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christopher.herman 02-19-2013 12:09 PM

ha ha ha...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction (Post 1091407)
Hardly a criminal mastermind

Understatement of all time.

sycks22 02-19-2013 12:23 PM

This might be the best thing on the net in a while. His body language even says "Man I'm screwed".

wonkaticket 02-19-2013 12:37 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...all%20copy.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...800%20copy.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...963%20copy.jpg

sycks22 02-19-2013 12:40 PM

How'd he get on the plane? Was he cleared by White House?

ullmandds 02-19-2013 12:42 PM

i think there was a twilight zone episode made about him too?!

MMarvelli 02-19-2013 12:43 PM

When dad gets home from work tonight he is going to want his card and his shirt back!

"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

AndyG09 02-19-2013 12:58 PM

Thank you, Wonka!! Those are killer!!

Best,

Andy

EvilKing00 02-19-2013 01:20 PM

isnt the guy in the 2ed photo, dressed like a sailor ty cobbs?

Runscott 02-19-2013 01:32 PM

Now we're going to expect Where's Andrew? pictures regularly.

Thanks John.

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1091566)
Now we're going to expect Where's Andrew? pictures regularly.

Thanks John.

It could be a travel series like the old AmEx commercials. The t206 Wagner dont leave home without it.

slidekellyslide 02-19-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffins (Post 1091518)
Isn't Frank Wakefield about 40 minutes north of Nashville? Think how efficient it would be having him meet Frank in his chambers.

You talkin' about Frank "Hanging Judge" Wakefield? :D

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 02-19-2013 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkit1 (Post 1091520)
Yeah has any lawyers chimed in on this yet?

Unless he has attempted to sell the card more than just advertising (at least in my mind) I don't think he has committed a crime.

ctownboy 02-19-2013 02:06 PM

The truth? You can't handle the truth!!!!! (Think of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men holding the Wagner card up while testifying in court to Tom Cruise).

Robextend 02-19-2013 02:10 PM

Crazy Eddie
 
I don't exactly know where this fits, but somehow it belongs here:

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ctownboy 02-19-2013 02:22 PM

I only Smoke 4 the Cards,

Really? A guy not only advertizes but actively tries to sell a card that he doesn't own and you don't think that is a crime?

How about you go on vacation and I try and sell your house and take the proceeds? Or, if not your house, one of your cars?

David

cobblove 02-19-2013 02:23 PM

So your dad didnt sell it the first time in 2010 because he didnt like the price? Which was 220,000.00 . Yet now its ok to let it go at 75,000.00 which is almost 3x less than the first price that yall didnt like? Am I reading this correctly Andrew? You did say that yall pulled it from auction right? But you still didnt think it was worth more than 75,000 at this point? Did I read this correctly?

Deertick 02-19-2013 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by npa589 (Post 1091422)
I don't know you guys, until he is in court, it may be more beneficial to everyone to have "Not Banned, but don't do any deals with him" in place of where "Member" is located under his username.

Leon, please don't ban Andrew! But can you change his user name as a warning to others?

Maybe to Hugh Jasole?

wolf441 02-19-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1091566)
Now we're going to expect Where's Andrew? pictures regularly.

Thanks John.

C'mon someone break out the picture of Andrew with "Large Ass" Herzog!!

My photoshop skills are way too limited.

wonkaticket 02-19-2013 03:13 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...-wolverine.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn.../star-wars.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...e-Lost-Ark.jpg

sdkammeyer 02-19-2013 03:19 PM

First the "archive" fiasco thread and now you John ...... could this day possibly get any better?? :D

Wite3 02-19-2013 03:22 PM

Andrew...thieves often start out selling a few legit items to establish themselves as trustwory then go for the big rip off...classic con man...you have proven yourself a liar...ban him leon before he can become a thief

ullmandds 02-19-2013 03:27 PM

I mean c'mon guys...all of these psycho killers in the news every day...they perform these acts to get attention...because they were neglected as children or for whatever reason. This "andy" character is no different.

i don't think fueling his fire with numerous additional threads is helping matters at all...

conor912 02-19-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1091640)
I mean c'mon guys...all of these psycho killers in the news every day...they perform these acts to get attention...because they were neglected as children or for whatever reason. This "andy" character is no different.

i don't think fueling his fire with numerous additional threads is helping matters at all...

