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Add Ames Portrait to the list
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I hope Johnny doesn't mind, but he found an Ames Portrait factory 25 at the Philly Show; he recalled previously owning an Ames Portrait with the 30 at the bottom, but had sold/traded it. However, I found another Ames Portrait on cardtarget.com that showed factory 30 at the bottom.
This would leads me to believe in the probability that the sheet layouts may have been identical between factory 25 and 30, realizing that the Plank card was replaced at some point during the the printing of the thirties and not included in the twenty-fives (I believe this is the one difference between the subsets). I will update Jantz's list here for the "Huge Factory Number" 30; there are currently
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Erick.....
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Brilliant! I don't mind at all! you were there with me:)....
I found a scan of my old Ames... this factory #25 Ames is like the "missing" link... I have been searching for one FOR 15 YEARS!:eek: HAS ANYONE ELSE SEEN ONE??:confused: fact #25 sheet stamp??????????????????????:confused: |
same card
your card is the one I found in cardtarget (raw)... there's a flaw on the center of the back that matches... right above the "A" in Ball
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the Dawg....
strikes again!
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Possibly one more for the list Er!ck.
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Jantz...
:):)O ya! top o' the 0!
Chris! wild how I found one , huh?! 'twas the luck of the hound dawg Erick rubbed off on me that day!:) first one I have ever seen in the wild(besides Pat's Herzog??:confused:) is that the one?? |
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How about we add it with an asterisk? BTW, even with his inclusion, all 14 of these cards are in Print Group 1. I don't know what it means, but it is interesting.
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Erick....
love the new scrap rossman in your avatar! the high blue eyebrows are sick!:)
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Erick, I've seen another Wagner with one. I'll dig for a scan.
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My Rossman scrap
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this is for Erick! my Rossman scrap:)
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Note that I think 14 is a VERY interesting number... makes me start theorizing again. All guesses, for certain, based on number manipulation, but curious. It also assumes that 14 is the final number, which could a naive assumption. More soon. |
here is my Merkle
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thanks to Trae R.:)
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I have another 30 to add to the list - Hemphill. This makes 15, as per the updated list below. Sorry to torpedo the possibilities for 14. At least Hemphill is also in Print Group 1 like everyone else on the list (Print Group 1).
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This Keeler w/bat, albeit slight, looks like a worthy addition to the factory 30 stamp list:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Sweet-C...-/191301155391 |
make it sixteen
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Nice card Bryan!
Good catch on the Keeler also Trae! Jantz |
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I thought I should add the card Trae mentioned for posterity.
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This one was scooped up as soon as it was listed, it was already sold by the
time I had clicked on it. I hope someone here got it. Jim R has a nice Steinfeldt with a good portion of the 30 showing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...p2047675.l2557 |
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I got Steinfeldt. It's my first one of these after keeping an eye out for them for a couple years. I was very excited when I found it!
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Nice catch Luke. :)
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factory number but for the BIN price on that one I wouldn't have passed it up. |
Thanks guys :)
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I have Fred Clarke Portrait SC350.
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I'm terrible at posting pictures. I don't have a scanner,all I have access to is my tablet. I tried my best. I can take pretty good pictures with my phone,but wouldn't know how to get them to my tablet to post them. Yes,I am not very good with computer stuff. If someone wants to post pictures for me,I can text them pics. Here are my tablet pictures.:o
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My bad about the Hemphill, I've known about its existence for awhile now. Just didn't realize it wasn't on the list. Here is another example that I've known about for some time as well. :o Jones (portrait) |
Here's the updated list; as pointed out earlier, all in print group 1.
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JJ Clarke
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I'm not 100% sure but it's in the right location and looks like the top of a
number and also another 150 subject. |
Looks good to me Pat.
Nice find and thank you for posting! I was looking forward to talking with you at the National this year, but didn't see you all week. Jantz |
I didn't make it to the national this year Jantz but I enjoyed talking with you
at last years, hopefully we can get together in AC next year if you're going. |
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I know Cobb bat on is already on the list but there is no pic in this thread. (This one is on Ebay if anyone has been dying to get one).
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I picked up this Ames that has a patch of missing ink that the other two Ames posted in this thread also have. The Keeler posted in this thread also has the same exact spot that's missing ink. There are marks on some of the others that could possibly be used to pair up more of these.
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That Ames is an amazing card, congrats! And great detective work as well!
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Damn good work Pat!
