I have a nice set of scans but this site is iffy for me uploading. Can upload one day and the same pic not able to a few hrs latter. I would love to show them off though.

Ted Z give me a ring sometime buddy or shoot me an email.

Wheat American Beauty
 

Here is Zach.

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...ps462fd4d2.jpg
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...ps289e1353.jpg

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4203b66d.jpg
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0eb2b740.jpg

A few HOFers....

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...ze/speaker.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...size/baker.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...through_tn.jpg

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Some AB cards are tough; and, other AB cards are less tough. For example, the Del Howard card is a tougher AB (only 2 are graded).
Both of these are PSA 2; and, there are no SGC graded cards of Del Howard.

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psb2f82e07.jpg
.. http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps50dfbfb9.jpg


TED Z

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Great AMERICAN BEAUTY cards, guys.

Really love those Speaker cards.

Let's keep posting these "green backs" :)


TED Z

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Jeff

Your Eddie Collins is a real beauty; and, with a well-centered back. Thank you for posting it.

PSA has only two AB 350 cards graded (and I am assuming that one of them is yours). SGC has not graded any AB 350 cards
of Eddie Collins.

I have the 3rd one with an AB 350 back, it is barely Vg (not graded). I have looked for some time to upgrade this Collins card.
It is indeed another example of one of the tougher ones with the AB 350 back. Let's see if anyone else here has this Collins ?


TED Z

Hi Ted,
Be careful using "Pop Reports"... I have over 100 AB's graded by PSA but none have the back listed.... I also have quite a few Raw cards...

Here are a few:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse14d69c2.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps87eae1ef.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps28afb1ac.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps90a929ea.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...psea6361fa.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse4482c68.jpg

Be well Brian

Brian, that Duffy is one of the nicest AB I've ever seen. Great card.

Green is my favorite color. Maybe that's why AB has always been my favorite back. TOUGH, but not impossible like Uzit or Drum.

Brian

I know what you mean......I have some cards graded by SGC in their early start-up days that don't appear on their current POP report data.


Speaking about SGC grading, maybe you can figure this out (because I cannot). I think my Matty should warrant a "60" and my Gandil a "40" (or "50").....instead of a "60".
Both are equally off-center; and, backs are clean on both of these cards.

What's your opinion on this ?


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yab350x50x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nnbradpelt.jpg



Thanks for your consideration,

TED Z

Hi Ted,
I can't answer your questions.... But, I can tell you that PSA has been very tough on AB's for quite sometime... SGC used to be more lenient on centering, but may have changed recently.... I haven't had anything graded in quite sometime.... Be well Brian



Thanks Mike.... I bought it raw several years ago.... It's one of my favorites.

And, then there are the "Exclusive 12".......
 

It is evident that these 12 subjects from the 460-only series are considerably more available than most T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY cards. My theory is that these 12 subjects were
Triple-Printed on a sheet of their own. Such as this simulated 36-card sheet shown here.

This printing pattern is replicated for the SOVEREIGN 460 and Red HINDU cards of these 12 guys. Furthermore, these 12 subjects differ from their "cousins" in the 460-only series
with respect to other tobacco advertising backs. Therefore, I refer to them as the "Exclusive 12". For more info regarding these 12, check-out this thread............
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=163949



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psb4c9f545.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9075c421.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psb4c9f545.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9075c421.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psb4c9f545.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9075c421.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9aaa81f.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9aaa81f.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9aaa81f.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpg


TED Z

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Recently acquired a few more cards for my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 run. I am 8 cards away from completing this 74-card T206 subset
The two Seymour cards are the result of winning both simultaneously in two different auctions. I didn't want to risk loosing Seymour,
so I bid on this card in both auctions that night....figuring on getting one of them....but, to my surprise, I won both.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3d945abc.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6578a4a8.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1c2f85cf.jpg




This Frank Smith (Chicago and Boston) is one of the tougher AB 460 cards to find. I purchased this one for 2 reasons, it is an upgrade
in my set.....and, I could not pass it up since it is a double (same) name card.

