I'm finding these threads exhausting. I need a drink and I don't mean coffee! :eek:

Agreed...i wish i didnt have to work soon or id trade my starbucks for jim beam!

auggiedoggy

Get a cold one this is not over!!!

By the way Leon and I spoke the other day he knows all will be OK and has verified my background.

For your sake I hope so.

seeing how you buy cards, i hope your 500k coin collection wasn't from a million dollar insurance policy? ha just messing with ya:D

good luck with the cards, enjoy the turbulence.

chaddurbin

Hahaha not that much but a good one and I have a good career as well. And always pay my bills and taxes before buying any collectible.

auggiedoggy

In a few days ask The_Coop if he was paid and he will say yes. That is for the T206 Ray Demmitt variation card SGC 30 (2).

I just added a shot to mine...

Also, what sane dealer would proceed with a transaction with no money changing hands!! Adrain, you claimed to have purchased these cards, but yet you still haven't paid a penny to any dealers?? In prior posts you have also claimed to have the cards in hand (52 Mantle), and now you say that the transaction for the coin still has not taken place?! If I was a dealer I would cancel all sales made by you.

joetinkerfan

Like I said the dealers concerned have no concerns...they all are OK!!! As they should be!!!

If I had purchased a T206 Wagner then yes I would be concerned as well but that is not the case.....chances are if I had picked up a T206 Wagner I could not pay for it...but not these cards.

And as far as I know I have not made such a purchase....yet....hahaha just pulling you guys tail!!!

I am not new to the hobby, and have seen many a collector get in,spend, and on to the next thing all the time. There are different types of collectors, some are in it for the wrong reasons.

oldcardboard

I have been collecting coins, cards and comic books since 1989 and have yet to give up on collecting. I have obsessive compulsive disorder and collecting has always help me dealing with that condition.

I doubt the dealers he bought from are shipping without being paid first. Adrian explained why he said he had a card when he didn't. That explanation was sound, to me. (I wouldn't have done it but it still made sense) Most of us have sold and waited a bit to be paid. This is no different. Now, I don't personally think it's real wise to make a ton of deals waiting for money to come in, but can't say I haven't done it on a smaller scale before.


Guys, this show won't go on too long. Whatever decision is made will make people unhappy. If it gets to the point I have to get involved (again) then I will. I just don't like to.

Leon

Sorry Leon...I was just simply trying to protect my reputation here. I know the dealers will be paid....not the 1st time I buy something a week or 2 before I pay for it and most likely will not be my last.

You can initiate conversations about particular cards in a much more subtle manor, and you'll receive a ton of valuable feedback, opinions and information about the cards from the educated members on the board here, as opposed to these almost polarizing threads you start where instead of genuine discussion about the card(s) the thread is wasted with you having to defend your actions.

The title of this thread is interesting and would garner a lot of attention and as a result stimulate a lot of healthy discussion from the members here about the Murr'y variation, T206s and other freaks and variations where you could learn a lot! But many, when they read the content of your post are put off by it and the thread quickly degrades into what you see here.

markf31

I understand I try to keep it normal but people want to know where my funds come from and so on then that causes trouble.

It's interesting to me that after this, Adrian doesn't actually own any cards yet. I'm sure the dealers don't mind "holding" inventory that will otherwise just sit there, but what if he starts throwing bids in REA? Not cool imo.

Matthew H

Good God I will not be doing that!!! You are over thinking this way to much. If I chose to bid on that specific auction I will make 100000% sure the funds are in my bank before hand....I know auctions are not the same and dealers on Ebay with their rules.....dear Lord!!!

When I purchased my cards I had told ALL the dealers about my coin sale before buying the cards....out of pure respect to them!!! And ALL where OK with it after talking to me over the phone or via web.

I even offered references to ALL of them but they all refused that option.

It doesn't seem like you're trying to keep these threads normal, because you keep doing the same thing over and over again. My point was, you can easily avoid all of the "trouble" and keep it "normal" if you wanted to. Bring the subject and card up for discussion, ask for other's opinions on it, that's all good! The moment you mention that you just bought it, or how much you paid for it, or how much it is worth, or how much a prior one sold for... you open yourself up to criticism and the thread becomes worthless quite honestly.

Agreed. Some of the dealers he mentions do have a lot of expensive inventory that I've seen sitting on eBay for months on end if not longer. In these cases it would not be a big deal holding items that haven't sold and may not sell for quite some time. I can think of no other case where a seller would put items on hold based on a promise from a buyer.

markf31

I agree with what you said and will try hard to respect that as of now.

When did you start collecting these?

