Reporter just said "this has been a six hour crime odesessy".

It looks they've run out of real stuff to report, I'm going to sleep.

Suspect 1 killed other on the loose as of 7 am east coast time

Entire city of Boston is in lockdown...that is unprecedented for a major American city.

Crazy crazy stuff! I hope they catch this other suspect alive, not that I want him alive just to get some answers from him!
My thoughts and Prayers going out to the officers wounded and killed and for the hope that no other innocent people get hurt by this terrorist!
News says suspect is 19 years old how do you get so much hate in you in only 19 years? I have a daughter his age that is just so unfathomable to me!

like watching a movie on fox news here, I hope they don't kill this 2ed guy he needs to be tortured IMO

I actually feel pretty bad for the second kid... seems like he was dragged into this by his brother. This kid, the way he walked, with the backpack slung off a shoulder, the hat backwards... so young, did he fully realize the consequences of what he was doing? Maybe, but captain of the wrestling team, popular kid, it is unfathomable really. Cambridge Rindge and Latin is a good school. There is just nothing to explain this...

Really tragic not only for the victims but for the perpetrators as well.

"...tragic for the perpetrators as well"

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

suspect may be travelling in a
Grey Honda CRV
Mass Plate 316 ES9


Just saw that on local news and I am just posting this for anyone in the area of the suspect as I am. Not trying to create any hysteria!

+1. Tragic if they don't put multiple bullets between his eyes.

I get the feeling he's about to find out.

I do not share your sympathy for him however.

Do you mean the consequence that a shrapnel bomb might maim and kill people? Given that he was a medical student I'd say yes he did. If you mean the consequence that he would be hunted down and killed or jailed, who gives a shit?

WHAT!?!?! :eek: Are you kidding me! Maybe he was a decent kid growing up but somewhere along the line he obviously went bad. I only feel sorry for those he has hurt and killed!

Hitler and Bin Laden were probably "nice guys" before they turned into monsters!

That is a major leap of faith we really know nothing about these individuals.

They are terrorists and now as of last night cop killers as well. Keep in mind, that is the person you are feeling sorry for!

Of course this is a major atrocity and he should be brought to justice. It is absolutely horrible what he did, and as I sit here under lockdown, thinking of the people who've been maimed or killed, how lucky some of the people I knew were to okay, nothing could be more horrendous.

But what you have to understand is that it is a community. I have been in that community. I have, just a couple months ago, I played soccer three times in a gym with muslim immigrants in Cambridge where I was the only white American in there. Otherwise it was all muslims. Yes, in the very same area where that kid lives.

And you know what? Some of those guys did have issues playing with an American, it was not always easy. But other guys in there STOOD UP FOR ME. Arab culture is a little crazy, they will spend half the time yelling at each other instead of playing. But after playing with them a few times it became clear that I was allowed to get upset and yell, too. It is just how things are with them.

Yes, I know that you all want to get the bad guys like it is a James Bond film. And it kind of is a movie playing out right now. Certainly, they should be gotten. But if you were from Cambridge/Somerville and understood its values, you'd see why it is so tragic for everyone involved. Because there are a lot of kids like that who are trying to make it in this country. And Cambridge/Somerville is a place that accepts them and values diversity. It is a real community.

I don't know those guys, what they did is absolutely horrendous, and the remaining kid should be put to justice. But these are still human beings, and that they could throw away all the opportunity they've been given here and commit such a heinous crime is just a tragedy for everyone, including themselves. Something clearly went very, VERY wrong.

Where does this stuff come from? I just read through today's posts in this thread (I don't have television), then went out and bought a newspaper.

There is almost no correlation :confused:

All these crappy constant news feeds you guys are confused over, sensationalizing this situation as if it's a Lifetime t.v. show, with very little journalistic integrity, is exactly why I got rid of my television the first time.

Scott, I don't know what the point of your post is, but there certainly is no confusion over what is happening in Boston right now. Overnight, these scumbags ambushed and killed a police officer and have shot another officer who is critical right now.
Boston is indeed in lockdown and the public has been asked to stay in their home and lock their doors. Traffic is not being allowed in parts of Boston. Taxicabs have been shut down along with the MBTA, bus service, etc.

So, we are not confused, maybe you are.

Scott- the city was (and still might be) on lockdown. everyone was encouraged to stay home, schools closed, no mass transit, no flights leaving. this started early this morning after your newspaper was printed. they are locked down.

