I know where you can get a camera for less than $10K, but I can get you an even better deal on a scanner. Just PM me.;)

bender07

2500$ was a bad buy in your opinion? No no race just a few rarer cards I wanted to add to my set. I know it is considered the Honus Wagner of Caramel cards but do not know why?? Can you explain? I figured they must not come up for sale often so why not buy it.

frankbmd

Not that I can't afford one just never was one to take pictures I have like 5 pictures of myself in the last 10 years and 2 where for passports once every time they expired. I have no kids or wife so a camera was not in my things to buy.

I think Mark and others (including myself) are somewhat concerned about the prices that you are paying. Some of the sellers you are buying from including bmw have some of the most overpriced BINs on ebay. There are many collectors in the hobby who enthusiastically purchase cards at high prices when they first enter the hobby, but later become discouraged and unhappy when they are later unable to re-sell the cards for their purchase price when they need to unload them. The fear is that you are walking down the same path, which we hope doesn't happen.

glchen

Please tell what cards I overpaid for (My guess is all of them)...cards are selling for a lot more than say a few years ago especially the old stuff in nice condition. I could have found a Mantle say for 10k and not 13k but the centering would have sucked or some stain would have bothered me I wanted my Mantle centered and with ZERO stains or marks of ANY kind.

Please point me in the direction of where I can find these rarer cards (That are problem free for the most part) for so much less elsewhere and I will GLADLY go in that direction in the future. Where can I find a 1887 Old Judge Harry Wright graded PSA 5 elsewhere...there are simply none available (to rare to wait 5 years to locate another one...I am a collector and hence collect I can't stand waiting 5 years for a golden deal...that would never amount to much if I waited 5 years per card I add to my collection...in the end I would have like 6-8 cards then time for me to leave Earth)?

I understand what you guys are saying be patient but some of these cards only come up every other year that is to long in my opinion to not be collecting....just to save say a 100$ on a card.

Almost NO hobby is rewarding financially NONE!!!

Just as every generation throws a hero up the pop charts, every generation has a collector who rushes in gobbling up cards without regard to price. Anyone remember Charles Nisenbau? Rocketslover? etc. etc. If you're that well off that a few thousand here a few thousand there is immaterial, then go for it and enjoy, but if you are concerned about making wise expenditures, slow down, take a deep breath, do some research, and learn to negotiate. Good luck.

For what it's worth, I've dealt with tonyetrade before and did not find him to be overpriced.

It is true that collectors will often happily pay a premium for the specific example that appeals to their eye. Whether one is a stickler for centering, registration, corners, etc., we all know that not all cards with the same label command the same price.

The PSA 4 pictured is a very clean image of Mantle. That said, you can definitely improve on that centering, if centering is your thing. This is only a 3 but the eye appeal is pretty strong...

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images...key-mantle-311

Peter_Spaeth

I did negotiate on these cards most of them the dealer dropped a lot from the asking prices. For example the 1887 Old Judge was listed for 5500$ I got it for 4250$ and the Mike Mitchell was at 5000$ I believe and I got it for 2500$...I know the dealers price there stuff way high to make us think we are getting a great deal but at least I got a deal and did not pay full asking prices.

MattyC

You see that Mantle in a 3 does nothing for me (creased at the bottom...colors not vibrant (+ browning) as they should be on this blue beauty and the centering to me is not appealing)...beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. I would not buy that card but that is me....I am sorry to say so but that is the truth in my situation.

Obviously, these are older listings, but the E90-1 card that you just bought sold for ~1300 in 2009 here: Link. (You may need to register with Heritage auctions to see the price.) A better condition card in SGC3 sold for ~1500 in 2010 here: Link.

The Harry Wright is a great card in PSA5, BUT, Old Judge collectors rarely go by the grade assigned by the third party graders. The reason is for Old Judges image quality is much more important that characteristics such as corner sharpness since Old Judge cards are like photos. Therefore, since the card that you purchased is faded, it may be PSA5 in technical terms, but Old Judge collectors would consider it "overgraded."

Anyway, I don't want to throw water on your purchases especially since you seem like such an enthusiastic new collector. People on the board want to see you happy with your purchases, and you certainly are happy now. We just don't want you to regret it later on, which almost always happens with new collectors. This was the same with me also. When I first re-entered the hobby, I bought a lot of things for prices where now, given what I know, I consider myself an idiot back then.

