Here's an arrogant fan that's stuck up. I dont think a washed up BP pitcher puts up 12-8 with a 3.62 ERA. Thats better than your other three starters. We'll see next week when the Yankees beat you guys with no problem, the Yankees didnt have the most wins for no reason. Cause we can beat any team including the Tigers.

The networks have to be pulling for a Yankee-Phils world series. If it is Tampa Bay or Detroit-Arizona or Milwaukee there will be major gnashing of teeth. People are sleeping on Detroit and Milwaukee but both clubs are built for short series' so I won't be surprised if they get in the Series.

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[QUOTE=calvindog;928477]I agree with you on it evening out. But, I can't agree with you on Nova, (16-4 and if you want to play this ERA BS his ERA is a solid 3.70....I don't even see an argument other than the fact that he's a near-rookie) though considering Garcia has been slightly shaky as of late I might still consider him solid but certainly not a plus. In these short series every game is important and with Verlander going I'm not looking forward to tonight.

Easy Killer...
 

LOL!! Dude, chill out. Just having some fun. Why am I and the rest of the country not surprised a Yankee fan wrote that? By the way, the Tigers won 4 of 7 over NY this season. Look it up. :D:D:D

1 thru 6 - YES!

7 - I think BABE RUTH can answer this Best :)

I just simply Love the Game... However, being from the land of Shea, when the Met's did it, it seemed like a Double Whammy!

Funny I knew about that stat already. But that was in the beginning of the season.

WOW. Fister looked great last night. Pretty sure nova out dueled him.

hmmm, I guess it isn't going to be quite as easy as you thought.

We'll besides C.C being squeezed by the ump alot more than Verlander, it was a good game. But with that said I still believe in my team cause im a true fan and know we'll come back. Because we're the better team and it will show.
It's Not over till it's over.

Go Tigers, we got rid of that fat guy with a head smaller than his body.


Joe

Joe-The Tigers traded Valverde?

Yanks12025 the Fat Boy CC with the Small head failed, he let the little hitters kick his butt. Verlander was great and you know it. I will be at the close out game tomorrow. Yanks go Home!!!!!

Joe

I wouldn't talk smack on either side, this series is far from over.

I thought Verlander was his typical self most of the game. I particularly liked the top of the 5th when JV struck out the side on 10 pitches. He didn't retain his focus the whole game however and the Yankees came close to making him pay like few teams can.

I believe Valverde is trying to give every Detroit fan a heart attack, enough already!

Good game, all things considered, I think Detroit did out pitch and hit the Yankees today.

Joe,
Continue being cocky just like your horrible closer in Jose. And you're right the Yankees will be going home but for Game 5 and the clincher.

The series is going pretty much as I expected and wrote above. CC has not been great as of the end of the year and the Yankees' pitching is very inconsistent -- and pitching wins in the playoffs. To have their season dependent upon that POS Burnett really says it all.

I think if you go back and read your posts, you will see you are the "Cocky" one.:rolleyes:

We'll see, anything can happen, but Tigers are in the drivers seat right now.

Joe

IMO, the series ends to night, and yes Brock has been the cocky one, but it's all in good fun. :)

How am I being the cocky one? I'm defending my team, while so called Yankee fans here give no support to their team and don't believe at all. I said before game one, that the Yankees would beat Fister while Joe said he'd kill the Yankees. And I was right, Fister flaked out after acouple innings.

You guys rag on C.C, but no one mentions how good he looked in the start of game 1 before it was called. No one mentions the fact that the ump last night gave C.C. nothing, while gave Verlander alot more calls. And the people on TBS even made mention of it.

A.J did beat the Tigers earlier in the year, but the Yankees bats will come to life tonight. If Jeter didnt choke last night or the day before we could have won.

Joe,
Nice clinching game huh. I hope you had fun. I told you we were going home for Game 5.

Ahhh baseball. CC performed as per expectations, Verlander did, the rest of the Yankees' inconsistent starters did too. But then the worst of the bunch pitches 5+ innings of one run ball and completely defies every single fan and critic. Unreal.

PS -- it is kind of funny that expectations for starting pitchers are so low that a guy who pitches 5+ innings of one run ball is treated afterward like Sandy Koufax in the 65 World Series.

Hope you enjoyed the close out game...