"Governor Deval Patrick asked people who live in the entire city of Boston, as well as the nearby communities of Watertown, Waltham, Newton, Belmont, Cambridge, to “shelter in place” — stay inside and not open their doors to anyone, except police with proper identification.

The search has also led to the sudden shutdown of the MBTA’s entire network of commuter rail, bus, and subway services. Taxi service was shut down until late morning; the state court system announced closures of various courts and offices in the area. Amtrak suspended service between Providence and Boston. And officials requested businesses across the area not to open this morning."

Was brutal to listen to last night, the shootout was broadcast live on the scanner and there is video, hundreds of shots being fired. It's not coming across as sensationalization.

Gets intense around :45 sec mark.

Video

Phil, I just re-read my post. If you don't get the point of it, then you haven't taken the time to read it. So maybe you actually ARE confused. It wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks. After reading the newspaper I checked several online sites and the facts varied - a lot.

Thanks for your response. I realized after reading Phil's that if I couldn't get accurate news from the newspaper or the internet, I certainly shouldn't have expected any sort of reasonable response from a baseball card forum. But sometimes I forget that.

the ridiculous amount of assuming that has been done by the major news outlets during the unfolding of this deal is really disheartening.

the networks are under such pressure to release info a few instants faster than the others is really detrimental to the consumers of news. even in the articles they often admit that their fact points are suppositions...which gets completely missed by many readers/watchers.

its almost smarter to wait a day or two after an event so that you can finally read an accurate account of something, rather than trying to absorb the chaos while events are unfolding.

Scott, there are rational people on our forum, for the most part. Your first post about this, this morning, sounded weird to me too. It's pretty easy. The two terrorists got identified, one got killed, the authorities have locked down most of a city for their own protection. They are still looking for the other terrorist and consider him to be extremely dangerous. Personally, I hope they don't take him alive. I agree there are lots of different reports but most, not all, are fairly accurate. It's a fluid situation. There is no script for this.

It can be hard to get a consistent picture when the media jump the gun and elevate speculation or rumor to fact. And while I of course want everyone myself included to be safe this is starting to seem a bit disproportionate.

Well Scott, we do know that everything you read on the internet is certainly always true. But I guess you know it all being on the other side of the country.

I've noticed this also when I played soccer with Arab guys, they blow their tops so quickly and explosively over small stuff, I never could understand it.

feel bad? After they get info from him they should let the father of the 8year old kid who died, burn him alive in the middle of town.

Is that some voodoo magic that brings 8 yr olds back to life?

I'm sure watching that kid burn alive would really make that father feel so much better.

nothing will make the father feel better, but rather have him live a long life in a jail cell that tax payers need to pay for....or suffer a death he deserves.

Its an easy choice IMO.

Of course it will never happen, but there is no punishment that fits a crime of killing an innocent kid, ..o yea also that father, his daughter was also there and lost one of her limbs.

I hope they take him alive only for the fact he may lead them to others who could be involved! You can kill him after that as far as I am concerned!
I think he may end up taking his own life one way or another, I just don`t see how he is going to be brought in alive.

Took the wife downtown yesterday for the Fleetwood Mac concert at the Garden. Couldn't leave this AM. Subway and Taxi's all shut down. Finally, we copped a ride and home now.

An obviously upset Stevie Nicks made a nice tribute at the end of the show. Not a dry eye.

We've become Israel. Be vigilant.

Eerily quiet this AM;

At the business where I work, we have a few customers in the Boston area that we overnighted packages to yesterday. Apparently the fedex planes are not even being allowed to land in Boston so everything is stuck in Memphis for the time being.

I understand security and caution and all (would make sense to not have delivery trucks out and about in Boston today) , but if 1 single russian kid with a gun is putting so much fear into us that we can't even land airplanes at Logan International, then all I can say is... the terrorists win.

As Leon will say, let's keep the politics out of the discussion.

The bombers were Russian.

It`s been a bit more than one russian kid with a gun in case you havent noticed!

I can certainly understand why people in the area are on edge. My brother was at the marathon and if he was 50 yards in either direction he could have been hurt or killed! I thank god he was unhurt!
I am about an hour away from Boston and my daughter knows people who have met this kid in college, this is as close to this as I want to get. I would like to think that my daughter is as safe as a kid somewhere in the middle of Montana, but untill this comes to an end I wont feel relief.