In pre-war collecting, there are many extremely rare cards. There are many, many cards that are very sought after. That is why there is rarely a deal that needs to be made now. You might miss this awesome Harry Wright card now, but later on, you may find another awesome Old Judge card that is equally rare and sought after. There are so different images and cards in prewar, collectors change focus one after the other because there are too many things to collect. We see pickups that other collectors get, and we start to want to get into that area also. Therefore, there will always be plenty of ways to spend your hard earned money on cards that you will be happy to have in your collection. Happy collecting!

No worries, all good. Wasn't trying to sell it to ya. Just making a centering comparison, as the 4 seemed pretty OC t/b, and rather its strength seems to me the cleanliness of the image and strong surface. But again it's all in the buyer's eye.

I know that there is an Ignore List for posts, but is there any way to not see entire threads started by a specific user?

glchen

That makes a LOT of sens I will for sure make a mental note!!!:)

conor912

Do you want us to talk about you (do you require a little bit of attention at the moment) if that is the case create a post...and people will participate if they chose to and simply ignore it if they chose not to!!!:D

Let's take a look at some of "Adrian's" qualities and see if we can figure out who this really is:
- single, no kids
- likes to impress us with his high end cards and how much money he spends
- never shows scans of his cards (claims to not have a scanner)
- poor use of grammar and spelling but claims to have a high level of education
- seems to enjoy annoying us
- gets belligerent when challenged
- has a brother who also buys high end cards

Hey, are you really just one of the Bruces?

I think Adrian has to be the most enthusiastic collector I've ever across.

Anyhow - kudos to you on your purchases.

I've dealt with tonyEtrade before, and found him to be more than reasonable on his pricing.

DaveW

To be honest that is pathetic on your part I am never one to show off I simply buy rarer more expensive cards hence I show those cards off and for having bad grammar my 1st language is French NOT English. Try speaking French here so we can laugh at you for not been a French person...NOW that would make a whole lot of sens and would make us French people feel so much better about our selves. What are you a perfect judge are you a lawyer with 10 years of experience to judge someone in 5 minutes.

CharleyBrown

Thanks at least you see it for what it truly is!!!:)

So you start threads just so people will talk about you? Dave, you can add "low self esteem" to your list.

conor912

You be a shit disturber (even worse you can't even start your own topic)...us real collectors hate those types. You can add that to YOUR list!!!:D

Been there, done that.

:)

You're right. I be a shit disturber.

Dave, I hope you're keeping tabs of these gems.

conor912

Hey here is a idea show us some of your cards get involved!!! Now that would be a evolution in your case and not a useless revolution!!!:D

Agreed, the end price in REA will tend to be quite a bit higher for many of the lots. I have bid some already and will simply wait for the catalog.

The ongoing Heritage Auction has added a bit of competition in the similar time frame.

Adrian, good luck to you.

I do not want to judge what you do in terms of bidding or buying, but patience is not a bad thing. I bought(probably all of us have) some cards a few years ago(that if I had waited), I could have obtained cheaper. But it is your call. It is still a free country(at least for now).

joeadcock

Good luck to you as well...I have only one card I want I am pretty sure I can win it it is not that expensive of a card...just a nice example.

I am just saying that I have seen this act before and people end up giving up 20 percent to an auction house to sell the cards at 60-70 percent of what they paid. You have time, none of these overpriced cards are going anywhere, don't rush in.

Peter_Spaeth

Will try my best to be more aware and calm.

C'est bon. :)

Peter_Spaeth

You see that is good french!!!:)

this guy is no fun at all, impulse buys are the best!!!

edited out the jibber jabber.

chaddurbin

I guess that card will be a live and learn card. Why is it so rare as people say? I was told that there are about 100 to 150 examples known compared to say the T206 Ray Demmitt with about 200 to 400 known.

You overpaid about 1500 on the Wright... Who cares though, right? Just enjoy it.

Matthew H

That is what I plan on doing can't always do the right thing in life and always play safe we certainly can try to do better.:cool:

The Wright last sold for 4000$ a few years ago and I paid 4250$ so I paid 250$ to much for it not 1500$. Personally I do see cards as a investment probably never will.

As i recall nobody has a good explanation. That said, keep in mind itbis a common and only of value to set builders and the set while popular cant touch t206 and other sets where there will always be an influx of new buyers. So that is a recipe for declining value over time as there is less competition for each available copy.