It was kind of boring, Tigers did not show up, especially the hitters. Back to new york, more money for the networks.

Joe

I had fun, but Tigers did not show up for the game, especially the hitters. Porcello pitched pretty well though.. Game 5 will give the networks more money.

Joe

Congrats Tigers,

Well that was trash. Sadly the Tigers didn't beat the Yankees, the Yankees beat the Yankees. We had our chances but failed every single time. At least I know the Tigers wont get past the Rangers.

Also MLB really needs to do something about the Umps, cause these strike zones this whole series was horrible.

cry me a river...
 

Good night NY.....Yahtzee!!

LOL comeon, the Yankees lost because ARod makes $30 million a year and should be batting eighth and the starting pitching isn't very good. They got what they deserved.

How we had chances every inning of the game to score a bunch of runs, the score should have been 6+. But no the yankee hitters let trash pitchers become Cy Young. And it didn't help that the Ump gave better pitches to the Tigers pitchers then the Yankees(look up the strike zone comparison between before teams).

Where is the 'crying' smiley? :confused:

As a Rangers fan, it would have been great to beat the Yankees two years straight in the ALCS, but the Tigers have a good team that's fun to watch, and I really like Leland. Should be a great series.

Yankees just need to spend more - I'm sure with $30-40 million more they can get to where they need to be.

Well, Tigers had the better pitching and Yankees are going home like I said earlier. Arod is gone, and Valverde showed he is the best closer in baseball.

Bring on the Rangers they will be easier than the Yankees.

Joe

Brock - Have Some Cheese
 

To Go Along With Your Full Case Of Whine Attachment 46969





Probably used to it always watching through your pinstriped glasses hey Attachment 46970




Good News! Only 145 days till the opener

Tim Great Quote., The Yankees are old, Arod is done, Sabatha needs to lose some weight and the manager made some quick crazy moves tonight, and the catcher Martin will probably be gone in the next few years. Not good.

Joe

I'm happy with the outcome, but it was far from a perfect series for either team. I hope the Tigers can gather themselves a bit before Saturday. Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister provided some solid pitching together with some critical offense from unlikely players. These were the keys to slipping past a Yankee team that missed out on some big opportunities in their 3 losses. I watched every pitch and don't share the same feelings as Brock on the strike zone. IMO, it was different game-to-game but applied equally to both teams.

Joe Maples, don't be jinxing the Tigers.

I'm off to Dallas to hopefully enjoy U Texas, OU game early and Tigers, Rangers late.

Congrats to all the teams that made it to post season play, the winners and losers.

Congratulations to all the Tiger fans and good luck against the Rangers. I was at the game and the lack of clutch hitting by the Yankees was really disappointing. Joe-I think youy are right on about A-Rod and Sabathia. I think Swisher will be gone next year also. The only bright spot was that Posada went out with a good final series.

Jay, I couldn't agree more with Posada. Nice guy, great series. There were several Yankees that performed above expectations. I was uneasy every time Gardner and Cano stepped into the batter box. Granderson played hard as well, he was my favorite position player before he decided to wear pin stripes. When the Yankees aren't playing the Tigers, I silently root for him.

I'm just glad cumulative runs scored doesn't determine the series winner. NY blasted the Tigers in games 1 & 4. But the Tigers found a way to hold onto 3 close ones.

Problem with the Yankees is their core players are getting old and nearing the ends of their careers. Sure, the team will throw a $100 million or so at some overpriced free agents, but it's likely they are beginning a period of mediocrity. Jeter, A-Rod, Mariano, Posada, among others, really can't be replaced.

I always hate when fans from the losing team whine about the refs or the umps.
Take the loss like a grown up and move on.

The Tigers won the series like many people who were not wearing Yankees goggles, thought they would. It was an exciting game last night. Seemed like the game was on the line with every pitch, especially those last three innings.

Great entertainment. I really think the Tigers are spent. The Rangers should be going back to the World Series for the 2nd year in a row. Pulling for the hometown boy Josh Hamilton.

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Hey Tim, My karma ran over your dogma...


Cmon April!

Hamilton!
 

Great entertainment. I really think the Tigers are spent. The Rangers should be going back to the World Series for the 2nd year in a row. Pulling for the hometown boy Josh Hamilton.[/QUOTE]

I hope Hamilton gets a ring! He deserves it.

