Wheres the fbi in all this omg.

You are as right as anyone could possibly be.
This is perhaps the smartest sentence in this thread and is something that I have always thought to be true.
Everytime there is an expose of the sports autograph hobby on TV or newspaper I shudder because without any doubt we will lose future collectors because of it.
Threads like this hopefully can warn some of them before they make mistakes. And if someone thinks these threads are a waste of time, well don't read the thread.

I love these threads and have learned more about autographs on here in the last few months than I could ever learn. So, if its about a super expensive GH Ruth signed piece, or a Derek Jeter signed photo, keep exposing the forgeries and bad FDA's and "Authenticators"

Lou Gehrig Forgery Stat Authentic Ted Taylor Jeff Stevens
 

Here's another masterpiece authenticated by Stat Authentic (Ted Taylor/Jeff Stevens). What a horrible forgery!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOU-GEHRIG-B...item2eba97bcda


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everytime i see an expose on the autograph hobby, i am glad the fraudsters and forgers are caught and exposed, and if it is an authentication company, great! they already know that what they are doing is incredibly flawed, but they take no reforms or actions themselves, they are very comfortable in their warm bath water. They think they can do it forever.

the hobbys swimming pool needs to be drained, cleaned, scrubbed, disinfected and filled back up with clean, fresh water.

I don't think we will lose collectors, but i hope what happens is that collectors wont just rely on an authentication company totally out of publicity or perceived reputation, but instead do some homework, slow down and take a little time to buy an autograph instead of an impulse buy because it has an abc or xyz sticker.

If the collector base shrinks a bit, maybe prices will come down, thats okay, but i dont think there will ever be a mass exodus of collectors, especially baseball, its too popular a sport.

What is happening now is not working, its a flawed, closed circuit system that benefits some at the expense of others. look at haulsofshame. 99.99 percent of the collectors out there dont know about the christy mathewson signed 'won in the ninth' controversy, the babe ruth signed ball controversy, they need to know. when 10,000 dollar, 50,000 dollar, 100,000 dollar and up pieces get sold with an authentication sticker from abc and xyz and these companies don't acknowledge anything, don't say anything and ignore, something needs to be done. good old competition would solve it but the people making the money on the current system don't want any.

True there probably won't be a mass exodus of collectors from the baseball hobby.
But the influx we would actually like to see (if they make the prices go up, then our collections go up in value) is not taking place.
I still do nicely in my business of buying and selling autographs but find it harder to find new collectors who want to start collecting HOF autographs. The more common HOFers in my inventory now sit for a long time before they get sold.
Years ago, I would get multiple orders of HOF autographs in the $20-$50 range, it was obvious these were from newer collectors starting their HOF autograph collections. I rarely see that type of order now. Though Speaker, Young, Lajoie, Alexander, etc. still fly away quickly when I do get them in inventory.
The bottom line is new collectors are not coming into the hobby the way they used to.
Though the economy is probably a factor in that also.

We need not forget the impulse buyers who buy crap that originates from Coach's Corner with COAs from a self-proclaimed "Forensic Investigator" named Christopher Morales.

The impulse buyers make that purchase based on the fact that the COA reads "Forensic." They equate the word forensic with shows like CSI. Those same impulse buyers are equally impressed with the words court-approved.

+1

Nuggetts from the New Roach's mess..
 

Heres a few.

first, a nice blurry, Abe Lincoln HANDWRITTEN letter from the Executive mansion. ONLY w the Coaches

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot/228/abraha...from-1862.aspx

CHRIS Priddy and Ace...hmmm.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot/228/christ...tage-book.aspx

And . um. he learned to sign his name later in his playing days? Huh? And the ink dried about three months ago. COME ON

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=305209

And just on page one. THREE Marilyn's, incl a ball w JFK, and a piece signed Norma Jean.

Honestly, its disguisting, disgraceful and hopefully some day the hammer will come down on these crooks and their crooked crap fake authenticators. It really p***** me off.:mad:

Yes, Scott, another piece of garbage authenticated by Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't like" Morales. Think about the dozens of Abe Lincoln signed letters that Morales has "authenticated" over the years for Coach's Corner.

Has Morales as a "Forensic Investigator," ever asked Lee Trythall and Scott Malack where all of the vintage items he's "authenticated" originate from? Literally thousands of vintage autograph items that no one else could even dream of!!!! And that's only from Coach's Corner!!!!

And someone is going tell me that isn't a problem for the hobby!!!!! Seriously!!!!

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From the portion of the link which is visible, all I saw was "Christ..." in the description. I was guessing Scott and Lee really did it this time, and turned up a nice vintage ink 2,000 year-old signature from Jesus himself!

Alas, just another Christy Mathewson instead - what a disappointment.

I think there is probably some merit to the argument that few, if any, go to Coaches Corner and unknowingly get fleeced. You'd have to be brain dead to look at that array of items and not be highly suspicious.