I have a headache already....

Value is an opinion, but you're wrong about previous pricing... It sold for close to 3k (still a bit high) I think he might have had a hard time getting his money back had you not come along... Now he's probably eating steak ;)

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=15353

Matthew H

Here is the last sale on Heritage for the EXACT same card.

Link:

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...01#71067106230

Sold for 3883$. So I paid +- 400$ more over a 2 year period because it sold in 2011 on Heritage for that price.

I do my research before paying if I only saw the auction you talked about at less than 3000$ I would not have paid 4250$ for it believe me!!!

Thinking of bidding on this one. Any of you Goudey experts: does side to side look ok (i.e. not trimmed)? Those borders look pretty thin, though perfectly centered.

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=24554

hiyoh

There is a nice one on Ebay graded a 7 and you can make a best offer (pretty sure he can come down a LOT)...good seller as well .

Link:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1933-Goudey-B...item43baf105aa

Hey the more folks to this hobby the better, folks who want to spend money that’s even better. Adrian enjoy you’re collecting take a little advice if you feel it adds value.

For the rest of the guys who want to be your financial advisors tell them to worry about their money and not yours.

Nice cards and pickups.

Cheers,

John

wonkaticket

Thanks!!! Will do.:)

You can see on page 12 that I did not overpay much for the 1887 Old Judge card last sold for 388$ in 2011 and I paid 4250$ 2 years later in 2013.

Considering I used to own that very card, probably not. Reason I sold it in the first place was to upgrade.

My mistake... Wonka is right, don't let any of us tell you how to spend your money... You earned it, it's yours.

I've paid retail for a few cards that caught my eye, it's no big deal. Just enjoy yourself and try not to burn yourself out too quick.

-Matt

Make up your mind, dude...............:rolleyes:





also it seems that maybe it's an unwritten rule around here to not announce what price you paid for a card.

Maybe I've missed it all these (3) years but it seems the other big spenders normally humbly post their pickups (usually in the monthly pickup thread) without dollar signs attached and the compliments roll in anyway.

tonyo

People who collect expensive cards show those cards off that does not make them a SHOW OFF you could not figure that out on your own really...that is from the book on life?:eek:

You are making me feel smarter by the minute continue writing what you write....now that's me been a SHOW OFF....hahahaha!!!

I post the prices because ANYONE can find them I simply save them time..any good writer puts references for what the write about...did you not know that!!!

I'm glad there's no bad people nor bad things in this hobby! Whew!

4815162342

There are as you well know but there seems to a balance of good people and bad people as for coin collectors they are mostly bad/nasty people. Grumpy old men mostly collect coins.

ummm....I didn't call you a show off, simply asked you to make up your mind.

And also made a wish for humility. I love to see the cards in folks collections - I don't really care how much they cost others - I just like to look at cards. I'll check the book on life to see if it is possible to look at cards without knowing what they cost.;)

tonyo

Lolllll!! Have a nice evening sir!!

Nevermind, not worth it.

Adrian - Do try to come to the National and the Net54 dinner this year. It's always nice to meet a new collector.

ngrow9

Hahaha nice try to make me feel bad try again wit a better come back at least!!!!:D

Jewish-collector

I will see what I can do I need to get a new passport done (I will get one done soon for sure). I will not bring any cards to show because of customs and security reasons. I can't say just yet because a lot can happen from here till then.

Adrian---
 

There are several in this thread who are doing their best to try & belittle your purchases. It can only be one thing--They are jealous as hell!

You bought some quality cards that I only wish I could afford and I applaud you for being able to do it!

Disregard the jealous slams, whether you overpaid or not, & the snide remarks & do your thing!

GoldenAge50s

Thanks sir for having the courage to state that here on the forum!!! As they say some people will just simply NEVER be happy in their there own lives how can they be happy for others....just glad I am NOT one of those poor people!!!

If my count is correct Adrian has so far posted 56 times in this thread.

Its nice you can buy what u want. But, if u read this forum, not a lot gloat about how much they spend. Some of us on here can't even buy a 20.00 card. Is thatjealousy? YES IT IS, but I wouldn't gloat that I spent thousands here and there if I did have the money, makes other s feel lousy.

barrysloate

Actually it is 56 times!!!!!!:D

Actually it's now 57.... and the night is still young:)

GrayGhost

Not my intention at all I grew up poor I understand what you mean...next time out of respect I will not mention the price I paid.