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps25dfc625.jpg



Hey guys....let's see some more of your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205 or T206.


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....McGRAW (port-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....Wiltse (portrait-cap)

A recent pick up

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...ord_AB460.jpeg

Arellanes
 

My lone example

Here's my latest American Beauty

Just got this one in due to the kindness of a fellow board member. :)

http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...ps97842ddb.jpghttp://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...psc8ccc8da.jpg

A beauty !!
 

Nice card Vinny

Scott

That is a really nice AB 460 Crawford. One of the finest I've seen.


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....McGRAW (port-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....Wiltse (portrait-cap)

Thank you for the kind words Ted. I fell in love with the card when I saw it.

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Steve

Nice Arellanes AB 350 card.


Caine

Nice Ford AB 460 card.


Thanks for posting your American Beauty's.


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....McGRAW (port-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....Wiltse (portrait-cap)
.

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Vinnie

Tough AB 350 card, your Manning. Thanks for posting.


Here's its AB 460 counterpart. There are 19 subjects in the 350/460 series that were printed with both the AB 350 (no frame) back and the AB 460 back.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Manning50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nbeauty460.jpg



I will list these AMERICAN BEAUTY's in my next post here.


TED Z

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

FYI....American Litho. printed the following 19 subjects from the 350/460 series with both the AB 350 (no frame) back and the AB 460 back.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...etts460bks.jpg


Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (both hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (hand-face level)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Wagner (bat-right shoulder)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....McGRAW (port-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....Wiltse (portrait-cap)
.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...e/photo1_1.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...50%20Matty.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...size/ab350.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...0%20hummel.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ize/murphy.jpg

Thank you Ted. I love the Crawford!

Nice John.

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Hey John

Some super-sharp looking AB's....and, a great looking litho. to go with them.

Thanks for sharing them.


TED Z

Mr. McDaniel,

What is the story with the AB painting? It is really a beautiful piece.

Listed here are the 9 subjects from the 350/460 series which American Litho. printed ONLY with the AB 460 back.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nbeauty460.jpg

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Jennings (one hand)
Lajoie (bat)
Leach (bending over)
Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Doc White (pitching)



TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 cards)

CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (portrait)....JORDAN (bat)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....Wiltse (portrait-cap)
.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910096430/" title="T206 Holding Cup (American Beauty 460) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3016/2910096430_b1c23fc26c_o.jpg" width="900" height="732" alt="T206 Holding Cup (American Beauty 460)"></a>

I was checking out this old thread since I picked up this Ford AB460 last night from Sterling, and a few months back I added the Knight Batting AB350 Frame. Let's see some ABs that you guys have grabbed since this thread was last bumped!


http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9cafe891.jpghttp://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...ps56565508.jpghttp://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...psd2fed0de.jpg
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...psbbced94b.jpghttp://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1c01cfcb.jpghttp://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...psae88bc7c.jpg

This topic is for the birds, if you ask me...

T-42's need love too!

Attachment 131965

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/11190055853/" title="T206 Dark Cap (American Beauty 350) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/11190055853_5f67cc944a_b.jpg" width="900" height="728" alt="T206 Dark Cap (American Beauty 350)"></a>

Pfeffer - AB 460

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ps0087633a.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ps35b616b9.jpg

AB Black + Green

Attachment 132082

Attachment 132083

T206....Diamond (cuts) are forever
 

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Eelbach50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ulbach50xb.jpg


T-Rex TED

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

One of several AB 460 cards that I have acquired for my American Beauty 460 sub-set since this thread was last active (6/16/13)..............


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rawford25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...awford25xb.jpg



Thanks Leighton for a nice trade for this AB "toughie".


TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 5 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 cards)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
.

Just a few. Oldring is in a SGC 6 holder now.

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Here are some more AB 460 cards that I have acquired for my American Beauty 460 sub-set since this thread was last active (6/16/13)..............


