Actually, what I did not state is that while he was not able to pay for what he purchased from me, I checked his purchases and he was able to purchase and pay others. Maybe his vet was selling cards.

Cards or the Pet
 

Marty...if it came down to you or the Dog....that's one tough choice.

I'm guessing its a cat.

WOW, can't believe this thread warrants 83 (now 84) replies. It seems like more and more these days, board members are much more interested in participating in controversy-type threads as opposed to educational ones.

educational content is thin in the vintage card world!!!

But most of us vintage collectors are not.

He did that to my friend. He paid for at least two items he won subsequent to the auction he reneged on, or at least he has feedback for them.

I purchased multiple items had to cancel some and paid for the others (used the rest for the vet bill)...simple as that...but from now on I can see the frustration it can cause so I will TRY SO very hard to prevent this for reoccurring. I apologize to those that I affected and promise to minimize this in the future.

Post # 12

When I 1st started to collect baseball cards a few months ago I was very confused at what I was going to collect....now I know what my focuses are I will have a much better time knowing what I am doing and not doing.

I want to build the 52 Topps set (since I have the Mantle this makes it that much easier) so far I have 13 cards and 4 of those are nice looking high numbers and the other 9 are also nice looking for the grade (s);

I want to collect T206 cards (HOF players mostly and error cards)

and

I want to put together the most Mantle cards I can in PSA 8.

Post # 13

To date, how many cards have you purchased but canceled?

Peter_Spaeth

Sorry I do not keep tabs....BUT what I do know is in the future from now on I will prevent this from occurring.

Post # 14

Pathetic.

So now that you're focused there will be no more coin deals falling through, late paychecks, government delay, sick pets or family issues? How are these related? Seems to me you're verifying that these earlier explanations were just BS.

Why don't you simply honor the first post in this thread and please, just go away.

Adrian I feel I have always been decent with you. My advice is that you can not mend broken trust in a day. Do the right thing day after day and after awhile people will come around. Also, do not name call others who point out your mistakes, they are your mistakes own them. As an auctioneer I can tell you non-paying bidders cause huge problems. The consignor sees that the items sold for XXX and they want their money understandably. Now because someone who over extended their finances cannot pay, I have to apologize to the consignor and hope they accept it and do not sue me in court. You might be thinking that these were Ebay purchases, but trust me there is a lot of consignment on Ebay. You really do not know everyone you are hurting when you do this. Take for example a 1952T Mantle PSA graded like yours, it gets sold bidder backs out. The seller trying to sell this has to explain why this item is being resold and many bidders will not trust him no matter what he says. The backup bidder might feel shilled and he is out. People may wonder if the item is fake or the previous buyer returned it and was unhappy with it. I can tell you from experience I hate reselling items from unpaid bidders they almost never do as well. I still am not hating on you Adrian, but thought maybe I could give you some perspectives you may not have realized.

nolemmings

None of what I said is BS you are taking it the wrong way. One aspect I can prevent is that I know what I want to collect I NEVER said I can prevent every single thing that goes on in the universe.

Post # 14

Too many to keep track of eh?

Peter_Spaeth

I do not know what else I can say....you can do some research and come up with the exact number if you like. To you everything I say is a lie so even if I said a specific number you would not believe it and try to turn it into what pleases you!!! I know you have never liked me so no matter what I say you will always feel that way and I accept that!!! I told Leon I would stick with 15 posts a day and I have OK once I had 16 in a day....the same with this I will do what I said.


Wymers Auction

I agree 100% with you like I said here twice lesson learned the hard way and I will prevent what I can prevent in the future.

Last post for today.

James is spot on...there are upstanding members of this community with suspect beginnings...it is possible to mend your tarnished reputation...over time...and being reputable. Nighty night.

+1

Not so easy for a narcissist to do that, Todd.

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You went over your limit of posts today too. You had two post #14s!

He is still watching, but he is handcuffed.

Adrian - I have no judgment for you, I don't know you except for the saga you have revealed on this forum, but I would echo advice that others have given here.

Take a break. Give yourself a week with out looking at the forum, and lay of the energy drinks.

I have tried to enjoy the craziness of the Zone threads, tried joking with him and support him because there can be a lot of "real housewives of net54" drama and cowards hiding behind their computer that have a better than thou attitude. But it's apparent there are real concerns with his involvement in the community and others financial livelihood.

From this moment forward - I am never going to respond to a Zone thread again due to the fact that he claims to have "mental illnesses" and I'm not going to mess with that. We don't know how fragile he might be.

I think I'll limit my posts to no more than a few per week too and only if I have something worth listening to. Good luck Adrian.