AL East
 

And just like that...

The AL East is gone...

The Beauty of Baseball
 

The beauty of baseball... Doug Fister, Delmon Young and Don Kelly were all deemed expendable at various times this year by various teams... but they were clutch on Thursday night. Go Tigers!

It's not whining when there's proof to prove that the strike zones were different for each team. Half the time the Tigers pitchers got the outside corner, while the Yankees could only get a strike down the middle. Look up the charts, look at how the players acted because of the bad zones and even TBS made comments.

The Yankees didn't lose because of the umps. They lost because their starting pitching is mediocre as has been their ace the past month of the season. They lost because they've got a zillion dollars tied up in ARod who is actually probably worth about $5 million a year instead of $30 million -- and they're stuck with that albatross of a contract for another six years. Brett Gardner is worth more than ARod right now. They lost because they've overpaid Jeter going forward. They've got a handful of solid players and a few fantastic ones. They got what they deserved and any dispassionate observer could have seen this coming in this series.

They lost because they didn't score runs! Looking forward to next year anyway, hopefully we get rid of Swisher and stuff.

The Tigers really must be breathing a sigh of relief this morning. Yankees had lots of chances and the game just seemed to have the feel that the Yanks were going to eventually break through but they never did. I really thought A-Rod was going to get a hit when the bases were loaded.

Three cheers for Jorge Posada in this series and last night. He's a class guy and played well.

It's human element. Besides, I thought Benoit had quite a few pitches that didn't go his way when he got into trouble. They sure weren't giving him the outside corner. Sorry Brock, but each time your team lost you complained about the strike zone. To me, that is whining.

I know you may not want to admit this, but the Tigers were the better team. The better team won.

I am one of those people that believe officiating any kind of game is such a thankless job. You are always going to have someone upset with you.

My favorite team is the Mariners and my second favorite team is... whoever plays the Yankees. At least I have something to be happy about this year. It was good to see Doug Fister go to a contender halfway through this year. It is not that the Mariners thought he was expendable, they wanted him, but they needed the pieces they got more than they needed another low ERA pitcher on a team that cant hit.

How great would it be for baseball to have the Brewers, D Backs, Rangers, and Tigers fighting for the World Series:). Good ole Bud Selig would be happy about one of them I guess!

I get most of the post but why even bring up the pitching? Detroit scored 17 runs the whole series.

The pitching staff performed admirably and Girardi made the right decisions handling them at every turn of the series. The starting staff actually had a lower ERA for the season then a Yankee staff has had in a very, very long time. Impressive considering the bandbox they moved into.

Their stuff was not as electric as some of the Tigers pitchers, but they held their own.

They just didn't get the hits when they needed to. Jeter is a tad slower with the bat then he used to be, and the power guys A-Rod and Texiera are not exactly known for tearing it up in the postseason.

BTW, anybody else think Cano hit the ball right on the sweet spot when he broke his bat against Valverde in the last inning? One of the oddest broken bats I've seen and a ball that might have gone a long way if the bat didn't give out. Makes me wonder if the bat had a crack in it already, that Cano didn't notice earlier.

I was thinking the same thing with the Cano AB. He seemed to hit it right on the sweet spot.

I think Barry hit it right on the "sweet spot" in regards to the Yankees. Many of their core players are at the tail end of their careers. Even a guy like Teixeira, who I don't think is over the hill by any means, has been in the league for 10 or 11 years.

The pitching staff could see some serious trouble with their current age.

Hi Joe G. Hope your Old Judge collection is growing. I am in the minority, don't believe in Jinxes. ;) That trip to Dallas sounds great, enjoy.

The yankees are only going to get Younger for next year. A.J wont be back, Posada is going to retire, Swisher can leave. . Yankees will sign Yu Darvish, Montero will be in the line-up full-time, Nova will be a starter, same as Hughes. I'm not sure yet that i even would want the Yankees to sign C.C back cause he's choked in the last two playoffs. So I'm thinking, 1. Yu Darvish, 2. C.C 3. Nova, 4. Hughes, 5. Either sign C.J. Wilson or another one of our young arms.