Not making fun of you, but I have been sometimes smiling, sometimes laughing throughout my read of this thread, but the very first sentence is still the best.

As I got closer to the end I began feeling guilty about how much you've entertained me this morning, because there is such a potential for disaster here. I sincerely hope that you were somehow born with a great feel for vintage card purchasing - I'm sure it's possible, but that's a skill that took most of us a lot longer to gain.

In addition, I am having a vision of you showing up here one morning screaming through your keyboard, begging for answers, as opposed to simply telling us which baffling card you just dropped thousands of $'s on.

Good luck with this buying frenzy - I really mean that.

auggiedoggy

Again you are wrong...the 52 Topps Mantle had been on Ebay only for about 1 hour same as the 1887 Old Judge card and 99% of them except for the E90-1 Caramel Mike Mitchell all where almost new to Ebay.

Runscott

I started collecting variations about a month go...yes I know a rookie...but I seem to enjoy it very much so I am continuing to do so....we all start somewhere and for me this was it.

The buying is over except for 2 cards the O'hara T206 variation and the Magie error T206 card....after those 2 it may be months and months before I make another purchase.

Did you switch back to the Mantle from the Dunlop?

4815162342

Yes I did!!! Why? After reading here that the Dunlop was a rare card it got me wanting it over the Mantle simply because I prefer rarer cards over simply popular ones. I also read a couple of hours on the Dunlop on the net.

Reread your whole comment and do agree...

I think the threads are very worthwhile to read. Really shows who among us have negative/positive outlooks. Shows a lot about folks' personalities. Lay off of Adrian, he's having fun and learning. I'm sure many of us have gone on buying binges before, especially early on when the fever is at its highest. He will either burn out or become a valued member of the collecting community, let him find his way.
Just my 2 cents.

Ease

My goal would be to be a valued member here one day down the road. Thanks for the nice comment!!!:)

Eric- I appreciate your comments. I hope everyone will reflect on them and understand the difficulty with my getting involved.

And if for any reason one card was cancelled I always paid the fees if any occurred!!!

Ask Brian at B&W sports cards I cancelled the E90-1 Caramel Mike Mitchel and was asked to pay 90$ I did so in less than 24 hours. I would not do otherwise...because I am honest and appreciate dealers who help me out.

You don't have to start a thread every time you make a purchase. As directed before there is a pickup thread you can use.

bn2cardz

Noted!!!

No, I am not wrong. The sellers you mention have items that have been unsold for months if not years in some cases. One has a hockey card that I was interested in back in 2012. The card is still there today. So what if the cards you "bought" were only just newly added. The hockey card I mentioned was also newly added at one time. I'm thinking OCD and collecting may not be the greatest combination. You are an impulse buyer. The fact that you couldn't wait for the coin deal to be finalized before going on a shopping frenzy illustrates this. Oh and by "finalized" I mean you actually have cash in hand. At the pace you're going you'll go through that $200K in no time! If that's ok with you then fill yer boots!

By the way I have had multiple offers for cards here in private and refused 99% of them....why because I was honest saying they where not what I was looking for or the price was to high. If I was one to waste peoples time I would have told them all that I wanted their cards and to list them on Ebay and then not pay....but that is NOT the case.

auggiedoggy

I have to say you are way to involved with your emotions with my purchases and paying methods.....these sales do not concern you in the least bit!!! I simply wanted to talk about cards not all the other crap!!!

I know my own personality and know what I can and can't afford....and always have food on my table and ALL my other monthly bills paid....oh yes and that my pet gets A1 treatment.

I make enough money not to worry about every little thing as you seem to do...you need to try YOGA!!!

Adrian,

What exactly do you think your reputation is? It might be something you want to consider.

margoaepi

My reputation is when I buy something I pay for it and that does not mean I always use the NORM when it comes to payment methods. I do not play games with dealers and yes some times I do change my mind for another card a dealer has that I did not know about before making my 1st purchase.

Yes, big mistake on my part. Your threads are never-ending and exhausting and always seem to take the same downward spiral.

So, ... amuse-toi bien et bonne chance!

You miss my point entirely. Best of luck with the hole you are digging.

margoaepi

Some people actually like talking cards with me and a few don't that is always to be expected when dealing with human behavior. People ask for the truth then you tell them...then they feel they have the right to judge you....but hey humans have always been like (Always so quick to point the finger at someone else) that and this will not change. People ask have you paid for your cards yet....I say NO then all hell breaks lose that again is to be expected.

