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Hey Scott

Thanks

There's a lot of "gold" (cards) out there in 'dem hills :)

TED Z

The "Exclusive 12" of the T205 set

T99 Sights & Scenes of the World
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Circa 1911 Gold-Border Tobacco premiums

208 = T205 Baseball

50 = T42 Birds

30 = T43 Birds

50 = T56 Emblems

100 = T57 Fables

50 = T69 Historic Homes

50 = T80 Military Men

50 = T99 Sights & Scenes of the World

Hey guys

Anymore of these "Golden Gems" out there ?

TED Z

The T43 bird series of 30 is very much like the T80 and T205 minor leaguers. A Canadian version was issued first in 1910 as the C45 set by Imperial Tobacco. Mecca issued the same fronts with ad backs in 1911-12. The Mecca are either factory 30 or 649 I believe.

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The "Exclusive 12" of the T205 set

Ken

Thanks for posting your colorful T43's.

TED Z

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Originally Posted by EvilKing00 (Post 1109095)

IMO no way the 205's and T206 are part of the same set, T206 just way too ugly! :p

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need 3 more to finish the 12 ML subset! Lee, Nee and hanford!

Just picked these up, never bought one before but had to have a few. Loved this old thread about the relationship between them the t205 and the birds.

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Interesting thread I had not seen the first time around. In reading through it, I noted that some speculation was being made as to the significance of the terms "series" and "subjects" and how there was some commentary on the possibility that the "400 subjects" mentioned on T205 backs may have included more than just all baseball players. In other words, the theory of what many commonly think of as entirely different sets of cards, such as the T80 military personnel, were actually intended to be part of this "400 subject" master set. This theory was relying on and bolstered by the fact that the T80 cards, and other sets being released about the same time, were also using the same gold border printing and similar front designs as the T205s. I recollect at least one respondent in the thread mentioning that in no instance did there ever seem to be the term "series" applied to more than one kind of card at a time. In other words, a "series" referred to either all baseball players, or all birds, or all military personnel, etc. This was then inferred to possibly mean that when talking about the baseball player "series" of T205 cards and the 400 different "subjects" that is was very plausible that the baseball players were only a part of the 400 total expected subjects and that there was no intention to print additional baseball player T205 cards after those we already know of.

Well to throw something else into the fire to think about, it was already mentioned that most of the the T205 images (none of the 12 minor league players though) were also used on the end panels of the T202 Hassan Triple Folder cards issued in 1912, after or about the same time the T205 print run supposedly had ended. What no one had mentioned though is that some of those same T205 images were also used to create the S74 silks, which were issued as two distinct sets. The S74-1 "white" silks were all printed on the same, somewhat white, satin colored material and had a paper backing attached to them. These were supposedly first issued in 1910, which would mean they were precursors of the T205 and T202 cards. The S74-2 "colored" silks were printed on various satin colored materials, not just the single white color used for the S74-1 silks. What is interesting, and germane to this thread, is that on the S74-1 silks with the paper backing attached, the title printed on the backs clearly stated that these were from the "Baseball-Actress Series on Satin", and indeed, there were both baseball players and current period actresses issued in this release. What is also interesting is that if you look at one of the related actress silks, the design and images on the front are entirely different than the images of the ballplayers, and nothing at all like any other of the gold bordered card issues from around that time. And yet, the actresses and ballplayers are clearly listed as being part of the same "series" and set.

This goes directly against the earlier suppositions that a "series", as issued back then, was only meant to include one distinct type of image (ballplayer, bird, military person, etc.) and that even though such card sets were issued with these very different images/subject matter, the fact that they were created with such similar designs/gold borders was what was indicative of them being intended as all part of one entire set.

Still not a definitive answer, just more info to cloud the issue. The same people who were responsible for printing the T205s and T80s were also likely the same ones responsible for decisions regarding the S74s. I feel you have to consider this information in any theories being made regarding all this.

BobC

just to add in - not sure if its been mentioned in this thread yet -

T202 which had the same art as the “T205 Art” had 2 players that the t205's didn't Blair & Wood - why not? The art work was the same.

Also 1914 T330-2 Piedmont Stamps had “T205 Art” which had Bill Killifer
and the t205's did not - where they intended to? Were there supposed to be all players?

where is joe Jackson? and some of the rest of the good players?

on the other side of it - there were a few sets like you mention that had baseball plus other cards in the set in that time period.

400 Designs where and who are they??? The mystery continues!

orioles70

There are exactly 32 subjects in the T205 set printed with the DRUM back. For more info regarding these DRUM cards,
check-out this thread....... T205 DRUM vs HINDU......

T205 A=B=C=D pattern

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...genABbk25x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Lobert25bx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg

The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. NOTE that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...05Drum25xb.jpg

T205 A-B-C-D connection.......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 subjects in bold letters have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.

After completing my 209-card T205 set [including the Hoblitzell (no stats)]......I continued my T205 "hunt" by forming these A-B-C-D sub-sets.
Here is an example of my favorite......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Huggins25x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uggins25bx.jpg

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, thanks for response...that's quite a project...wish you luck in your quest...what T205 cards have been found with the most different advertising on back

John

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Originally Posted by orioles70 (Post 1800879)

Wolter, Leach, and Phelps are three off the top of my head.

Thanks...how many different backs for those...is there a spreadsheet showing ad backs known for each card

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A question I've had for a while is, why do the cards of Lee, Nee, Cady, Frick and McAllister (all Newark players) all have white borders? The gold on the bottom 4/5 of each card does not go all the way to the edge, as on every other T205.

Steve

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Originally Posted by Steve D (Post 1800927)

That has always been a mystery. I have long thought T205s are part of the military and bird series. The link is the ML cards. Again that’s just a theory.

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