.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eJordan25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...athamSGC35.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Jordan25bk.jpg

Thanks...... Rob A ...... Al C ...... Pete G ......respectively, for these three AB 460 cards (Latham is an upgrade).




TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 5 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 cards)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
.

Hey Andrew
 

Really nice collection of American Beauty's.

Thanx for showing them.


Best regards, ole buddy,

TED Z

I'll keep it going with a new pickup of mine, with a bit of a WST on the back...

Many years ago, a long-time hobby fixture in Ohio told me this. American Beauty white borders came in "8" count packets and American Beauty gold borders came in "10" count packs.

My old friend who educated me on much of these cards was a pleasant old timer named Al Clement. Al was a fixture alongside Geoff Sindelar in the early days of the outstanding Cleveland area/Strongsville Holiday Inn spring show that Fusco Auctions handles now. Well, he had the entire set minus Honus and was extremely knowledgable in those sets and their packs.

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...igpackt206.jpg


Shown above is the standard (10-cigarette) pack, circa 1910. It's my understanding that the narrower (8-cigarette) American Beauty packs were introduced
sometime in 1911. Hence, the Gold-Bordered cards (T205, T42, etc.) were more likely to be inserted in these packs; and, therefore cut thinner.

Methinks American Litho started cutting the T206's thinner in anticipation of the narrower AB packs. I have 105 T206's with AB backs....22 - AB 350 frame....
14 - AB 350 no frame....69 - AB 460.

Their widths vary all over the place. This Davy Jones is the "fattest" of my AB cards (exactly the width of a normal T206 card).


v.................... 1 7/16" .....................v

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...jones50xab.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vyJones25x.jpg



I don't claim to be an expert on cigarette packs, so any inputs regarding this topic are welcomed.


TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 5 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 cards)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
.

The significance of the T205 Black American Beauty back
 

Not many T205 black AMERICAN BEAUTY (AB) cards have been on display in this thread. However, many T205 Green AMERICAN BEAUTY cards have been posted.

T205 subjects with a black AB back are the link to "A-B-C-D" connection. A theory I posted several years ago. I have complete confidence in my A-B-C-D theory.
Check it out.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t=t205+A-B-C-D


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...genABbk25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Lobert25bx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg

American Lithographic printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with this A = B = C = D connection. The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation
is the Black AB back. Note that the T205 subjects with Green American Beauty backs will NOT be found with DRUM backs.


T205 A-B-C-D checklist......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The above 5 subjects in bold print have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. However, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


Hey guys....let's see some more T205 black American Beauty cards.


TED Z
.

I was lucky enough to come across the following "marriage" of AB items at a local Flea Market a few years back. I realize that the tin is unrelated; but the "Flea Marketeer" spun such a wonderful tale of BS that I just had to buy...

...plus he was asking $32 for the pair...

Just got my 1st American Beauty card this week.

My favorite back for both T205s and T206s
 

I have added some more "Beauties" since I posted early on in this thread.
Here are a few more favorites:


Patrick

Hi Patrick

Nice cards....especially the AB 460 Meyers. I had a tough time finding this Meyers for my AB 460 back run.

Thanks for posting them.


TED Z
.

Anyone know where at in Virginia these cigarettes were made?

Edit: A little more digging, and I found this. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=211636

AB 460 Zach Wheat
 

Great cards everyone......at this point, I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread.

This Zach Wheat card was my first AB 460. It has a certain appeal to me which motivated me to
start my AB 460 back run in 2005.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...chWheat50x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...hWheat50xb.jpg


TED Z
.

Just upgraded my Wheat AB 460...

Hey Mike

Great looking Zach, thanks for posting it.


TED Z
.

Thanks Ted, you bet.

Your collection is inspiring, amazing job.

Thanks, Mike

Not trying to compete with you, but here are the 2 highest graded cards in my American Beauty 460 run. My cards in this sub-set range from "A" to these two grades.


350/460 series

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ningsSGC60.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ingsSGC60b.jpg



460-only series

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...andilSGC60.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ndilSGC60b.jpg



TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 4 - T206 subjects to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 cards)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
.