The missing ink on the crossbars could be a connector. If we could find other players examples with this missing ink, then we could determine how many different sheets were printed for the Sweet Caporal 350-30 print run. It wouldn't matter now whether they have a sheet number or not. |
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It could help determine how many sheets this back plate was used on. Personally I think there were several back plates used For each back, I think they were also printed in some of the larger facilities owned by ALC and not just their main facility in NYC but that's just my opinion. |
The T207 variant thread reminded me of this card I picked up at the 2013 National. Possibly a left edge card as there are a few other examples out there.
http://i.imgur.com/iKMYnKo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BBG6976.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/oSloUdt.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/rw2RhuD.jpg |
I'm trying to figure out the value of these cards. Does anyone have any sales data for these? Posting here or a PM would be most appreciated. Thanks!
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So I take it that one possible theory is that if this factory 30 anom sat at the bottom border of the 9th card in; there was a horizontal row of 17 cards, right?
Secondly, if Dooin is the most recent factory 30 anom found, that would make a total of 19 so far. Does this mean that in Print Group 1 (which had 159 subjects) with some subjects printed dupes and trips; had at least 19 sheets printed?? Take care Charlie |
Well, that's not a question that can have a simple yes/no answer.
It's possible the number was in more than one spot on a sheet. It's also possible the sheets were more than 17 cards wide. It's possible that some sheets did not have a factory number in the margin. The art was changed between the 150 and 350 series, making things more involved Add to that a few more possibilities like complex sheet layouts and the only answer that works is that 19 subjects show a marginal factory number Indicating a possible 19 different sheets. Of course the 350 series also had art/plate modifications during the overall print run, many cards have differences that indicate at least two or three different printings. (And there may be differences between backs) Steve B |
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Came across this McGraw to add to the list which I believe makes twenty
different subjects found with a Factory #30 so far. |
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Good eye Pat!
Thank you for sharing the McGraw. |
Here's the updated list of twenty; as pointed out earlier, all in print group 1.
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Here's an interesting one, still print group 1 but......
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Here's the updated list of twenty-two;
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Great digging. Any list of the factory 25 sheet number known cards ? |
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I just recently acquired the Dahlen without realizing what the mark at the bottom was.
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And this one is a Dahlen, Boston. The previous Dahlen is a Brooklyn.
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Mine was actually the Brooklyn. Grabbed the wrong pic
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I don't see the Rhoades on the list...
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Added another one to the list, now at 23:
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Mystery meet red mark
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The revival of this thread reminded me that I have a SC150 Owen with a mystery red mark on back bottom...is it a factory number?
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Close up view of back bottom.
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Hey Brian
I don't think that is a sheet number, it is either stray ink or a later addition to the card. |
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The color does look pretty close. I have seen card with ink splatters on the back, so perhaps it is one of those. It is in the wrong spot and is the wrong shape to be a sheet number. Your mission is now to find another Owen with the same splash.
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another one
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Looks like I have a 24th to add to the list:
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Nice find Luke thanks for posting the Shipke, it actually makes 25 total.
I just realized the J.J Clarke I posted earlier in this thread isn't on the updated list. Attachment 314667 Attachment 314668 |
This is mine...big factory number along the right border.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7869/...2c84a805_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7904/...65b68b6f_o.jpg |
Large Factory Numbers
If anyone is looking to some of these to their collection please PM me. I have a few.
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Here’s one more I just found
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12 cards horizontally, as Ted said, makes sense. I've known him to be right occasionally.
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Terrific timing to bump this thread.
Sheet numbers remind me of several people, all represented in this thread, but I was just thinking about one of them yesterday when I was thinking about the upcoming Chicago National (where I first met him in 2015 after months of pms): Jantz. Jantz, we still miss you buddy. Time to update the list too - nothing new, but a bit more info added: (All are factory 30 unless noted)
Weird thing on the right side:
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This has always been an interesting post to me. I don't have many Sweet Caporals but lucky enough to have a Ginger Beaumont with a Factory 30 mark. Many know that I collect all the front/back combo's and wondered if there are collectors that actually collect these cards as their own special T206 subset?
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Found a new one:
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Nice find Luke!
Not new, but I am including another example of a Cobb bat on. Here is the updated list: (All are factory 30 unless noted)
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I see my red marker is working fine :). ...
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Not a new subject for a sheet number, but a new scan for this thread.
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Are any theories on why the factory designation is slightly off-center to the left on Hindu backs?
Maybe some extra bit of information was axed from the right side close to production and it wasn't re-centered? |
The numbers would have been transfers like the rest of the images. all put in place by hand.
The factory numbers were almost certainly intended to be internal marks only that would be cut off when the sheet was cut. It's not likely they paid much attention to the location. |
Thanks, Steve. I was actually going slightly off-topic though. My post was referencing the full factory designation, as-pictured:
https://i.imgur.com/Jq9dJb9.png |
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