First of all, let's not get all sacrosanct about the cards and prices here. We live in a free market, I think everyone is aware of price and is unafraid to discuss what things are worth. Now, whether we would choose to do that with folks outside the collecting community, it could be distasteful without being asked. I've debated whether to tell people even when asked, but inside the hobby is a different story. Everyone here is spending cash on cards - let's face it.

Adrian, did he overpay? It is a matter of opinion, really. Probably, yes. But not dramatically, and he generally bought classic cards. PSA 5 Wright, it last sold for $3850, there were two other people out there willing to pay in that range, he is not alone then. If PSA set registry guys start to jump all over the set, the price could explode, they don't care if the image is faded or whatever. Anything is possible.

Yeah, Adrian has been impulsive, but he has got the cash to burn. When I had cash, I tore through it, I was even worse than Adrian, I mean, I bought two blockbuster cards in the span of three months. Granted, I purchased them at auction, it's a little different (or a lot different), but the point being that it's easy to burn through money when you've got it.

I also smoked through $5750 buying a Whitney with Dog card. Hall of Famer? No. Rare pose? Nyet. But I love the card, so who's to really say? Adrian obviously didn't want to follow my advice and wait for the auctions, it's his prerogative. Doesn't sound like he did too badly on the Mick, that must be a hot card right now if he's gotten two offers already.

Point being, he's one of us. He's a collector, he's got his ways, there are maybe more savvy collectors out there, but we've all seen worse, and even if his style is a bit manic, he belongs on the board, he is one of us. The hobby needs new collectors, it is the only way it can grow. So welcome, Adrian, and again, congrats on the pickups. Enjoy.

barrysloate

Yes it yes it is!!!!

It can only mean one thing Barry--you're jealous as hell!!!

cyseymour

Many many thanks for taking the time to write what you did!!!:)

Who cares what you would buy no offense. He’s the one who bought them and he’s happy. I would bet the seller is too. So in then end your opinion on the subject doesn’t affect or even register with the two parties involved.

To all on prices while I agree that you can buy collectibles smart and within certain ranges in terms of price, if you educate yourself a bit and exercise a bit of patience. However with that said at the end of the day the bulk of this is worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. These are not things with firm regulated fixed prices.

Win some you lose some that’s the name of the collecting game. Adrian is stoked he found this hobby he’s doing his buying sprint let him enjoy it and be happy he has the interest to be so excited about a hobby we all have money tied too.

Now I do agree Adrian can post them in the pickups with the rest of jackwagons. :)

Sure the occasional look what I did thread is cool but lots of them can rub folks the wrong way etc. but in the end C'est la vie.

Cheers,

John

I have over 5800 posts and I fear Adrian will pass me a week from Tuesday.:(

You are catching a break as Barry has retired as the board's spelling cop.
By the way, great cards. If you like 'em it don't matter what others think.

Too soon for my pick up pic? :)

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...1_1%20copy.jpg

Barry---
 

At this rate Adrian will pass you in about an hour & a half!:)

(Posted the same time as your Post 147!)

wonkaticket

Very well said sir!!!:)

As the under bidder happy to make you whole when you are ready the one night I fall asleep....damn 4-5am Amish hour auctions. :)

:)

Saying you have never overpaid for something/anything in any collectible hobby is like saying you have ridden a bicycle and have never fallen off you’re either amazing or a liar. :D

Personally I would prefer seeing 100 posts of Adrian dropping coin and talking smack about his new items he’s jazzed about vs. 100 posts about dinks with fake eBay Wagner’s and such. Or dozens of posts from armchair graders ragging other’s eBay auctions all while bumping their overgraded cards in the BST over and over and over….

I had a feeling it was you, and I bet you were the underbidder on my Kid Nichols, too. You've cost me a bundle, John!!!:p:p:p

wonkaticket

2 thumbs up for your comments sir!!!:)

Jamie you will have time to get me back sadly payback is a bitch….I’m not looking forward to that transaction…”How much for the damn dog card?”.:D

How about posts on psa vs sgc or graded vs raw or ragging on high BIN prices?

.....or what is XYZ's RC?

Or shipping costs.