Sabathia's problem is he is carrying far too much weight. He was having a fine season until fatigue set in. If he shed 20-30 pounds, he would have had a better September and October.

Yu Darvish???? Please take Dice-k at a discount.

Rawn

The track record of Japanese pitchers translating (no pun intended) to the big leagues is not too good. It seems as if the best only have a couple year shelflife.

I think the Yankees just have too much money tied up in crap. Posada at a discounted rate as a fulltime DH isn't such a bad idea. But ARod? CC? Jeter? No good. Pitching wins in the playoffs and Nova might be their only 'decent' pitcher (other than CC). Hughes is shot. With the old position players and weak starting pitching they're not fixable in one year.

Nick- Delmon Young was considered expendable by the Twins because they have an imbecile for a General Manager named Bill Smith who is a disgrace. They got the typical bag of rocks for Young, much like the bag of rocks they got for Johann Santana and the bag of rocks they got for JJ Hardy who hit 30+HRs this year. No wonder they lost 99 games this year.
But, I was glad to see Delmon hit the ball so well.
tbob
P.S. Fister was a steal, the Twins passed on him (see above paragraph).

Joe G.- sounds like a great trip! Everyone needs to enjoy the color and atmosphere of an OU-Texas Red River Shootout but unfortunately Texas is the most overrated team in college football this year so it could get one-sided. Still a fun trip. Have fun cheering on the Tigers, I picked them to win it all this year and they have cleared the first hurdle.
tbob

Hughes is shot!!! :confused: Thats pretty funny, sure looked good yesterday. And they are fixable in one year. I sure hope your not a Yankee fan, cause if so your a horrible fan. And we dont know yet whether C.C is coming back, he can opt out.

I'm not a Yankee fan but if I was I'd say the same thing because I'm capable of being objective. And yes, Hughes is shot. I guess we should go on the few outs he got yesterday instead of the entire season. As for your predictive abilities, everything I said about this series came to fruition and everything you said was wrong. Stick with me -- Phil Hughes is not considered the fix to the Yankees' starting pitching problems.

Jeff-I don't think there is that much to fix with the Yankees, although they do not require some fixing. Even with the underachieving squad of this season they were probably one good starter away from the ALCS and possibly the world series. If they had been able to sign Cliff Lee we might be having a different discussion now. Are they getting old-absolutely. Jeter and Mariano will more likely than not be worse next year. Arod may or may not be given his injury plagued season this year. He will never be the old Arod (do we even know what the old Arod would have been with the Yankees without the juice?) but with a good off season conditioning program he could be better than this year. Granderson will have a hard time matching this season's numbers but Gardner, Cano and Martin should match or exceed them. Teixeira has a shot at posting better numbers next year, certainly in batting average. If he would only learn to bunt and just occasionally lay one down third he could add thirty points to his average(18 more hits a year based on 600 ABs) and get teams to stop shifting on him. Add to this that they will have Montero for a full season and they really don't look bad in terms of every day players. I would like to see them get a new RF. Swisher is certainly good enough during the regular season but his post season stats make Arod look like a post season superstar. The Yankees have one of the best or the best bullpen in the AL so no issue there. Where they are really weak, as you correctly pointed out, is their starting pitching. They need to get Sabathia back and hopefully back in better shape. Nova has a lot of promise going forward and I am optimistic about Hughes. However, I see these two no better than number three starters. Therefore, I think their most pressing need is a top drawer starter (they grow on trees, don't they?). However, with Posada's contract gone(I would not resign him) and hopefully Swisher gone, there will be some extra money and I would go big for the right guy either via FA signing or trade.

You're Right, tbob
 

You're right, tbob. My boss is a huge Twins fan and he laments some of the moves that the Twins GM has made in recent years. Hey, the Tigers will gladly take "castoffs" like Delmon any time.

All is well with the world, the mighty Yankees have struck out.

The AL EAST ( AL least) have both teams already eliminated.

That final strike to AROD was greeted with cheers and tears last night by 3 generations of Tiger fans at my house last night.

Go Tigers !