I get a lot of private messages with positive feedback every day so I know I do some good here!!!

you cancelled the e90-1 mitchell? after all that?

ullmandds

Yes spoke to Brian (B&W sports cards) yesterday he was OK with it I told him I felt like I paid to much (2500$) but would be a buyer at 1500$-1750$ and that was that. I paid him his 90$ fees he owed Ebay and we are still on good terms. He knows I am a rookie with vintage cards and I make mistakes....he does not blow it up for more that what it is worth. He is not one to make a scene!!!

Adrian...Not sure how many times you will post while I'm typing this but since you made this post last night at 9:30pm you have posted 55 times! As it has been stated already, this thread could have been a good learning lesson about the t206 Murray card, but instead it is a multiple page thread of you attempting to defend your actions. You have to understand, most of us partake in this forum to read or talk about baseball cards..the history, variations of backs, ect..We don't come on here to see how many cards you have bought and then be told how much you spent on the cards. You are also way too sensitive..Every time someone comments you then have to post a response. Please, take a break, come back in a month or so..teach yourself some more about the cards before you make big purchases.

joetinkerfan

If you ONLY knew how much I would ONLY like to talk about cards here and not all the other mess!!!

I have NO bad feelings towards anyone here!!!

Adrian HAS to be the fastest ever to 500 posts (he's only 5 away right now!)...

I wonder if there's a way to find that out :)

cubsfan-budman

Hahahaha never even looked at that.:D

You brought your purchases to our attention in a DISCUSSION FORUM. What you, Eric and a few others don't realize, is that we're going to react by discussing this in any manner that we feel is appropriate (subject to communication rules placed by Leon).

Deal with it or don't post. Seriously - it's offensive to me when someone tells me that I don't have the right to post my opinion in a discussion forum. Last time I looked - opinions were a major part of discussion forums.

And if you don't like my opinion (above), tell me I'm full of crap - that's your opinion and your right as well. If I wasn't ready for a negative response, I wouldn't have just posted.

Adrian,

I think it's great you're doing what you want and you've put together a nice collection already. I've collected for 30 years and still don't see it an investment but a fun hobby when you know the history of the players, mfr's and advertisers. You are crazy as hell and your threads drive me mad but I'm the type that prefers that to the mundane so "do what thou wilst".

I just hope for your sake that you're not selling these cards at a loss in the near future or messing with someone elses livelihood in your rapid fire purchasing. You can always buy more silver and less cardboard.



Have fun,

Eric "Sideshow" Sharp

Tao_Moko

Crazy as hell....hahahahaha just dropped my glass!!! No I will keep them if ever I get tired for a period of time I will just stop...I know the bug will come back and get me.

Runscott

Yes you do have that right but I also should have the right to make what is right...well right.

scan of coin
 

Zone - Can we get a scan of that coin? I want to see what the "Honus Wagner of Canadian Coins" looks like?

Man, what I wouldn't do for $200,000 in my paypal account right now!!!

On another note the baseball movie called *61 about Manlte and Roger Marris is one hell of a good movie....watched it last evening.

cardboardbliss

sure here you go....it was the picture used when I 1st purchased the coin:

http://www.canadiancoin.com/document...1_auction2.jpg

I got more than 200 000$ for it closer to 300 000$....otherwise it would be highway robbery and my friend is very fair. To be modest this is the best coin to own as far as Canadian coins go has always doubles in value over a 10 year period.

But much rather have my house paid off and no more crazy interest rates from my bank.

And for those following my post stats this is magic post # 500!!!

Leon- is this the record to 500 posts?

I like this tactic - a thread within a thread to avoid the '2 new threads' limit :)

I loved that movie - it wasn't overproduced like '42', and had a much tighter script. Also, the casting for Maris and Mantle was spot-on.

It's always interesting to read board member's opinions on their favorite baseball movies - all sorts of variation as to what characteristics of a movie people like. I thought 'Bull Durham' was approaching rubbish status, but some of my friends who I respect heavily feel that it's the greatest of all baseball movies.

Runscott

It was my 1st movie I watched about the Mick and truly a masterpiece!!!

I am looking forward to seen the movie 42 when it comes out for rent...I rather watch movies at my place than a theater.

Roger Maris is just to funny with the reporters in this movie....do you think you have a chance at Ruth's record...geez I don't know why not come ask me in a few months!!!

I really could care less what coins or baseball cards Adrian buys and sells, that's his business. What I don't like is that nearly every day he is the center of attention on at least one thread. As has been pointed out, he's posted 55 times here and has hit 500 posts in just a few weeks. I think it's time for a break.

He hasn't actually purchased any cards yet... So there's no nice collection to comment on yet.