There's just the 1 kid left, the other is dead. Again, not saying the area shouldn't be on red alert. Just my opinion that if flights are not even allowed to come into Boston, that is excessive IMO.

So much coverage of Boston..despite having a severe storm system coming thru and a sited funnel cloud taking homes off foundations in our state..Which ya think precedents here?? And when they do show the weather, they have a pic/in/box still of Boston.

Yes law enforcement is operating with an over abundance of caution. It seems as if there is only one terrorist left who can say for sure at this point? We don`t know if there are other persons of interest that the public does not know about at this time are they armed with guns,bombs? Who knows it is still unfolding.
I don`t think refering to him as a kid fits either. He is 19 that is an adult and his actions have made him a terrorist lets call him what he is!

For your sake and your customers I hope they don`t deem your packages suspicious! :eek:

The idea that the bombers were Russian is laughable -- they'd probably pluck your eyes out for saying such a thing as they were Chechen. And they were knee-deep in Jihad as the evidence clearly shows on one of their Facebook pages, comments from an uncle, the types of bombs they used, etc. So, the comparison to Israel is hardly far-fetched. Just some thoughts.

Just heard Sox and Bruins games have been cancelled for tonight!

That pip-squeak couldn't get anywhere near my eyes. Otherwise, fine, Boston is like Israel.

We're not Israel in the literal sense, no Matthew H. And I realize you didn't mean Russian, but Chechen as well.

Be Strong, steve

+1

Revenge and hate only perpetuate the cycle imho.
JimB

Chechnya is technically part of Russia, hence the problems. Lots of craziness over there.. their separatist blew up a school full of kids, took over a packed theater in Moscow (which the Russian army gassed and stormed inflicting mass civilian casualties), bombed planes, etc.. and I'm sure the Russian military has done some terrible things as well.

Though there may be some common themes/events/causes, all of these ongoing world situations (Isreal, Chechnya, Sri Lanka, Syria, Libya, N Korea, etc) are unique. That said, I wish the best to all those in the Boston area and hope this situation is quelled with no further loss of innocent life.

Jim- I could be wrong but if your 8 yr old son was blown to smithereens in front of your face, and your daughter had her leg blown off, in front of your face, you might feel differently.....but maybe not.

That absolutely does not take away from Jim's assertion. No good comes from perpetuating the cycle of violence.

I disagree. Bin Laden got what he deserved. He won't be killing anyone else. Cycle stopped (for him). One of these current Boston terrorists got what he deserved. He won't kill anyone else. One more to go, then he won't kill anyone else. Those three will have their cycles stopped. And if more people kill innocent people they too should have their cycles ended. Just my opinion. Moral of the story, don't kill innocent people.

But it doesn't have to be about revenge and hate. If your dog has rabies you may love it but you still put it down. If you don't, you endanger everyone around you.

I feel similarly about this kid and others like him. It isn't about hate, its about safety. I may feel sad for him and wonder why he became what he is now, but that really doesn't change anything. If you don't capture him or put him down, everyone else is endangered. If that is perpetuating the cycle, so be it. At least, hopefully, there is one less killer out there.

I think we are on the same page Kenny. That being said, I am sorry....if my daughter was maimed or killed I would hate the person that did it and want revenge. I am weak in that respect.

I would too.

Me three.

I've been on lockdown all day - it is insane. I watched my childhood home on CNN as armored vehicles patrolled the street doing searches. I live 3 miles away now but my 10-month old son goes to daycare right where the gunfight took place.

I am just thankful this happened overnight and not during the day when he would have been there. Let's all just put the politics aside and hope this ends soon.

/

My thoughts go out to the people in Boston.

+1000000000

I was going to post something else but my tv caught my attention just now. A reporter saying he heard gunfire in watertown area. I hope it will be over soon!

So if touture is out of the question...What about putting him in General Population. Would love to see what the best US harnened prisioners have to show this coward.

^ The best possible outcome, IMO.

No disrespect meant Leon, but, as you state, in this "battle" there is no singular cycle. Thus, it is perpetual.

No confirmation yet but I have a feeling they got him. Reports are a body in a boat in backyard after heavy gunfire!

Praying this might be it - so scary to watch this footage now on live tv of my old neighborhood....

When will Al Cowlings show up to save the kid?

