Both packages were scanned in as received at 8:35am....The package missing was marked delivered at around 9:45am...the package that was delivered successfully was at 1:35pm

Maybe they have a record of where it was scanned at 9:45, that's a chunk of time in between the 2 deliveries at 1:35.

After over 2 years, I finally got the last of my refund from Jose Tijero. It took a ton of emails and a ton of threats to report him to his city's property recovery at his local police department. Really, it wasnt so much a threat but something I was prepared to do.

I imagine he finally refunded me (slowly, worse than pulling teeth) because he didnt want to be embarrassed to other local law enforcement, many he probably knew. Plus it would have looked terrible for him professionally.

In the end, I got back what was mine. I'm happy about that but I surely would never do business with him ever again.

I'm sorry for those who wrote off what they lost.

Thanks for the update, Barry!

Still can't believe this guy has a job in law enforcement; seems very hypocritical!

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I sent an email to his supervisor at his department and got blown off. Please forward me the info you sent so I can make his life miserable for the money he stole from me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jason

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