He has already reneged on some deals due to feedback, from here, on his "purchases". I would lose my patience, as a dealer, pretty quickly... I've stopped commenting on how good/bad his decisions have been because of this. I'm not trying to bash Adrian's reputation, I just feel like there is a possibility that Adrian will never own any of these cards, he might get the cash in hand and decide on a completely different group of cards.

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Well, since this thread has gone all to hell anyway....Guys...SEE "The Kid From Cleveland" 1949 movie on Utube.....Tris Speaker, Satchell Paige, Feller, Lemon..on and on. Great Flick!! Lots of footage of 48 series. Dave:)

Matthew H

Correction I have cancelled the E90-1 Caramel Mike Mitchell after been told I paid double the price I would cancel anything in this world again and again if I found out I paid double the going price...that is not crazy that is just smart business.

And I do have in my hands 2 of my T206 cards the PSA 4 Mathewson dark cap and BVG 4 Walter Johnson. So yes I have some cards already in hand....and yes I actually paid for them....and yes they waited about a week to be paid as well. One of my cards is on my fireplace mantel oh and I forgot I have a few Old Judge cards that arrived late last week. So I guess we can start calling this a collection as they say!!!

Smart business would be doing the research before buying but who's counting?

bender07

Yes I know but when paying double and canceling that purchase I believe that to is smart business.

That's actually covering your a$$ after making a poor business decision but who's counting.

bender07

Yes it is....and I still call that a good business decision....simply after the fact!!!:D

Thanks to who...some of you guys here!!!

This guy might be willing to offer you a good price.

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/...psf765b9c9.jpg

Crap, I got sucked into the Adrian vortex! The pull is mighty! I'm out.

Eric72

Who is that guy? No I can't buy a T206 Wagner no matter how much I try to work it out on paper.

His moniker was "Flavious" , He was a big time jerk! Dave.

Cardboard Junkie


Ah good to know!!!

[QUOTE=Eric72;1122133]This guy might be willing to offer you a good price.


Where are the white borders on that Wagner? :confused:

Adrian, sorry it took me so long to post. I hope you enjoy your new card. :)
But I don't think that it is as rare as some folks say it is.

I joined this party late and I have been trying to catch up. Someone tell me if I have thew facts straight.

1. We have a newbie who has come into a pile of money.

2. Instead of taking some time to learn about fakes and reprints, he has jumped into the deep end of the pool and is buying cards for large sums of money.

3. He has convinced various dealers to accept his word as to forth-coming payment. They obliged and have removed the cards from their working inventories. (I will glady pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today:D)

4. He has, at this point in time, neither the cards nor the money.

5. He has already canceled at least two purchases. I wager he is on at least two sh*t lists.

6. Every card deal discussed includes a dollar amount. Am I the only one who cannot remember a price in the monthly pick-up thread?

7. He admits to having a compulsion disorder that he takes medication for.

8. He has acknowledged, but ignored, numerous bits of good advice from a forum full of some of the sharpest baseball card collectors on the planet.

9. He most likely has posted multiple times since I started typing this.

10. I have completely wasted my time typing this.

A man jumps off the roof of a ten story building. Through an open window on each passing floor he is heard to say, "So far, so good.". :D:eek::)

auggiedoggy

No thanks I would no be a buyer even if the guy was a good guy!!! Just to much for a card.

mike...very nice...you should work for cliff notes!!!!:)

deleted - Mike, above covered this topic (reneging on deals) better than I did - thanks :)

Sean

Thanks Sean!!!

Runscott

No it is not right...but also right at the same time (asked dealer if this is what they are going for and was told yes then came here and was told no multiple times)....you asked for a simple yes or no that does not work in this situation.

Okay, to put this in context, here's the original question that you are responding to, and yes, "a simple yes or no" works absolutely fine. Your deal was with the seller, not with the board, and I think it's also safe to assume that your deal was not contingent on verifying the price with a bunch of people on an internet discussion board. So I'll take "no" to be your response to my question. Thanks - "no" is the response that I believe everyone on this board (except Flavious) would hope you would give.

"So Adrian, just to make sure I'm understanding things correctly: If you and I agreed on a price for a card, you told me that you couldn't pay me for a week and I am agreeable to that, I forego any other possible deals on that card since I KNOW you are going to pay me, then you go on an internet forum to talk about your deal and decide that you've agreed to pay me too much....it's okay for you to back out of the deal, because it's a good business decision?

Just answer 'yes' or 'no' please. As a seller in the above example, that's all I really need to know."

Runscott

You can play the reverse psychology card game if you like....But my answer was NO....not YES!!!

I am old enough to answer by myself thank you very much!!! Maybe not sane enough do.....had to say it hahahaha!!!

Adrian, I got this one in 2005. It's an Old Mill back, and graded PSA 5.

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