They got him alive!

Others arrested in connection with this as well http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...athon-bombing/

With him alive hopefully he will lead authorities to others who would commit such acts before they happen! Well done BPD and all law enforcement agencies invovlved!

+100000000000000

Where is the correlation now Scott?

Get a clue!

Tsarnaev captured alive! In serious condition at a Boston hospital. Congrats to all the local, state, and federal agencies on a job well done. Now the victims and their families can begin the process of recovery and this pig can be brought to justice! Boston Strong! Boston Pride! United We Stand! :D

And he'll be interrogated, stand trial, etc.. And if the bros were working with anyone else, the cops/Feds have a shot to ferret them out (please pardon me if I'm way out of the loop as I haven't been able to check the news for hours). Glad its over, at least for now, especially for you New Englanders.

What an awful week for the people of Boston and it's nation.

Seeing this...felt good.

Arrest photo, mildly graphic click

Well done!
 

Glad to hear he was captured alive. Hopefully they can get some answers. After that, I don't care what they do to him.

Send him to guantanamo bay

I was just going to post that if he doesnt talk we should send him to Guantanamo and see how he likes water boarding!!

Kudo's to the citizens and law enforcement people for getting this done, what riveting tv this was, wow, and thank God they got both of them. Now I just hope the injured recover as well as they can, and my heart goes out to the ones who either died or lost limbs. :(

I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland during the "troubles" so have had too much experience of bombings and the fear that they can provoke.

Whilst last Monday's bombing was, and is, terrible (unequivocally so), I am glad that the remaining bomber was captured alive. Not because I wouldn't will him dead but, rather, that it's important that the relevant agencies can obtain as much understanding as possible about whether others, and if so who, were involved.

The sad reality appears to be that a single crazed idiot or two can create bombs that can bring cities to a standstill. Whilst the effect is still every bit as bad, I'd very much hope that this is the work of two crazed and warped scum rather than something wider.

For all the talk re US and the terrorism threat (which clearly exists), it is remarkable how few significant terrorist incidents there have been on US soil since Sept 11. I don't know but can only assume that the security intelligence is more persuasive than we may sometimes credit.


ps - Chechnya is a part of Russia and will hopefully remain so for a long, long time. One thing that does annoy me is that the global media view the Chechnyan separatists as the bone fide representatives and spokespeople of that territory.

He will be treated as as enemy combatant, which will allow the dept of justice
To ? Him for as long as they please hence gizmo. Also the Russian govt
Requested that the US govt investigate him two years ago for his radical postings on you tube. Then he leaves the US last year for six months headed to Russia then onto ? For his training on a green card. Someone dropped the ball on the older brother.
Mike

Now I'm not a Red Sox fan by any stretch but Big Papi's intro at the Sox game today sums it up....."'THIS IS OUR F*CKING CITY!' AND WERE NOT GONNA LET ANYONE DICTATE OUR FREEDOM, STAY STRONG". I love it if you get a chance check out the youtube clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6GLsc1wpqM

I think Papi's into was inappropriate and low class. Eliminating the expletive would better have served his point. Dave

Not entirely the same, but on the topic of "media view", when Russia had their brief war with Georgia, the US media covered it almost entirely from the side/perspective of the Georgians. The fact that Georgia had been the aggressor, had attacked S Ossetia and killed Russian soldiers was barely mentioned initially, and not mentioned once the heavy fighting began. I'm not saying one position or country was right, but it's frustrating because the media (especially US) tends to choose a side (usually the easy "victim") and go with it. This has happened several times in the past few years. "Freedom fighters"/"Separatists" are often gentler words for "terrorists"/"insurgents".. the names we choose to call them usually depends on which perspective we're viewing it from. Media has a huge influence in that.

adding: PS- I'd be very interested to learn more about what life was like in Belfast during those years/decades. I visited Ireland in college.. there were still some attacks/bombings happening, but never made it to the north.. I mostly only knew/know what I've seen in movies like "In the Name of Father"/ "The Boxer"/etc.

Actually, two Muslim terrorists from Chechnya 'dictated' and killed and terrorized Boston over the past few days and probably changed it forever.

Obviously, you're not from Boston.

Yes, it made it stronger.

Right. Stronger.

Well, let me tell you, not everyone is so scared up here. People are tough in Boston. It will bring people together. Don't underestimate Boston. You'll see.