Last post for the day

. I have not followed this saga in other posts but really don't understand. What do you mean,.."I purchased multiple items and had to cancel some...". Why is that statement not infuriating people, had to cancel some? That's ridiculous. You bid for something and win, you pay for it. On several occasions I have bid erroneously for something and felt it was my obligation to pay for it, if I made the mistake then I take responsibility for it and do what's right.

Yup. I must have purchased 5000 items on ebay. A few were totally stupid (probably too many beers) and I regretted them, but I paid (and I sure am not wealthy). Don't know how it is in Canada, but where I grew up I was taught my word was written in stone. I have seen a neat card come up a million times that I wanted, but all I had to do was look at the bank account and see I had to pass.

+1

Funny, that's what I was taught also, despite living up here in Canada.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction!

misfire

I was taught the same growing up in Wisconsin, despite it's close proximity to Canada. :D

LOL.

You turned out well, despite the bad influence from the North. :rolleyes:

It's past midnight in Quebec... a new day

15 posts to go... wait for it... :)

Damn. I have a busy day tomorrow. I'll have to catch up on Zone's farewell tour tomorrow night. Something to look forward to.

wow is this still happening?:confused:

Can you imagine...
 

if Zone collected autographs??? Think about how those threads would look...boom...your mind has been blown!!!

# 105
 

Well said

I can't believe this thread is still going on with 116 replies, excuse me, 117.....

This is awfully good advice.

Maybe there should be a show...I mean recurring thread called "keeping up with the kardashia...er I mean Zoner!"

He continues to buy, despite not paying for recent purchases. Small buys so far, but still, if he had reneged on me claiming he had no money I would be livid.

Peter_Spaeth

I had a few bucks left hence the minimal purchases (very cheap cards came up to 100$ for 2 cards including shipping)...God you are a royal pain...almost like a nagging wife!!! I told your friend the truth when I cancelled my almost 500$ purchase from him.

Why don't you do some collecting instead of having OCD on my case....or find a women to keep you busy....more fun than watching what another man is collecting I would think!!! I am here to collect not to nag all day like you seem to do!!!

Post # 5

I think hypocracy just strikes a nerve in some(most) people.

Remember the train wreck in "The Fugitive"?

Joey Farino
 

Is this guy Joey Farino's twin?

Peter_Spaeth

Do you have a card for sale I will buy it......hahahahahaha had to say it!!!!!:D

I never see you talk about cards ONLY nag and waste time in the forum (s).

Post # 6

We'll see how soon you spend the $500 you owed him but claimed you couldn't pay. Nobody is buying your BS here.

Peter_Spaeth

My BS hahahaha you are a real joke!!!! As I can see a real frustrated ''man''...:D

Ah well POOR you back to talking cards while you get a hearth attack wasting your time on another man's hobbies....truly very sad to have such a frustrated attitude.

Post # 7

I prefer to think of it as educating the community as to people they may wish to avoid.

Peter_Spaeth

Almost every day someone offers me something for sale here...hence no almost cares about the garbage you put here. You are wasting your time.

Post # 8

As Hemingway wrote, Isn't it pretty to think so? Maybe we should take a poll of how many people have blocked you so far, or won't deal with you. What's your over under?

Peter_Spaeth

Sure go for it (Maybe you can bore your wife by telling what you special project is). People here know I pay for my items 99% of the time like anyone else here. The 1% is when things do not work out for various reasons....like Leon said we have all been that road many times.

Post # 9

Not according to the messages I have received from people. And by your own admission you don't even know how many purchases you have cancelled. But if your narrative pleases you, "go for it." Do watch your post count though.

:)

Peter_Spaeth

You have NOT stopped me from buying 1 single card I have wanted to buy.....money talks no one cares in the end about your little solitary mission....what matters is M.O.N.E.Y!!!

Post # 10

Adrian, that's probably because they think you'll overpay and net them a huge profit.

4815162342

Most likely but I say most are very fair in their prices...and those who try to sell super high are very few here why because most are actually nice people.

Post # 10

That's the attitude!!
:D

Peter_Spaeth

Not the attitude.....the truth people are out to make money so no one cares about your little frustrations here almost. You have no comeback because that is the truth. If I decided to spend 10 000$ in a few months people will jump on the occasion to sell me a card....just a fact of life.

Post # 11

Why did you renege and then go buy more cards right away? To me that is disgraceful. If you spent $200 but reneged on $500, maybe you should have put the $200 towards the purchase you promised to make for $500 and try to work the rest out with the seller? Your responses are making me like you less and less. It is a BIG deal to renege and you treat it like it's not a big deal. I am here to tell you it IS a big deal. And count me as one of the ones that appreciates other hobbyists watching out for people that renege, or say one thing but do another. I think you really need to change your attitude Adrian.