If I had to guess whether or not the Yankees will be better or worse in 2012, I would say worse. Sure, they are going to court some high priced free agents in the off season but they will add one or two at most. In the meantime, Posada will retire, Jeter will turn 38, Mariano will turn 42 next month, A-Rod looks shot and his body may in fact be breaking down, Hughes looks shaky at best, Sabathia will not last long if he doesn't get in shape (he does have a healthy arm), and Granderson had a career year which he may not be able to duplicate. And the starting pitching is average at best. This could easily be the beginning of a decline for the team, unless they have a reservoir of talent in the minors, or they can make some incredible free agent acquisitions.

And how much money does A-Rod have left on his contract? I believe over $100 million. That's quite a bit for a player whose productivity is way down.

Barry-The whole Yankee model is that if they are a contender/champion they will draw fans, bring eyeballs to the YES network and sell lots of memorabilia. Arods contract and then some is already paid for out of this projected revenue stream. The only thing that can derail this is if they become less competitive and you have a Mets situation where attendance drops, ticket prices are cut, and you get into a revenue death spiral. They will pay/spend what it takes to stay at the top because if they are not at the top then they are at the bottom, there is no middle for them.

Everybody's bagging on Swisher like he's a stiff. He may not be clutch in the postseason in the chances he's gotten so far, but he led the team in OBP for the season and played a solid right field.

I don't think it's as easy to replace a guy like that as everybody is suggesting.

He's also a great clubhouse guy. Yea, I know the Sabremetric guys don't think intangibles like that even exist, simply because they can't assign a number to it. I think it has merit.

Jay- I understand what you're saying but there are two things going on here. As far as a business model, they are extremely successful. They have the second most valuable franchise in major league sports and an incredible revenue stream. But if they team is falling out of contention late in the season, it's no consolation to the fans that their bills are paid. They want to see a winner on the field, and that is a question mark.

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Dave, I agree re Swisher.

Jay, I agree that Cliff Lee on this team certainly would have gotten them past Detroit. But a championship? I don't think so.

And Barry, I obviously agree re next year. Too many holes, too much money invested in old, diminishing players. They may be starting a decline. Problem is, who will fill their void? No one else has their money!

we had the $100,000 infield with the philly a's...will we see a $100 million infield with the yankees?

don't worry yankees fans...if fat cc leaves and you got no pitching just throw 200mil at fat prince fielder and move the rf fence in another 50 feet. problem solved.

Jeff-I meant getting to the ALCS or World Series, not winning it. I would have thought that the Phillies were a lock for that but they are skating on thin ice with the Cards. Carpenter can easily throw a shutout.

Prince isn't fat, he's big celled.

I wasnt wrong about everything. I said we would go top game 5 and we did.

But I think its funny how people are saying Mo will be a problem next year. The guy is 41 and posted a 1.91 ERA with 44 saves. I think those stats wont change too much next year. Jeter still batted in the .290's. With Posada gone, I'm not worried about age that much.

Also i guess you guys dont know that the Yankees have like 3 top starters in the minors almost ready to be brought up.

I hope so! We (St. Louis) are probably gonna need it against Halliday. My nerves are starting to rattle...

Jay, I wish you were right about Carpenter but Halladay in Philly? Good luck with that!

Brock, minor league pitchers are minor league pitchers. Maybe one will be in the rotation next year. And you were deadly wrong about the Yankees' starting pitching which did them in. Nova was inconsistent, CC was worse than Verlander, etc. The Yankees just aren't there. What happens next year when ARod has another bad year? And Jeter continues to not be the star he once was? As for Mo, I agree with you -- the dude is still stellar. I think he's got at least one more good year in him, maybe two. He's a freak and I think he'll retire with 700 saves.

A-rod could have a lot better season next year. He was injured this year and could get healthy once again.

Calvin,

Your making it sound like the Tigers pitching was 100 times better than the Yankees and that they threw shut-outs every game. Verlander wasn't that great like he was in the regular season, nor was fister. So don't make it sound like the Yankees rotation was horrible when they weren't that bad.

Who said they were 100x better? I just said they were better -- and I was right. Which is why they won.

Or his body is starting to wear down which is typical of someone his age.

El Birdos!!!!!!!!!
Could this be shades of 1968, Cards and Tigers?
Forget the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, etc.
These ALDS games were fantastic and I hope the ALCS series' will be just as good.

If you're a Yankee fan, tonight's result has to take some of the sting out LOLOL. Unreal that the Phillies lost in the first round. Justice is served by the baseball gods.