I was just thinking the same thing. I can't believe this has garnered over 200 posts in two different yet equally awful threads. This guy can claim he has whatever he wants to. Until he takes payment and doesn't deliver, who the hell cares? Let it go.

And some of you guys watch way too much CSI.

EvilKing00 02-19-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf441 (Post 1091626)
C'mon someone break out the picture of Andrew with "Large Ass" Herzog!!

My photoshop skills are way too limited.

like this.....

http://n.b5z.net/i/u/6141290/i/test.jpg

vintagetoppsguy 02-19-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 1091644)
This guy can claim he has whatever he wants to. Until he takes payment and doesn't deliver, who the hell cares? Let it go.

It's more than that. He ATTEMPTED to sell/trade it. He offered something that he doesn't have. That is fraud whether it was attempted or carried out. It's still a crime. Period.

Edited for spelling

WhenItWasAHobby 02-19-2013 03:42 PM

My favorite Photoshop Farce
 
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...psb5ab8ed7.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps5559b094.jpg

EvilKing00 02-19-2013 03:46 PM

ok last photo from me on this, sry i just had to, lol

http://n.b5z.net/i/u/6141290/i/testhoffa.jpg

wonkaticket 02-19-2013 03:54 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...size/laser.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...arge/woods.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/bridge.jpg

Fred 02-19-2013 04:02 PM

Lots of funny pictures and stuff...

What's the fascination with this clown? I guess a good train wreck is always hard to beat. :p

wonkaticket 02-19-2013 04:07 PM

Regardless of the humorous tones present the guy did claim to have something he didn’t and offered it for sale. Luckily it was something so outlandish that nobody fell for it. That aside if it was more inline and this was say a fake item for 2k and a fake Photoshop to follow proving he had the item. I doubt you guys would be so quick to say ahhh just let it go.

The only thing saving this guy from the true rage of this community is the fact that it so outlandish and funny to a degree. I’m also not about to draw parallels to this guy being a mass shooter waiting to happen that’s silly.

At best he’s a kid who got caught up in story time at worst he was trying to pull a fast one for some serious coin and was busted before he really put himself or someone in a bad spot.

Cheers,

John

novakjr 02-19-2013 04:12 PM

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let's give this one a try...

DavidG1966 02-19-2013 04:26 PM

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5b819925.jpg

Piratedogcardshows 02-19-2013 04:37 PM

I don't know what it is but I can't stop laughing at all these pictures.Great stuff everyone.What a joke.

npa589 02-19-2013 04:40 PM

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I kid you not David, I was doing this as you posted. Just finished a couple. John's pictures made me think of one he posted a while ago.

Now that I completed them, I suppose I have to post them. It'll be my exit from this thread...

As you can see, the guns intimidated him into giving up the Wagner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by novakjr (Post 1091670)
let's give this one a try...


vintagetoppsguy 02-19-2013 04:44 PM

It was funny for a couple of days, but now I find it quite sad really. I can't believe he won't fess up after all the overwhelming proof that is against him. I look at the picture of him holding the card and I see a little kid's sock on the floor. He already stated he was married, but it's obvious that he has kid(s) too. It's sad to think of the position he put himself in, but also his wife and kid(s).

DavidG1966 02-19-2013 04:55 PM

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps49f475fc.jpg

ctownboy 02-19-2013 04:57 PM

I don't feel sorry for a person (or people) who put themselves in a bad position and who are GIVEN A CHANCE TO ADMIT THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS and yet they CONTINUE to tell the same story or deny any wrong doing.

Do you know who I feel sorry for? The doctor who owns this card. Imagine the good story behind this card now being tarnished because somebody decides they want to try and cash in in an (apparently) fraudulent manner.

Also, imagine a few years from now if the doctor (or his heirs) decide he/they want to sell this Wagner. Imagine a prospective buyer going on the internet and looking for information about it or the story behind it and they find THIS.

Even though there might be hardcore proof that the Wagner the doctor owns is original there still might be some small question about it that arises from these threads and THAT might keep some from attempting to buy it OR it might keep them from offering as much as they otherwise would if THESE THREADS had never occurred.