Sean1125

It will all be OK....I have finished with him and will be talking cards now.

Post # 12

Leon

Truth be told this guy has hated from day one I took it with a smile for months now but I have had enough of him...I think I have the right to state that. His friend told me not to worry no big deal....he is the one making this a HUGE deal....the seller was cool as can be.

Post # 12

Leon, we can certainly hope he changes, but do you see any evidence of it? I thought we had a little bit of contrition yesterday, but it obviously was not genuine. It's back to FU I have money.

Is the same amount of truth in this post as the quitting post? I have nothing to pick here but if you are going to say something please mean it.

Actually, I care. The truth is you are backing out of deals and it's going to sink you in the hobby. And you might buy a card for 10,000 in a few months, and no one can stop someone else, if they do sell it to you. But I will tell you one thing, if you keep this attitude you won't be on this forum. That much I can handle. I suggest you think about what has been going on. Anything other than you saying you are completely wrong is not going to bode well for you. Because you are completely wrong in your attitude. I can forgive a mistake or two when someone apologizes, makes it right and says they messed up and won't do it again. That is not what I am hearing from you though. It is YOUR fault and YOUR fault alone.

Leon

This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did.

Post # 13

Who cares what he or anyone else says to you, what matters is YOUR actions and YOUR decisions. Not what someone else says, though it may be correct or not.

And you don't necessarily have a right, it's a BINDING CONTRACT you agree to in making these purchases done via eBay or auction houses.

Give a man enough rope, he will hang himself. :D:D

I doubt very much any dealer would be fine with it. They might tolerate it but are not fine with it. Your rhetoric is wearing thin. Pay for what you buy/win period no excuses.

HOF Auto Rookies

Please tell who decides what is right or wrong in life...here the buyer and seller and this is the only time this turned into a small mess.

Usually I end up buying much more down the road from that same seller and he is happy and I am happy in the end. He may lose 500$ today but make 1000$'s down the road.

We do not all have to have the same view of what is right and wrong in life that is what is called freedom of thinking!!!

Post # 14

I would bet you more than you can afford that the person you reneged on for $500 will never deal with you again.

Peter_Spaeth

And I respect his choice and understand his frustration!!!

His lose because I know I pay for my stuff 99% of the time. Like I said 1% goes wrong as it did in this specific case. That is what happens some times like in any other field in life.Never lost track of how many cards I ended not buying just know almost all my deals get done without any problems.

HOF Auto Rookies

''May God have mercy on my soul'' hahahahahaha come on I made a bad deal for a baseball card I think God can get over it!!!! God gave us ALL the freedom of choice I decided that this was not wrong the seller did there you go...freedom is great is it not!!!

Ohhh God please forgive me I have sinned I did not close a deal for a baseball card please forgive me.....lolllllllll I believe God has way more on his plate than a bad card deal!!! Oh God I have eaten from the forbidden tree what shale I do to redeem myself...I know pay for my cards like I do 99% of the time!!!

Last post for today

Your reply does not relate to my post in even the slightest amount...

This best explains it:

Mr. Adrian, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Thank god. Enough already

If you have lost track of how many cards you haven't paid for, you aren't anywhere close to 99 percent, mon ami.

Guys there is only one way to resolve this in my book don't respond anymore to any of these ridiculous posts. Let him talk to himself because he is making fools of all of us.

A fool is someone who continues to do the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. We continually try and talk sense and receive nonsense back. Not worth wasting the time anymore.

+1

You are my boy, Blue!

What a change from yesterday's "hat in hand" postings. What do you want to bet he comes back tomorrow and apologizes for today's ramblings while blaming it on something other than his own audacity?

Hopefully we are experiencing Zone's last days on the boards.

Reminds me of the great Obi-Wan Kenobi quote:

"Who's the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

"We do not all have to have the same view of what is right and wrong in life that is what is called freedom of thinking!!!"

Up untill I saw this statement I really didnt care much either way, but really..

Right and wrong isnt a opinion. Some things are inherently right and some things are inherently wrong. With out question. Taking it off the "BIG" level and on to our board.... Making an agreement, a verbal contract, a written contract (if it was in an email) and not sticking to that agreement, even if it had to be amended in some way to give more time to pay, or whatever the buyer and seller agreed to.

Its a moral issue basicly. Which does have impact on whoever was the wrongdoer.

I hate when a buyer on ebay dosnt pay, just wastes everyones time. Why bother bidding or making the offer.

Please dont confuse FREEDOM with something else.