BUT, the issue is that the people who do buy at CC then flip these items in a less suspicious setting. Whether it's the quaint Mom & Pop second hand shop or Billy Bob's Good Ol' Boy Local Auction, eventually these items find their way to someone who is truly duped by the presumably honest seller and the "paperwork" that certifies it.

Coaches Corner is an example of hiding in plain sight. The middlemen distributors in Operation Bullpen were running around speaking in code and concerned their phones may be tapped. Coaches Corner just sits there for all to see and sells it month after month.

They sell it Steve, shovelful by shovelful.

Don't worry, Richard. We're almost there! Just a few more YouTube videos, and Coach's will be gone.

Funny David, Not LOL.

What have you done to stop the flood of forgeries? Someone puts himself out there trying to help the hobby we all love and you continue to give him s*** for it? I'd like to know why? Even if you are not on his side, how in the hell in good conscious can you keep giving him crap for it? You’re an idiot is why? Why don't you make a you tube video of you, the horse toothed jack ass alienating an entire hobby, because that's what you’re doing

It's precisely because idiots like you that think your s*** doesn't stink, that I cannot WAIT to sell my entire collection. OH YES, the old time collectors will most definitely leave. I've left once and when I hear an otherwise reasonable intelligent collector, give smack to a guy for putting his heart & sole into something, it's time to find a new hobby. I certainly respect Chris Williams & Travis Roste for their opposing view points of the authentication conundrum. You sir are just an ass, plain and simple. Never anything constructive to add, just “make fun” of what people are passionate about. I am personally tired of your crap and you really should reconsider your stance, but your reputation is what it is, a pathetic human being with NOTHING good to add to the collecting community ….NOTHING. I hope you rot and choke on all of your old Yankee stuff!!!!!

Leon, I think you should lock the thread because my eyes are hurting. I can’t see reading another word this dopey dope has to say. I’d rather shove an ice pick in my eye than to read one more word from this antagonizing Tra La La Goon D A

Don't sugarcoat it like that, Chuck. Let us know how you really feel! :D

Chuck, relax man, drink a beer or burn one or something.

On a serious note, though, if you want to laud someone for attempting to clean up the hobby, you should be thanking Peter Nash, and his Hauls of Shame. Outing those who have looted our public archives and libraries, and then sold on their spoils. Outing some serious forgeries that have infiltrated the hobby at the highest level. Outing those who have fooled "the hobby" for years, and have sold their forgeries for millions of dollars (The contents of the "Barry Halper wing" at the Hall of Fame (now thankfully removed--thanks to Nash) were purchased by MLB for nearly ten million dollars for donation to the Hall.)
In addition to publicizing these frauds, his efforts have led to quite a few of the artifacts being returned.

Now there's someone who's doing some good.

(And, please, don't bother me about his past. That's between him and Rob Lifson, and only they know what really happened. (Even if they don't agree.) I'm interested in what he's doing now--which is helping all of us, enormously.)

Fuddjcal, I agree a hundred pct. Im tired of reading this petty BS. And Ease, yo have a creepy avatar. ugh..haha

Im done contributing to this thread too. Just sick of the kid fighting BS

I have heard that Peter Nash will be doing another project after the Ruth baseballs.
He will be looking at old team baseballs.
(pow)bullseye(pow).

And he'll do a far better job of it than you ever could.

Oh, snap!

I know that Ace still goes to cardshows and does authentication for people. Has anyone thought about going and questioning him.

Snap! Was that sarcasm?
I am sure, that with Ron Kerujian working with him, he will do a better job than anyone.
I already know what they think about a certain 1927 ball.

You're a one-trick pony, Dick.

(And no, Dick. That wasn't sarcasm. That was truth.)

I want to let all Net54 members that I will not engage Mr Atkatz in another long winded thread.
I will not respond to him again in this thread.
I will continue to post about the topics that are being discussed.
I am done with childish behavior and hopefully Mr. Atkatz will be also.

Right, Richard.
Nothing childish about your poll.
Holier than thou hypocrite.

(And, once again, it's Dr. Atkatz to you. :D)

Just one more thing, Dick. Suppose my '27 ball is a forgery? So what? You keep harping on that. Is it supposed to insult me? Why? Because you were never fooled? Come on, Dick. You're really gonna have to do better than that.

Damn, Shut up please. I belong to an indy wrestling board, and over there, Id expect this petty crap. NOT here.

+1!

Peter Nash Interlude

I also think he's doing a great thing with his website these days, regardless how hard he tried to look back in the day:D

anyone notice the "t" 's in the fake letter look a lot like Babe Ruth "t"s...

Makes you wonder if this person has signed so many fake ruths that he signs all the t's that way now.

The person who might be one of the forgers of fake letters that appear in CC is probably not the same person as the one who is forging the Babe Ruth baseballs.