David

Shoele$$ 02-19-2013 05:03 PM

This thread has taken on a life of it's own......long live Andrew Clinton in Net54 lore.....

johnmh71 02-19-2013 05:17 PM

I always say that collecting vintage baseball is the best and worst hobby.

This is the worst part.

Blunder19 02-19-2013 05:17 PM

a masterpiece within a masterpiece

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/g...psf4945013.jpg

39special 02-19-2013 05:18 PM

I havent laughed this much in a long time!

novakjr 02-19-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1091679)
It was funny for a couple of days, but now I find it quite sad really. I can't believe he won't fess up after all the overwhelming proof that is against him. I look at the picture of him holding the card and I see a little kid's sock on the floor. He already stated he was married, but it's obvious that he has kid(s) too. It's sad to think of the position he put himself in, but also his wife and kid(s).

No, no! I think we're completely misunderstanding the original photo. This isn't his house, or his kid's sock. It's pretty obvious from the look on his face that Chris Hansen just walked into the room..

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DavidG1966 02-19-2013 06:01 PM

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps566ce516.jpg

Exhibitman 02-19-2013 06:04 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...well_bye_2.jpg

DeanH3 02-19-2013 06:39 PM

I think this is a conspiracy to get all the T206 threads bumped off the front page. :D

Bocabirdman 02-19-2013 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanH3 (Post 1091728)
I think this is a conspiracy to get all the T206 threads bumped off the front page. :D

How? It is a T206 Wagner in question.:D:eek::);)

milkit1 02-19-2013 07:14 PM

Even though this guy was obviiusly lying, what would he have actually done without the card? Its interesting in his first post he mentions more of wanting to trade. I wonder if he thought someone would be dumb enough to trade him some great cards? I think that musta been the intention as even he seemed to know that no one would paypal him 75k

hammer 02-19-2013 07:15 PM

Andrew you have received your 2 minutes of Fame now please move on.

CW 02-19-2013 07:21 PM

Andrew also has a dream...
 
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DavidG1966 02-19-2013 07:54 PM

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psec849f45.jpg

JollyElm 02-19-2013 09:13 PM

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More apropos...

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teetwoohsix 02-20-2013 12:57 AM

What if this picture of "Andrew" isn't even really him? If he really thought he was going to pull off a scam, he may have used a photo of someone else- maybe one of his friends? I was just thinking about this.

Then again, he was trying to sell someone else's Wagner on Net54 :rolleyes::D

Wonka- I've missed your awesome photoshop's, thanks for bringing them back :D

Sincerely, Clayton

cobblove 02-20-2013 01:01 AM

I think its him. He took a pic infront of the mirror and you can see his hand is empty. Looks like he took the pic like that to crop in the wagner to still try and fool a few people in some way.

teetwoohsix 02-20-2013 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobblove (Post 1091874)
I think its him. He took a pic infront of the mirror and you can see his hand is empty. Looks like he took the pic like that to crop in the wagner to still try and fool a few people in some way.

True,,,,and how smooth is that- a mirror in the background :D

Sincerely, Clayton

Big Ben 02-20-2013 02:08 AM

I was just thinking that a couple of weeks ago, there would have been a Manti T'eo reference with this thread. Lol. :D

WhenItWasAHobby 02-20-2013 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix (Post 1091873)
What if this picture of "Andrew" isn't even really him? If he really thought he was going to pull off a scam, he may have used a photo of someone else- maybe one of his friends? I was just thinking about this.

Then again, he was trying to sell someone else's Wagner on Net54 :rolleyes::D

Wonka- I've missed your awesome photoshop's, thanks for bringing them back :D

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton,

You beat me to it. I woke up this morning thinking the exact same thing. Hypothetically, what person would be stupid enough to pull off a major scam and use his own photo in the process? Do we really know this is the person's real name?

Also hypothetically, if it is another person, and that person's image has been used in an attempt to perpetrate a scam without that other person's consent, that's also major no-no - potentially issues such as false light and identity theft.

Sean1125 02-20-2013 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby (Post 1091891)
Clayton,

You beat me to it. I woke up this morning thinking the exact same thing. Hypothetically, what person would be stupid enough to pull off a major scam and use his own photo in the process? Do we really know this is the person's real name?

Also hypothetically, if it is another person, and that person's image has been used in an attempt to perpetrate a scam without that other person's consent, that's also major no-no - potentially issues such as false light and identity theft.

It's him.

WhenItWasAHobby 02-20-2013 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean1125 (Post 1091892)
It's him.

So you know him?

Leon 02-20-2013 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby (Post 1091901)
So you know him?

He has done quite a few deals with folks on the board so his name and address are quite known. And as I said at very first, no doubt I have his real number as I called it and spoke to him. I think it's him. I don't know what he is trying to pull, but it's him.

markf31 02-20-2013 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1091649)
It's more than that. He ATTEMPTED to sell/trade it. He offered something that he doesn't have. That is fraud whether it was attempted or carried out. It's still a crime. Period.

Edited for spelling

It is fraud, or his actions have been fraudulent by definition, but what he has done to date does not constitute criminal fraud.

He has offered to sell/trade it, but he has not actually attempted to sell/trade it, not yet anyways. It's an important legal difference between the two terms. For criminal fraud, consequent damages must have been suffered by the someone (the plaintiff, or an undercover agent in the case of a sting operation) in order for an act to be consider criminal fraud. In other words a transaction needs to have taken place, or have been attempted, before he could be charged with fraud.

Yes, he’s being fraudulent but he has not committed criminal fraud…yet.

travrosty 02-20-2013 07:17 AM

Offer the White House for sale and see if the cops don't come.

fkm_bky 02-20-2013 07:22 AM

It must be him. He isn't smart enought to think of using someone else in his place. Just look at the intelligence level of his posts and lack of proper grammar and sentence structure. This dude is more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

"IT RUBS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN!!!"

Bi11 K@sel

slidekellyslide 02-20-2013 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty (Post 1091923)
Offer the White House for sale and see if the cops don't come.

For Sale! *THE* White House, 1600 Pennsylvania, Avenue, Washington DC. I'll let it go for $10.

:waiting for the cops:



:D

DavidG1966 02-20-2013 08:25 AM

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps55d066e1.jpg

Edwolf1963 02-20-2013 09:36 AM

Masterpiece within a masterpiece
 
I can't read this post anymore, I'm sitting in the AA Admirals Club in SFO and laughing out loud over the photoshop pictures. I'm sure everyone around me thinks I'm having some emotional meltdown .. tears streaming down my face laughing, especially on that "a master piece within a masterpiece" pic.

gregmorris818 02-20-2013 12:12 PM

Please stop. I've wasted hours reading these threads. I need to get back to work! LOL

My workers think I'm developing a mental problem because I keep on laughing.

How about Andrew on the moon trying to sell it?

Greg

gregmorris818 02-20-2013 12:14 PM

There are some very talented comedians on this board! Seriously

sdkammeyer 02-20-2013 12:18 PM

Needless to say .... he didn't take me up on my $175,000 offer :(

Ronnie73 02-20-2013 12:40 PM

I'm having my kitchen remodeled and the White House picture did it. Now i can't stop laughing and the workers think something is wrong with me.:D

JustinofLoxley 02-20-2013 12:41 PM

Prison Shower
 
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps741b6e54.jpg

DavidG1966 02-20-2013 12:47 PM

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psc7222d78.jpg

wonkaticket 02-20-2013 01:01 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...500%20copy.jpg

AndyG09 02-20-2013 01:05 PM

Some of the best laughs ever. Thanks so much fellas!

Best,

Andy

wonkaticket 02-20-2013 01:28 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...Gladiator1.jpg

Sean1125 02-20-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinofLoxley (Post 1092062)

More air out of my nose than usual :cool:.

slidekellyslide 02-20-2013 01:31 PM

The moon photo is an obvious fake...you can't even see the reflection of the card in the astronauts visor! :D

bn2cardz 02-20-2013 01:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sports-rings (Post 1091459)
He almost got away with it!

Man he gets around

fkm_bky 02-20-2013 01:45 PM

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!! The Jergen's bottle puts it over the top. Well done!

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 1092090)


bn2cardz 02-20-2013 01:50 PM

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He also appears to be selling a Ty "Cobbs" photo...

39special 02-20-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean1125 (Post 1092091)
More air out of my nose than usual :cool:.

Thanks! I just sprayed soda all over my keyboard.


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